Hypothesis Chess is for midwits

[XWJ]

Its not about iq, Oppenheimer and Einstein played a game and they were both absolutely terrible

Unless youre above 2000 elo its for normies who want to feel smart

 

[quijada]

Its not about iq, Oppenheimer and Einstein played a game and they were both absolutely terrible

Unless youre above 2000 elo its for normies who want to feel smart

it takes a specific kind of intelligence that doesnt really correlate with iq. foresight i guess. so being good at chess doesnt mean youre intelligent in the traditional sense, but its not explicitly for midwits. some have an inclination for it while others dont

 

[Tear]

It’s not about IQ. It’s just about pattern recognition and strategy that have nothing to do with IQ.

 

[rocky]

depends how you view it

iq is linked to memory and memory is the biggest factor in chess, knowing lines/thoeries drivea you far

 

[Hypergamous]

depends how you view it

iq is linked to memory and memory is the biggest factor in chess, knowing lines/thoeries drivea you far

the reason there are so many child prodigy chess players is because they learned while there mind was still developing, so the later you learn chess the worse you are, it has nothing to do with IQ and its just a game of pattern recognition

 

[rocky]

the reason there are so many child prodigy chess players is because they learned while there mind was still developing, so the later you learn chess the worse you are, it has nothing to do with IQ and its just a game of pattern recognition

most chess prodigies have an elvated iq devolope faster than others, moreover most chess kid prodigies usually growup with insane memory

 

[ohsxntа]

Its not about iq, Oppenheimer and Einstein played a game and they were both absolutely terrible

proves nothing. if they practiced and wanted to be good, they could do it with ease
that being said, iq isn't the only determining factor ofc

 

[ohsxntа]

It’s not about IQ. It’s just about pattern recognition and strategy that have nothing to do with IQ.

what do you think pattern recognition and strategy is influenced by?

 

[XWJ]

proves nothing. if they practiced and wanted to be good, they could do it with ease
that being said, iq isn't the only determining factor ofc

Interesting you say that, there has never been a grandmaster that started playing after age 20 so maybe theres one of the determining factors

Neuroplasticity i mean

 

[Tear]

what do you think pattern recognition and strategy is influenced by?

It’s more like diminishing returns. Yes having a High IQ can help beginners pick up the rules faster and figure out basic tactics much faster. High IQ however does not equal a better chess player.

It’s more repetition and practice. Lower IQ players will actually play better because the ones who don’t get weeded out spend a ton of time playing and practicing.

 

[AListhegoat]

Its not about iq, Oppenheimer and Einstein played a game and they were both absolutely terrible

Unless youre above 2000 elo its for normies who want to feel smart

Chess is mostly pattern recognition not full scale iq or fluid reasoning.

 

[Tyne888]

i hate chess
love bobby fisher

 

[Solemn.]

Its not about iq, Oppenheimer and Einstein played a game and they were both absolutely terrible

Unless youre above 2000 elo its for normies who want to feel smart

horrible reasoning.
just say you are bad at chess
also einstein and oppenheimer both played decently well and knew the theory to ruy lopez so they werent terrible just not grandmasters

the game is theory, memory and pattern recognition alongside extreme focus that most people just dont like
it takes an incredible toll on your brain and having a high IQ does correlate to an easier path to move forward like every game/sport

 

[Solemn.]

LOL NVM UR A FUCKING r****d THEY WERE BOTH AMAZING JFL
EINSTEIN PLAYED AT 90% ENGINE ACCURACY AT AN EST ELO OF 2500

 

[Tyne888]

 

[Nenestar]

Lower IQ players will actually play better because the ones who don’t get weeded out spend a ton of time playing and practicing.

jesus, painful to read this level of reasoning

 

[LetItBeOver]

cuh im 2100, js admit ur bad bro

 

[Jeezie066]

Its not about iq, Oppenheimer and Einstein played a game and they were both absolutely terrible

Unless youre above 2000 elo its for normies who want to feel smart

"absolutely terrible"

 

[LetItBeOver]

Hypothesis @XWJ is a midwit

 

[Tear]

jesus, painful to read this level of reasoning

Think about it this way then. Someone who has memorized every pattern and winning move from tons of practice will do better than someone who hasn’t practiced as much with a higher IQ who has to figure out what moves to do.

Even if they both practiced the same amount the baseline is based on memorization IQ. IQ is just the capacity to learn

 

[Nenestar]

Think about it this way then. Someone who has memorized every pattern and winning move from tons of practice will do better than someone who hasn’t practiced as much with a higher IQ who has to figure out what moves to do.

Even if they both practiced the same amount the baseline is based on memorization IQ. IQ is just the capacity to learn

you're now talking about a different thing here. obviously a person who spends a lot of time on a skill will outperform a person who doesn't (at least in this case)

capacity to learn sure + also provides a certain ceiling

so how does any of these indicate that low iq players will play better?

 

[Tear]

you're now talking about a different thing here. obviously a person who spends a lot of time on a skill will outperform a person who doesn't (at least in this case)

capacity to learn sure + also provides a certain ceiling

so how does any of these indicate that low iq players will play better?

Im just saying that the difference between a high IQ vs a low IQ player is very minimal at the higher tiers.

I may have misspoken about low IQ players being better than high IQ players. Just saying high IQ players aren’t inherently better than low IQ players either at the bigger leagues.

 

[charmingjester]

It targets a different part of the brain that focuses on strategy. IQ≠Being good at chess. It may be an indicator but not necessarily I know people that are retarted but still play chess at a good and high level. But if you have a high iq it usually means you could learn and master chess quicker than iqlets

 

[Nenestar]

Im just saying that the difference between a high IQ vs a low IQ player is very minimal at the higher tiers.

I may have misspoken about low IQ players being better than high IQ players. Just saying high IQ players aren’t inherently better than low IQ players either at the bigger leagues.

well, if you're only selecting of people who are already at the top tier, then you're just comparing elo scores, and adding IQ to the mix is pointless.

what do you mean by inherently? ofc, a player with a lower IQ can beat a player with a higher IQ if his elo score is higher, but having a higher IQ should give you an advantage, just because you process information faster, have higher working memory etc (or why would it not?)

 

[AListhegoat]

jesus, painful to read this level of reasoning

Seriously

 

[Solemn.]

cuh im 2100, js admit ur bad bro

U play otb tourneys or have a norm or title??
That’s deadass my goal by the time im 20

 

[Tear]

well, if you're only selecting of people who are already at the top tier, then you're just comparing elo scores, and adding IQ to the mix is pointless.

what do you mean by inherently? ofc, a player with a lower IQ can beat a player with a higher IQ if his elo score is higher, but having a higher IQ should give you an advantage, just because you process information faster, have higher working memory etc (or why would it not?)

Yeah. If we’re talking about like a normal match and they both have the same elo chances are the higher IQ individual will win.

 

[Nenestar]

Yeah. If we’re talking about like a normal match and they both have the same elo chances are the higher IQ individual will win.

not really. if they are the same elo then they are fundamentally playing chess at the same level, IQ really doesn't matter here (as the skill level is already determined). i guess if you were to lock those 2 players in a room, and have them play 100 games, then maybe the higher IQ person (if the gap is noticeable) might have easier time to find patterns and weaknesses of the opponent that he could exploit in the later games and win more, but that's more metagaming than chess ability (also, in the higher level, i doubt there are going to be "weaknesses" you'd find over 100 games that you'd exploit as everybody is playing pretty solid chess)

 

[AListhegoat]

not really. if they are the same elo then they are fundamentally playing chess at the same level, IQ really doesn't matter here (as the skill level is already determined). i guess if you were to lock those 2 players in a room, and have them play 100 games, then maybe the higher IQ person (if the gap is noticeable) might have easier time to find patterns and weaknesses of the opponent that he could exploit in the later games and win more, but that's more metagaming than chess ability (also, in the higher level, i doubt there are going to be "weaknesses" you'd find over 100 games that you'd exploit as everybody is playing pretty solid chess)

Depends on what you mean by "high iq".
Do you mean high fluid reasoning,high cognitive functions,or pattern recognition? Becusse pattern recognition Is the thing that matters the most In chess.

 

[Nenestar]

Depends on what you mean by "high iq".
Do you mean high fluid reasoning,high cognitive functions,or pattern recognition? Becusse pattern recognition Is the thing that matters the most In chess.

in this context just nonverbal attributes that could help at chess, like working memory, processing speed, fluid reasoning (and i guess pattern recognition falls under this)

but regards to my message, if they are the same elo, it doesn't matter if the other person is higher IQ as the elo already determines the level of play. a 2000 rated 80iq person and a 140iq 2000 rated person will perform equally well (if we assume the elo was calculated from large quantity of games) but ofc, the 80iq person probably has more knowledge on theory or just has spent far more time (time-wise or attention-wise), while the 140iq person most likely is better at raw calculation (and other IQ-correlated tasks) and bumps his elo to that, even if he "knows less"

 

[AListhegoat]

in this context just nonverbal attributes that could help at chess, like working memory, processing speed, fluid reasoning (and i guess pattern recognition falls under this)

but regards to my message, if they are the same elo, it doesn't matter if the other person is higher IQ as the elo already determines the level of play. a 2000 rated 80iq person and a 140iq 2000 rated person will perform equally well (if we assume the elo was calculated from large quantity of games) but ofc, the 80iq person probably has more knowledge on theory or just has spent far more time (time-wise or attention-wise), while the 140iq person most likely is better at raw calculation (and other IQ-correlated tasks) and bumps his elo to that, even if he "knows less"

If the 80iq person has more pattern recognition than the 140iq then it's actually a gap between them.

And I agree,the higher iq individual would be higher in estimated elo,becuase of his superior thinking and reasoning abilities.

 

[LetItBeOver]

U play otb tourneys or have a norm or title??
That’s deadass my goal by the time im 20

I’ve only really played school tournaments, I only play chess in free time