Discussion Death isn’t real

[BigDihDiddy]

even not including religion death itself cannot happen in an infinite universe

If you go by science and say the universe was formed from concentration of matter which is a testament to infinity everything that is possible will happen

So given an unlimited amount of time the universe will end and start again an infinite number of times and so will u

Maybe by the 10 billionth new big bang the same chances that lead to forming ur exact brain will happen again

 

[BigDihDiddy]

This isn’t even sifi or speculation if u believe in math u believe in probability and given an infinite amount of time any possibility will occur

If this isn’t true than math itself isn’t true

 

[Sammy]

> chances that lead to forming ur exact brain will happen again

is it really you though

 

[BigDihDiddy]

> chances that lead to forming ur exact brain will happen again

is it really you though

We don’t understand consciousness some ppl argue it’s a soul unique to you

And more scientific ppl will argue it’s your brain and the way it’s designed. So theoretically if you were to rebuild your brain peace by peace to perfection that would be you

Very interesting to think about tho either way from both our understandings that being religion and science there is no eternal rest you always wake up eventually

 

[Sammy]

We don’t understand consciousness some ppl argue it’s a soul unique to you

And more scientific ppl will argue it’s your brain and the way it’s designed. So theoretically if you were to rebuild your brain peace by peace to perfection that would be you

Very interesting to think about tho either way from both our understandings that being religion and science there is no eternal rest you always wake up eventually

If you ropemaxx rn and by chance a being is created with your exact brain and that shit its not like you would wake back up and plop into this new n***a, homie might be exactly the same as u but ur still gonna be dead man

 

[BigDihDiddy]

If you ropemaxx rn and by chance a being is created with your exact brain and that shit its not like you would wake back up and plop into this new n***a, homie might be exactly the same as u but ur still gonna be dead man

n***a If u don’t believe in a soul then an exact clone of you would be you. What is it that makes u experience life through ur eyes anyway

Ofc if u calculate the probability of an exact copy of ur brain being formed the numbers would be incomprehensibly low but given infinity it will eventually happen unless laws of physics permanently change

 

[Sammy]

n***a If u don’t believe in a soul then an exact clone of you would be you. What is it that makes u experience life through ur eyes anyway

Ofc if u calculate the probability of an exact copy of ur brain being formed the numbers would be incomprehensibly low but given infinity it will eventually happen unless laws of physics permanently change

n***a an exact copy is not you, it might have your memories and all that shit but do your consciousness ends when u die, u sound like a sand n****r who believes in reincarnation rn

 

[BigDihDiddy]

n***a an exact copy is not you, it might have your memories and all that shit but do your consciousness ends when u die, u sound like a sand n****r who believes in reincarnation rn

That might be sifi movie influence as far as I’m aware there has never been successful cloning to a brain level scale

Even identical twins who share mostly the same genes have different brains

Tho if it were the case and someone with ur exact brain wasn’t you then maybe individual experience is an illusion and you are not urself

In terms of scientific explanation there would be no tangible reason why someone with ur exact brain could be separate in terms of consciousness

 

[BigDihDiddy]

n***a an exact copy is not you, it might have your memories and all that shit but do your consciousness ends when u die, u sound like a sand n****r who believes in reincarnation rn

Tho i would be interested in seeing the results if they manage to clone animals or something

Since that would raise a question of where does ur sense of self and ur being alive even come from if there is no soul?

That’s also why some n*****s say individuality is an illusion and you are actually everything at once or some shit

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

soul unique to you

Brootal scifi
If there's a soul, why can I not taste it

 

[dominantchad]

even not including religion death itself cannot happen in an infinite universe

If you go by science and say the universe was formed from concentration of matter which is a testament to infinity everything that is possible will happen

So given an unlimited amount of time the universe will end and start again an infinite number of times and so will u

Maybe by the 10 billionth new big bang the same chances that lead to forming ur exact brain will happen again

I wish I could be reborn in a chad innit


@Nbernical @Blackpillirony

 

[giga.mia]

n***a If u don’t believe in a soul then an exact clone of you would be you. What is it that makes u experience life through ur eyes anyway

Once you die your personality dies as well. I think “when your consciousness ends after death” it means your unique personality dies?

Ofc if u calculate the probability of an exact copy of ur brain being formed the numbers would be incomprehensibly low but given infinity it will eventually happen unless laws of physics permanently change

Some believe in reincarnation, where your soul is recycled into a different body. Your soul and your personality are two different things though. Your personality is based off of your experiences, inherited traits and that stuff. Many argue as to what a soul is though, some like to think of it as like an engine that runs a car

 

[BigDihDiddy]

I wish I could be reborn in a chad innit


@Nbernical @Blackpillirony

I think once you die your soul dies as well. I think “when your consciousness ends after death” it means your unique personality dies?

Some believe in reincarnation, where your soul is recycled into a different body. Your soul and your personality are two different things though. Your personality is based off of your experiences, inherited traits and that stuff. Many argue as to what a soul is though, some like to think of it as like an engine that runs a car

i mean that’s what rich niggaz are gonna do later by uploading their mind into a computer

In a purely scientific sense if a soul isn’t real ur whole sense of self is in ur brain so as long as ur brain can be copied peace by peace that will be you

If that isn’t the case and they end up being another individual even if identical to you in personality that would beg the question of where does ur experience of reality even come from?

 

[Sammy]

Tho i would be interested in seeing the results if they manage to clone animals or something

Since that would raise a question of where does ur sense of self and ur being alive even come from if there is no soul?

That’s also why some n*****s say individuality is an illusion and you are actually everything at once or some shit

Some n*****s are retarded

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Some n*****s are retarded

Maybe the answers lie beyond ur perception of reality type chit one can never know

 

[Sammy]

Maybe the answers lie beyond ur perception of reality type chit one can never know

No i am just smarter than sincemaxxers. If the universe is infinite and there is a 1:1 clone of you right now would u start tweaking out between worlds or what shit just doesnt make logical sense. And let say u die, then a 1:1 clone of you is born sometime later in a world the same as ours by a very small chance. Will you wake up in this clone as a baby? obv not, so how does that work is it when they reach the same point in life as when u die u become them? this sounds like some indian reincarnation shit. I believe your consciousness is finite and a while there is a tiny chance a 1:1 clone of you could exist it doesnt mean u will somehow be rebooted into their body. This is like building 2 LLMs exactly the same on the same ram and chip with the same training data, still doesnt mean they magically merge

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Once you die your personality dies as well. I think “when your consciousness ends after death” it means your unique personality dies?

Some believe in reincarnation, where your soul is recycled into a different body. Your soul and your personality are two different things though. Your personality is based off of your experiences, inherited traits and that stuff. Many argue as to what a soul is though, some like to think of it as like an engine that runs a car

Souls = science fiction
Clone with exact same brain = you
It would have all your memories and since it's a clone, all those memories would be real. Literally just making it you
If someone would argue otherwise then that'll be like saying someone who regained memories a year after they hit their head is also a different person

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Souls = science fiction
Clone with exact same brain = you
It would have all your memories and since it's a clone, all those memories would be real. Literally just making it you
If someone would argue otherwise then that'll be like saying someone who regained memories a year after they hit their head is also a different person

Yeah and that’s what makes everyone immortal by default since the universe allegedly started from a big bang in the nothingness

And physics says it’ll eventually return to nothingness so that means a loop of multiple big bangs and in an infinite amount of time the whole universe exactly as it is now with all the ppl will likely be created again

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Yeah and that’s what makes everyone immortal by default since the universe allegedly started from a big bang in the nothingness

And physics says it’ll eventually return to nothingness so that means a loop of multiple big bangs and in an infinite amount of time the whole universe exactly as it is now with all the ppl will likely be created again

Uh I guess bro maybe one day there will be a version of me who bonesmashes to Chad

 

[Blackpill Saint]

The bullshit that people come up with to stop feeling guilty about others' suffering, stop coping please.

We live in a very material reality and people would die of terminal illnesses anyday.

 

[Duchesse]

even not including religion death itself cannot happen in an infinite universe

If you go by science and say the universe was formed from concentration of matter which is a testament to infinity everything that is possible will happen

So given an unlimited amount of time the universe will end and start again an infinite number of times and so will u

Maybe by the 10 billionth new big bang the same chances that lead to forming ur exact brain will happen again

Schizo

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

The bullshit that people come up with to stop feeling guilty about others' suffering, stop coping please.

Yo bro, why would anybody feel guilty about others suffering. People have more important things to do like pay taxes or find out why you're hardstuck silver in rocket league

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Schizo

Humans can’t picture infinity

The most simple theory is to imagine putting a monkey on a keyboard and letting it mash the keys for infinity

In the math of probability as long as the chance isn’t 0 given enough time he will eventually end up writing every single book ever made including the cure to cancer and everything you ever read

It’s how probability works so if the universe is infinite the chances of the same circumstances repeating themselves is infinite

 

[theRetard]

> chances that lead to forming ur exact brain will happen again

is it really you though

We don’t understand consciousness some ppl argue it’s a soul unique to you

And more scientific ppl will argue it’s your brain and the way it’s designed. So theoretically if you were to rebuild your brain peace by peace to perfection that would be you

Very interesting to think about tho either way from both our understandings that being religion and science there is no eternal rest you always wake up eventually

no you cannot rebuilt your immaterial consciousness from material brain, just conceptually impossible
in reality consciousness is inseparable from the body, meaning that even if you were to create a brain identical to the one you had before death you would not be reborn because your consciousness has already died

 

[BigDihDiddy]

The bullshit that people come up with to stop feeling guilty about others' suffering, stop coping please.

We live in a very material reality and people would die of terminal illnesses anyday.

Yo bro, why would anybody feel guilty about others suffering. People have more important things to do like pay taxes or find out why you're hardstuck silver in rocket league

It’s gonna be a very hard concept for these ppl to grasp since if a human could picture infinity you would literally die due to information overload so it will sound like schizo ramblings but considering probability

As long as the chances aren’t 0 anything will repeat itself and infinite amount of times if the universe is infinite even if we are speaking quadrillions of years

 

[theRetard]

The bullshit that people come up with to stop feeling guilty about others' suffering, stop coping please.

We live in a very material reality and people would die of terminal illnesses anyday.

material things do not exist tho

 

[BigDihDiddy]

no you cannot rebuilt your immaterial consciousness from material brain, just conceptually impossible
in reality consciousness is inseparable from the body, meaning that even if you were to create a brain identical to the one you had before death you would not be reborn because your consciousness has already died

U are pulling this out of your ass with all due respect

We do not know exactly how or what consciousness is and theoretically if the exact same copy of your every body part or brain is recreated it should posses the same consciousness

 

[theRetard]

Souls = science fiction
Clone with exact same brain = you
It would have all your memories and since it's a clone, all those memories would be real. Literally just making it you
If someone would argue otherwise then that'll be like saying someone who regained memories a year after they hit their head is also a different person

Clone with exact same brain = you only externally but it's not your consciousness

U are pulling this out of your ass with all due respect

We do not know exactly how or what consciousness is and theoretically if the exact same copy of your every body part or brain is recreated it should posses the same consciousness

what a retarded shit ngl. so if there's a human and his 100% copy exist in the same time, so they share the same consciousness? wtf
do you hear yourself

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Clone with exact same brain = you only externally but it's not your consciousness

Clone with the exact same brain would have your exact consciousness

what a retarded shit ngl. so if there's a human and his 100% copy exist in the same time, so they share the same consciousness? wtf
do you hear yourself

If they both exist at the same time they share the same consciousness until differing memory is developed which ig would happen like instantly but whatever you get the point right

 

[theRetard]

Clone with the exact same brain would have your exact consciousness

propaganda

If they both exist at the same time they share the same consciousness until differing memory is developed which ig would happen like instantly but whatever you get the point right

do you know what consciousness is, right? it's just inner feeling so if there's 2 body they can't have the same consciousness at the same time nor in different times, it just comes from definition

 

[Blackpill Saint]

It’s gonna be a very hard concept for these ppl to grasp since if a human could picture infinity you would literally die due to information overload so it will sound like schizo ramblings but considering probability

As long as the chances aren’t 0 anything will repeat itself and infinite amount of times if the universe is infinite even if we are speaking quadrillions of years

There isn't an infinity that is picturable imo, what you might be referring to is an undefined extension of everything, like an endless sequence of numbers. quantity is limited by definition.

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Clone with exact same brain = you only externally but it's not your consciousness

what a retarded shit ngl. so if there's a human and his 100% copy exist in the same time, so they share the same consciousness? wtf
do you hear yourself

The truth is we do not know the way you respond is as if you hold the answers to the laws of the universe

I am just theorising upon all information modern science has

And as far as we know there are 2 theories for consciousness it is either a soul like religion says or a biological illusion basically a brain interface much like code in a computer

And code can be written in the same way again

 

[Blackpill Saint]

material things do not exist tho

for the top dawg that's perceiving it yes, but for lower life forms it's real.

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

propaganda

do you know what consciousness is, right? it's just inner feeling so if there's 2 body they can't have the same consciousness at the same time nor in different times, it just comes from definition

Yeah and your inner feeling is 100% derived from your brain.
With the exact same brain you'd have the exact same "inner feeling" unless exposed to differing stimuli which would change the brain ever so slightly of course

But if you were to high-key die, then have a 1:1 clone of you, it would still share your consciousness as long as it has every memory(even the memory of said death)

And since the og is high-key dead, it no longer has to be exposed to the exact same stimuli to share the same consciousness
Therefore it low-key just stays you bronacho

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Clone with the exact same brain would have your exact consciousness

If they both exist at the same time they share the same consciousness until differing memory is developed which ig would happen like instantly but whatever you get the point right

both of u are making assumptions truth is there’s no way for anyone to be 100% sure of what makes consciousness

That is why I brought into question both theories that being religious and how consciousness is essentially biological code in your brain

If you completely exclude religious belief we are either a computer simulation or pure biological organisms and all that makes us us is in our body and can be copied forever

 

[theRetard]

The truth is we do not know the way you respond is as if you hold the answers to the laws of the universe

I am just theorising upon all information modern science has

And as far as we know there are 2 theories for consciousness it is either a soul like religion says or a biological illusion basically a brain interface much like code in a computer

And code can be written in the same way again

you do not know*
not me
and no modern science (which is empirical) will NEVER prove shit about consciousness (which is immaterial).
and there's at least 5 theories for conscioesness so you are extremely ignorant on this topic
panpsychism, dualism, and 3 types of monism. also some shit like functionalism but i don't take it seriously

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

consciousness is essentially biological code in your brain

Clearly this one bro

pure biological organisms

Clearly this one bro

 

[theRetard]

Yeah and your inner feeling is 100% derived from your brain.
With the exact same brain you'd have the exact same "inner feeling" unless exposed to differing stimuli which would change the brain ever so slightly of course

But if you were to high-key die, then have a 1:1 clone of you, it would still share your consciousness as long as it has every memory(even the memory of said death)

And since the og is high-key dead, it no longer has to be exposed to the exact same stimuli to share the same consciousness
Therefore it low-key just stays you bronacho

your inner feeling is 100% derived from consciosness which is dependent from brain ofc but they aren't the same, brain is just vessel for consciousness but consciousness is not biological
if there's 100% copy of yourself you both can't physically nor logically share the same experience so your copy is not you

 

[theRetard]

both of u are making assumptions truth is there’s no way for anyone to be 100% sure of what makes consciousness

That is why I brought into question both theories that being religious and how consciousness is essentially biological code in your brain

If you completely exclude religious belief we are either a computer simulation or pure biological organisms and all that makes us us is in our body and can be copied forever

read more books

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

if there's 100% copy of yourself you both can't physically nor logically share the same experience so your copy is not you

Yeah yeah but if they don't exist at the same time then they don't have to have the same experiences

 

[theRetard]

Yeah yeah but if they don't exist at the same time then they don't have to have the same experiences

yeah and therefore your copy doesn't have your consciousness

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

yeah and therefore your copy doesn't have your consciousness

Yeah and therefore it would, if it starts with the exact same neurological development as you do, then it would have your exact consciousness.
Then every action afterwards would simply be another part of your consciousness

 

[theRetard]

Yeah and therefore it would, if it starts with the exact same neurological development as you do, then it would have your exact consciousness.
Then every action afterwards would simply be another part of your consciousness

you either fundamentally don't know what consciousness is even tho i already gave you its definition or just trolling
exact same neurological development will create another consciousness that differs from you because as i said, consciousness if just your inner feeling, so there cannot be the same consciousness in the same body in any time

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

so there cannot be the same consciousness in the same body in any time

Will not interact with this ragebait!!

But it's fine bronacho I still think you're cool
But maybe try to debate with people of lesser intelligence than the great ME

 

[theRetard]

Will not interact with this ragebait!!

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But it's fine bronacho I still think you're cool
But maybe try to debate with people of lesser intelligence than the great ME

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i already beat @Kage no Kage no Kaiba in a debate but i'm not sure if he had lesser intelligence than you
by the way in reality everything has consciousness, even atoms but they have inferior consciousness to humans obviously and human consciousness emerges when these small consciousnesses organize themselves into a form, creating one large human consciousness.
thats how it works
and yeah the clone's brain cannot consist of the same atoms because it is a copy not the original which means that its consciousness will be different

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

yeah the clone's brain cannot consist of the same atoms because it is a copy not the original which means that its consciousness will be different

Bro isn't that the whole point of the hypothetical of a 1:1 copy

 

[BigDihDiddy]

you do not know*
not me
and no modern science (which is empirical) will NEVER prove shit about consciousness (which is immaterial).
and there's at least 5 theories for conscioesness so you are extremely ignorant on this topic
panpsychism, dualism, and 3 types of monism. also some shit like functionalism but i don't take it seriously

These are your thoughts maybe but to claim consciousness is immaterial with such certainty and call me ignorant in the same sentence is in itself ignorant

There is no way of knowing but the current most excepted scientific theory is that it is all biological and within us so basically in our brain that’s where it is stored

Based on the fact ppl can completely change if you remove a part of their brain

 

[theRetard]

Bro isn't that the whole point of the hypothetical of a 1:1 copy

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1:1 copy is impossible because if 2 things aren't different then it's the same thing, so it's not a copy at all but the original

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

There is no way of knowing

Unless you're me obviously

 

[BigDihDiddy]

i already beat @Kage no Kage no Kaiba in a debate but i'm not sure if he had lesser intelligence than you
by the way in reality everything has consciousness, even atoms but they have inferior consciousness to humans obviously and human consciousness emerges when these small consciousnesses organize themselves into a form, creating one large human consciousness.
thats how it works
and yeah the clone's brain cannot consist of the same atoms because it is a copy not the original which means that its consciousness will be different

This sounds interesting but I don’t understand how you are so sure of all that

It could be true that everything has a sort of consciousness or consciousness itself is shared between the whole universe and individuality is an illusion

Tho it’s meer speculation the closest answer we have based on evidence is that the pattern of your brain determines consciousness