I think not sure but I think needs lifemaxxing and social maxing tbh I see guys who should easily be creepsincels talk to girls on a daily tb fair most of those incel low teirs are 6ft2+ but still it's brtual tbh. I mean the either day this 16 yo guy my friend said to my face your ugly that's probably why she thought you were creppy. And I'm supposed to be mtn range, makes me question tbh.