and i'm talking real sub 5 ugly like even makeup can't save , because lets be real a sub 5 woman will never get with a guy that she's attracted to herself , and the thing is women's value rely entirely on their looks , as a man , even if i personally i think it's not optimal you can still go for status and money to then get ( fake ) attention from good looking women , an ugly woman can be as rich and high status as she wants her looks will always be the only thing people look at