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The Science Behind No-Fap

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Hey guys,

So I was doing a heavy amount of research on the recovery process and I noticed that there was a tremendous amount of misinformation on here about the recovery process.

I'm not the type of person to get motivated behind something unless there's some legitimate science backing it up, so I decided to provide some "facts" behind NoFap in order to help others out.

I put quotation marks around facts because at the end of the day the human body is VERY complicated, and they don't call the brain "the most complicated object in the universe" just for the lulz.

If you have any corrections to add be sure to let me know so I can update this.

"FACT" #1: Fapping causes increase levels of Prolactin which decreases the production of testosterone. This means that you'll end up with more estrogen in your body (i.e. you'll have an increase likelihood of having man boobs). Less testosterone = LESS sex drive (libido), less bone mass more fat distribution, less muscle mass and strength, and less production of red blood cells and sperm
"FACT" #2: Fapping leads to the accumulation of DeltaPhos-B, this means that because you've injected your brain with "EXTREME" levels of dopamine (2-10 times more than you would of gotten from sex or food), your brain has responded with this protein to ease the pressure off your reward circuit. In doing so the build up of this protein makes you hypersensitive to porn and makes everything else seem significantly less exciting. This is going to take on average 56 days to resolve (give or take).
"FACT" #3: Anhedonia: This is something I don't see covered on here too often (which is critically important). anhedonia is also called the "silent depression" because mostly people dont realize its a form of depression. You will feel EMOTIONALLY NUMB, I'm currently going through this right now and its god awful. Now this may not apply to everyone, but this certainly has f****d me up personally. It's a very common withdrawal symptom of alcoholics, marijuana users, and Cocaine. DAMAGED DOPAMINE RECEPTORS is the cause of this. I cant even look people in the eye anymore!!
"FACT" #4: Say goodbye to Serotonin, Dopamine, and MORE: You can pretty much say goodbye to VIRTUALLY ALL of the positive hormones in your body. This is because hormones such as dopamine and serotonin are NEURO-TRANSMITTERS. in other-words they travel from YOUR BRAIN to your body using neural pathways (and you remember what happened to those, right?). Serotonin plays a critical role in REGULATING YOUR EMOTIONS.
"FACT" #5: NoFap is NOT a 90 day magic cure: Dopamine transporters and neural pathways DO NOT magically regrow in 90 days. Can you make significant progress in 90 days? Absolutely. But its dangerous to say to people that 90 days will fix all their addiction related problems. Research indicates that it takes at least 6 months to 1 year for dopamine receptors (as we as neural networks that carry serotonin) to fully regrow.

I can add alot more to this, but some of the other stuff is based on different drugs so I wanna do my best to abstain from diluting my findings. But remember, regardless if its cocaine, ecstasy, marijuana, or alcohol, ALL ADDICTIONS SHARE THE SAME MOLECULAR SWITCH: DELTAPHOS-B. The only difference is the protein's degree of influence (as well as the hormones involved and the potency of the drug).-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------WHAT TO EXPECT:

  • Grumpiness – Every little thing will irritate you. For me, I became extremely cynical about everything around me.
  • Mood swings – As your brain tries to rebalance itself, you’ll feel like a teenage girl having her first period… Happy one minute and on the verge of tears the next. Seriously.
  • Headaches – I didn’t ever experience intense migraines like some men report, but I did get subtle pressure headaches that lasted for hours at a time.
  • Anxiety – Some men have legitimate panic attacks, but I experienced this more as a general feeling of stress. From the first three days for the next three months, I always felt like I had way too much to do.
  • Pornographic Thoughts – Temptation during the first week is extremely intense. This is because your last pornographic experience is still fresh on your mind.
  • Zombie-like State – Because your brain has been deprived of its regular Dopamine highs, it’s common for abstainers to enter a sluggish, zombie-like state. Expect low energy levels to last anywhere from two weeks to two months.
  • Unable to Focus – I could not work efficiently in the first few weeks after I quit. The constant fatigue somehow made me feel restless, and things that normally took 30 minutes were now taking an hour. I had no motivation and no focus.
  • Social Awkwardness – It’s hard to accurately describe this symptom, but many men echoed that they felt awkward or exposed in social settings. It feels like you constantly have your foot in your mouth.
  • Low Sex Drive – You might expect your sex drive to be bursting at the seams after going without porn for a week or two, but many men report the exact opposite. Although porn will still ignite temptation when you think about it, any other sexual activity may not sound appealing while your brain reboots.
  • Loneliness – Single men especially will have trouble with this one. You’ll experience loneliness, and you’ll want to escape it with porn. Don’t give in!

Pics below are from Cocaine users, although the potency of the drug may differ, the effect is STILL THE SAME.

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SOME REFERENCES I USED:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ltaFosB_and_c-Fos_expression_in_rats_and_mice
https://neuroscience.mssm.edu/nestler/deltaFosB.html
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2014.00297/full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2970635/
https://husbandhelphaven.com/porn-addiction-withdrawal-walkthrough/
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/health-complications-addiction/chemical-imbalance
 
Less testosterone = LESS sex drive (libido)
YES, this is the key to my killing me drive.

I'm going to fap till i can't no more.

Then i'll be permanently free from this cycle of lust.

High sex drives are seen as a good thing, but incels with too much T are the worst of all sufferers.

Th lack of sex only makes them unhappier.

Fapping leads to the accumulation of DeltaPhos-B, this means that because you've injected your brain with "EXTREME" levels of dopamine (2-10 times more than you would of gotten from sex or food)
YES YES YES, looks like fapping is much more pleasurable than sex.

I'm better off alone, i'm never going to complain about my inceldom anymore.

"2-10 times more dopamine than SEX or food!?!" that sounds lovely, gonna hop back to fapping. Better than escortceling or ONS/FWB.

Serotonin plays a critical role in REGULATING YOUR EMOTIONS.

Idgaf about that because i already killed my emotions through gore so I always feel neutral and never surprised. Perfect.

WHAT TO EXPECT:

  • Grumpiness – Every little thing will irritate you. For me, I became extremely cynical about everything around me.
  • Mood swings – As your brain tries to rebalance itself, you’ll feel like a teenage girl having her first period… Happy one minute and on the verge of tears the next. Seriously.
  • Headaches – I didn’t ever experience intense migraines like some men report, but I did get subtle pressure headaches that lasted for hours at a time.
  • Anxiety – Some men have legitimate panic attacks, but I experienced this more as a general feeling of stress. From the first three days for the next three months, I always felt like I had way too much to do.
  • Pornographic Thoughts – Temptation during the first week is extremely intense. This is because your last pornographic experience is still fresh on your mind.
  • Zombie-like State – Because your brain has been deprived of its regular Dopamine highs, it’s common for abstainers to enter a sluggish, zombie-like state. Expect low energy levels to last anywhere from two weeks to two months.
  • Unable to Focus – I could not work efficiently in the first few weeks after I quit. The constant fatigue somehow made me feel restless, and things that normally took 30 minutes were now taking an hour. I had no motivation and no focus.
  • Social Awkwardness – It’s hard to accurately describe this symptom, but many men echoed that they felt awkward or exposed in social settings. It feels like you constantly have your foot in your mouth.
  • Low Sex Drive – You might expect your sex drive to be bursting at the seams after going without porn for a week or two, but many men report the exact opposite. Although porn will still ignite temptation when you think about it, any other sexual activity may not sound appealing while your brain reboots.
  • Loneliness – Single men especially will have trouble with this one. You’ll experience loneliness, and you’ll want to escape it with porn. Don’t give in!
  • I'm mentally chill and patient.
  • I never felt like a teenage girl, happy one minute and sad, the next. I'm always neutral and dead inside ngl.
  • I never experienced headaches since the past 2 years.
  • I never had any sort of panic attack, if something goes wrong, it is what it is.
  • I was never highly tempted even after 2 weeks of nofap.
  • My energy levels skyrocket, i became more productive since i ever started fapping.
  • My focus improved, I got better grades since yr 9. I can sit down for 2 hours and study constantly.
  • I've never felt awkward. Instead became for aware and cautious of my actions. It helped me avoid doing crazy, embarrassing low inhib shit.
  • Incels fap cause they can't have sex. You tell me whose problem it is. Hypergamous women who don't date their looksmatch or good men just desiring sex, their basic need? After reading your post, fapping sounds much more fun than sex. twice - 10 times the amount of dopamine is much better.
  • Loneliness is caused because men who resort to fapping don't get women as a result of their looks. A guy can fap and have sex with his partner and never feel lonely. Or much worse, he can be in a abstinent relationship with a woman and not have sex, but he can fap endlessly and never feel lonely.

From this it makes it clear that nofap is only good for -

(a) quitting a severe porn addiction ( if you are running out of data or just waste time on it).

AND

(b) reducing the frequency of masturbation (if you want to focus on other things or have a busy week).




Other than that, there are NO other benefits to nofap.


Nofap is definitely appearing to be as a massive cope now.
You convinced me to fap more OP. Thanks.
 
YES, this is the key to my killing me drive.

I'm going to fap till i can't no more.

Then i'll be permanently free from this cycle of lust.

High sex drives are seen as a good thing, but incels with too much T are the worst of all sufferers.

Th lack of sex only makes them unhappier.


YES YES YES, looks like fapping is much more pleasurable than sex.

I'm better off alone, i'm never going to complain about my inceldom anymore.

"2-10 times more dopamine than SEX or food!?!" that sounds lovely, gonna hop back to fapping. Better than escortceling or ONS/FWB.



Idgaf about that because i already killed my emotions through gore so I always feel neutral and never surprised. Perfect.


  • I'm mentally chill and patient.
  • I never felt like a teenage girl, happy one minute and sad, the next. I'm always neutral and dead inside ngl.
  • I never experienced headaches since the past 2 years.
  • I never had any sort of panic attack, if something goes wrong, it is what it is.
  • I was never highly tempted even after 2 weeks of nofap.
  • My energy levels skyrocket, i became more productive since i ever started fapping.
  • My focus improved, I got better grades since yr 9. I can sit down for 2 hours and study constantly.
  • I've never felt awkward. Instead became for aware and cautious of my actions. It helped me avoid doing crazy, embarrassing low inhib shit.
  • Incels fap cause they can't have sex. You tell me whose problem it is. Hypergamous women who don't date their looksmatch or good men just desiring sex, their basic need? After reading your post, fapping sounds much more fun than sex. twice - 10 times the amount of dopamine is much better.
  • Loneliness is caused because men who resort to fapping don't get women as a result of their looks. A guy can fap and have sex with his partner and never feel lonely. Or much worse, he can be in a abstinent relationship with a woman and not have sex, but he can fap endlessly and never feel lonely.

From this it makes it clear that nofap is only good for -

(a) quitting a severe porn addiction ( if you are running out of data or just waste time on it).

AND

(b) reducing the frequency of masturbation (if you want to focus on other things or have a busy week).




Other than that, there are NO other benefits to nofap.


Nofap is definitely appearing to be as a massive cope now.
You convinced me to fap more OP. Thanks.
just lol if you think anyone thats not dementes will read all that
 
Hey guys,

So I was doing a heavy amount of research on the recovery process and I noticed that there was a tremendous amount of misinformation on here about the recovery process.

I'm not the type of person to get motivated behind something unless there's some legitimate science backing it up, so I decided to provide some "facts" behind NoFap in order to help others out.

I put quotation marks around facts because at the end of the day the human body is VERY complicated, and they don't call the brain "the most complicated object in the universe" just for the lulz.

If you have any corrections to add be sure to let me know so I can update this.

"FACT" #1: Fapping causes increase levels of Prolactin which decreases the production of testosterone. This means that you'll end up with more estrogen in your body (i.e. you'll have an increase likelihood of having man boobs). Less testosterone = LESS sex drive (libido), less bone mass more fat distribution, less muscle mass and strength, and less production of red blood cells and sperm
"FACT" #2: Fapping leads to the accumulation of DeltaPhos-B, this means that because you've injected your brain with "EXTREME" levels of dopamine (2-10 times more than you would of gotten from sex or food), your brain has responded with this protein to ease the pressure off your reward circuit. In doing so the build up of this protein makes you hypersensitive to porn and makes everything else seem significantly less exciting. This is going to take on average 56 days to resolve (give or take).
"FACT" #3: Anhedonia: This is something I don't see covered on here too often (which is critically important). anhedonia is also called the "silent depression" because mostly people dont realize its a form of depression. You will feel EMOTIONALLY NUMB, I'm currently going through this right now and its god awful. Now this may not apply to everyone, but this certainly has f****d me up personally. It's a very common withdrawal symptom of alcoholics, marijuana users, and Cocaine. DAMAGED DOPAMINE RECEPTORS is the cause of this. I cant even look people in the eye anymore!!
"FACT" #4: Say goodbye to Serotonin, Dopamine, and MORE: You can pretty much say goodbye to VIRTUALLY ALL of the positive hormones in your body. This is because hormones such as dopamine and serotonin are NEURO-TRANSMITTERS. in other-words they travel from YOUR BRAIN to your body using neural pathways (and you remember what happened to those, right?). Serotonin plays a critical role in REGULATING YOUR EMOTIONS.
"FACT" #5: NoFap is NOT a 90 day magic cure: Dopamine transporters and neural pathways DO NOT magically regrow in 90 days. Can you make significant progress in 90 days? Absolutely. But its dangerous to say to people that 90 days will fix all their addiction related problems. Research indicates that it takes at least 6 months to 1 year for dopamine receptors (as we as neural networks that carry serotonin) to fully regrow.

I can add alot more to this, but some of the other stuff is based on different drugs so I wanna do my best to abstain from diluting my findings. But remember, regardless if its cocaine, ecstasy, marijuana, or alcohol, ALL ADDICTIONS SHARE THE SAME MOLECULAR SWITCH: DELTAPHOS-B. The only difference is the protein's degree of influence (as well as the hormones involved and the potency of the drug).-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------WHAT TO EXPECT:

  • Grumpiness – Every little thing will irritate you. For me, I became extremely cynical about everything around me.
  • Mood swings – As your brain tries to rebalance itself, you’ll feel like a teenage girl having her first period… Happy one minute and on the verge of tears the next. Seriously.
  • Headaches – I didn’t ever experience intense migraines like some men report, but I did get subtle pressure headaches that lasted for hours at a time.
  • Anxiety – Some men have legitimate panic attacks, but I experienced this more as a general feeling of stress. From the first three days for the next three months, I always felt like I had way too much to do.
  • Pornographic Thoughts – Temptation during the first week is extremely intense. This is because your last pornographic experience is still fresh on your mind.
  • Zombie-like State – Because your brain has been deprived of its regular Dopamine highs, it’s common for abstainers to enter a sluggish, zombie-like state. Expect low energy levels to last anywhere from two weeks to two months.
  • Unable to Focus – I could not work efficiently in the first few weeks after I quit. The constant fatigue somehow made me feel restless, and things that normally took 30 minutes were now taking an hour. I had no motivation and no focus.
  • Social Awkwardness – It’s hard to accurately describe this symptom, but many men echoed that they felt awkward or exposed in social settings. It feels like you constantly have your foot in your mouth.
  • Low Sex Drive – You might expect your sex drive to be bursting at the seams after going without porn for a week or two, but many men report the exact opposite. Although porn will still ignite temptation when you think about it, any other sexual activity may not sound appealing while your brain reboots.
  • Loneliness – Single men especially will have trouble with this one. You’ll experience loneliness, and you’ll want to escape it with porn. Don’t give in!

Pics below are from Cocaine users, although the potency of the drug may differ, the effect is STILL THE SAME.

Post image

Post image
SOME REFERENCES I USED:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ltaFosB_and_c-Fos_expression_in_rats_and_mice
https://neuroscience.mssm.edu/nestler/deltaFosB.html
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2014.00297/full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2970635/
https://husbandhelphaven.com/porn-addiction-withdrawal-walkthrough/
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/health-complications-addiction/chemical-imbalance
You put effort into this thread son!
But I'm afraid the negative effects are well overrated.
Also the comparison to cocaine addicts brain is like comparing apples to oranges.

I'll explain why.
Imagine chad who get dopamine rush everyday by getting validated by friends and females.
By your logic his neurotransmitters should be defunct and his serotonan lvls should have crashed.
Also he must be floating in estrogen
But as we all know that is just not the case.

The moral of this thread is moderation. If you have a busy day you wont struggle with fapping. Work hard thru the day andget good sleep. No need for nofap.

Fapping only becomes an issue if you are fapping 4+ times a day.
Once or twice a day the changes will be negligible
 
You're just telling yourself that to make yourself feel better.
Feel better about what?
Idc if I fap 0 times or 5 times
I only worry about things that have an actual impact.
 
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- if T were to go down, E would also go down. How did you come to the conclusion it could lower T and increase E? does it make you grow ovaries?

- in case you din know, estrogen is the hormone that increases libido. every single experimental study i read showed no signicicant changes in T, and its also well known estrogen inhibits prolactin, so we could make a guess that, if anything, fapping would be antiestrogenic

- prolactin has ironically been shown to increase T by an average of 100ng/dl from not such large increases, tho idk how it compares to the one from fapping

- fosb is increased when you have sex, when you eat any food you like, etc, and afaik it has no neg effects, so what tgw f**k is ur point?

- indeed as compares with something like T, the more Dopamine u have, the less affinity and recept expression, so just fap when youre horny maybe? jfl
 
It's still good of you to do nofap, bro.

All I'm saying that, if you're heavily addicted to fapping and/or have a porn addiction, you should do nofap for a normal lifestyle and not become a coomer.

It's pretty much a fact that T levels are at their peak after 7 days of not relapsing.

The thing is that, I hope you don't fall into the pseudoscience of nofap like "you start attracting girls, muh masc energy, etc.". It's clear that in order to get girls you need to be gl. A subhuman incel cannot just start attracting girls randomly if you just stops touching himself all of a sudden.
 
It's still good of you to do nofap, bro.

All I'm saying that, if you're heavily addicted to fapping and/or have a porn addiction, you should do nofap for a normal lifestyle and not become a coomer.

It's pretty much a fact that T levels are at their peak after 7 days of not relapsing.

The thing is that, I hope you don't fall into the pseudoscience of nofap like "you start attracting girls, muh masc energy, etc.". It's clear that in order to get girls you need to be gl. A subhuman incel cannot just start attracting girls randomly if you just stops touching himself all of a sudden.
peak by 50ng/dl jfl.
 
It's still good of you to do nofap, bro.

All I'm saying that, if you're heavily addicted to fapping and/or have a porn addiction, you should do nofap for a normal lifestyle and not become a coomer.

It's pretty much a fact that T levels are at their peak after 7 days of not relapsing.

The thing is that, I hope you don't fall into the pseudoscience of nofap like "you start attracting girls, muh masc energy, etc.". It's clear that in order to get girls you need to be gl. A subhuman incel cannot just start attracting girls randomly if you just stops touching himself all of a sudden.
I will never understand how fapping is "spiritual destruction" according to bible, like i'm not going to cheat afterwards, and it's best cope if you can't get in relationship with women
 
I will never understand how fapping is "spiritual destruction" according to bible, like i'm not going to cheat afterwards, and it's best cope if you can't get in relationship with women
Masturbation is a sin if you accompany it with lust (like pornography/or even dreaming about a chick with lust who isn't your spouse apparently) and make it a habit (like fapping frequently every day and relying on fapping). Ofc an addiction to it is a sin too cause it is a temptation of the flesh, lured towards by the adversary. Plus it's fornication/adultery to lust after someone who you aren't married to.
 
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It's still good of you to do nofap, bro.

All I'm saying that, if you're heavily addicted to fapping and/or have a porn addiction, you should do nofap for a normal lifestyle and not become a coomer.

It's pretty much a fact that T levels are at their peak after 7 days of not relapsing.

The thing is that, I hope you don't fall into the pseudoscience of nofap like "you start attracting girls, muh masc energy, etc.". It's clear that in order to get girls you need to be gl. A subhuman incel cannot just start attracting girls randomly if you just stops touching himself all of a sudden.
I still think nofap is still misunderstood and believe there are more benefits that come with abstinence

I do think there is truth to what ur saying tho @john
 
This whole thread seems like a bunch of psuedoness.

Just for laughs I will tell you the real way to achieve no fap.

Well today I had a lesbian porn fantasy so I went to watch some lesbian porn. But when I watched it I had a mild limp erection and didn't feel any need to masturbate, the porn was boring to me.

The acting felt fake, the entire porn felt staged. I did not feel any empathy for anyone in the porns, at most I felt mild jealousy towards them. It felt like they had been born in tutorial mode, automatically lesbians at birth meanwhile I have to get multiple surgeries and inject myself continuously with chemicals like Bane in order to even have a chance at not being rejected.

For example, in a good cinematic film you have a hero's journey, where the hero struggles through hardship so you can empathize with the characters. But porn is basically none of that, you are presented with characters you cannot relate to who are born on tutorial mode. The only reason people watch porn is because of two things... anabolic hormones, and lack of the blackpill.

So if you want to go no fap them be like me, being low t helps.

Comedy Platinum medal goes to this next quote, for being the biggest bunch of rubbish in the thread:
"YES YES YES, looks like fapping is much more pleasurable than sex.

I'm better off alone, i'm never going to complain about my inceldom anymore."

By that logic, endless scrolling through social media is better than real life... because dopamine I guess? Uh... no.
 

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