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JFL High thought:

only theoretical ways so far are CTC, time dilation, and wormholes
all of them are theoretical and or very difficult/near impossible
CTC- Closed Timelike Curves, loops in spacetime that allow for traveling back in time. uses general relativity and black holes. dangerous and also we are nowhere near even exiting our solar system except for voyager 1 and 2, but the universe so big that they have barely made it outside
wormholes- uses black holes and theoretical white holes. entirely theoretical and will be unstable. would require exotic forms of matter to exist
time dilation- someone travelling extremely fast would be in the future relative to a stationary observer

now for the time police:
-grandfather paradox, this is illogical
-it would be exploited
 
sigma said:
only theoretical ways so far are CTC, time dilation, and wormholes
all of them are theoretical and or very difficult/near impossible
CTC- Closed Timelike Curves, loops in spacetime that allow for traveling back in time. uses general relativity and black holes. dangerous and also we are nowhere near even exiting our solar system except for voyager 1 and 2, but the universe so big that they have barely made it outside
wormholes- uses black holes and theoretical white holes. entirely theoretical and will be unstable. would require exotic forms of matter to exist
time dilation- someone travelling extremely fast would be in the future relative to a stationary observer

now for the time police:
-grandfather paradox, this is illogical
-it would be exploited
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They keep things in order
 
howtomogg said:
Infinite time =infinite possibilities
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but not for humans, nor the universe,

by the way time travelling in my opinion is only possible forward, not backwards, since travelling in time forward would mean to move very fast, but travelling backwards should mean moving negatively fast? and that's not possible for us humans, maybe with some theories such as wormholes, but they are just unverified theories. speed is either nonexistent or its value is positive
 
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allexxs said:
but not for humans, nor the universe,

by the way time travelling in my opinion is only possible forward, not backwards, since travelling in time forward would mean to move very fast, but travelling backwards should mean moving negatively fast? and that's not possible for us humans, maybe with some theories such as wormholes, but they are just unverified theories. speed is either nonexistent or its value is positive
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Its possible backwards but as soon as u disrupt anything it creates an alternate universe. This would probably be what time police are preventing.. which would make sense considering we dont know how to travel back in time yet other than with speed and physics.
 
howtomogg said:
Its possible backwards but as soon as u disrupt anything it creates an alternate universe. This would probably be what time police are preventing.. which would make sense considering we dont know how to travel back in time yet other than with speed and physics.
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don't forget that all the made theories are just math-made man-made theories which AREN'T verified and can fall apart easily, like, who said that black holes send you to a fucking alternate universe or some other shit and they don't just compress that matter infinitely?

whiteholes and wormholes are theories DERIVATED from another theory, which is the way blackholes act

even if those theories would be true they would only work for non-physical entities such as energy, not matter
 
howtomogg said:
Its possible backwards but as soon as u disrupt anything it creates an alternate universe. This would probably be what time police are preventing.. which would make sense considering we dont know how to travel back in time yet other than with speed and physics.
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creates an anlterate universe -> energy from nothing
 
allexxs said:
allexxs said:
creates an anlterate universe -> energy from nothing
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don't forget that all the made theories are just math-made man-made theories which AREN'T verified and can fall apart easily, like, who said that black holes send you to a f*****g alternate universe or some other shit and they don't just compress that matter infinitely?

whiteholes and wormholes are theories DERIVATED from another theory, which is the way blackholes act

even if those theories would be true they would only work for non-physical entities such as energy, not matter
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Speed force
 
allexxs said:
by the way time travelling in my opinion is only possible forward, not backwards, since travelling in time forward would mean to move very fast,
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it is possible to go backwards
time is slower when next to something that has a strong gravitational pull. also time when you are travelling at near speed of light is slower.
say there is a black hole near our solar system (not too close to disrupt ours significantly)
so lets say some guy is travelling around a black hole really quickly, but doesnt get sucked in (doesnt go too close to the event horizon). then he kinda hangs around that area. then earth observers come along a few years later to check up on him. for him it might be a small amount of time. but for them it has been years. so in that moment, in that place, those earth observers have experienced the past, and seen the past guy
its kinda like the future meeting up with the past guy by going to a location where time was slower.
meanwhile the understood going to the future which most people accept as possible is the guy from the past who was near the black hole coming back to the earth. so you have to twist that
 
howtomogg said:
Its possible backwards but as soon as u disrupt anything it creates an alternate universe. This would probably be what time police are preventing.. which would make sense considering we dont know how to travel back in time yet other than with speed and physics.
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no, your mere existence would disrupt it. its not just you kick a rock and it makes an alternate universe. the sheer presence is alone able to cause the butterfly effect. so then what is the time police purpose?
 
howtomogg said:
There is thats fact and time is relative. Also

exactly time is relative
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I guess that is true in a way but i meant infinite time for humans to learn to control time. I think humans will die before then
 
allexxs said:
don't forget that all the made theories are just math-made man-made theories which AREN'T verified and can fall apart easily, like, who said that black holes send you to a f*****g alternate universe or some other shit and they don't just compress that matter infinitely?

whiteholes and wormholes are theories DERIVATED from another theory, which is the way blackholes act

even if those theories would be true they would only work for non-physical entities such as energy, not matter
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Blackhole theory is real in my opinion but the problem is we'll never be this evolved to travel at light speed or have enough resources to go to blackhole doesn't matter how civilised we become
Only theory i believe in is wormholes
 
sigma said:
no, your mere existence would disrupt it. its not just you kick a rock and it makes an alternate universe. the sheer presence is alone able to cause the butterfly effect. so then what is the time police purpose?
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I heard there's a theory called self healing timeline something like that where the nature automatically corrects changes in paradox
 
allexxs said:
but not for humans, nor the universe,

by the way time travelling in my opinion is only possible forward, not backwards, since travelling in time forward would mean to move very fast, but travelling backwards should mean moving negatively fast? and that's not possible for us humans, maybe with some theories such as wormholes, but they are just unverified theories. speed is either nonexistent or its value is positive
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There will oneday be a near identacle species to us or probably is and if there is a multiverse than weve just delved too far into a simple high thought😭
 
sigma said:
it is possible to go backwards
time is slower when next to something that has a strong gravitational pull. also time when you are travelling at near speed of light is slower.
say there is a black hole near our solar system (not too close to disrupt ours significantly)
so lets say some guy is travelling around a black hole really quickly, but doesnt get sucked in (doesnt go too close to the event horizon). then he kinda hangs around that area. then earth observers come along a few years later to check up on him. for him it might be a small amount of time. but for them it has been years. so in that moment, in that place, those earth observers have experienced the past, and seen the past guy
its kinda like the future meeting up with the past guy by going to a location where time was slower.
meanwhile the understood going to the future which most people accept as possible is the guy from the past who was near the black hole coming back to the earth. so you have to twist that
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Yeah, but the time which has passed is equivalent for both sides, if we consider that for the earth observers the time passes normally (let's say 1s / s) and let's say that the time which has to pass is 1 billion seconds, it will take a few years for earth obserbers to experience those seconds, while for the man orbiting around the blackhole if the time passes way faster (100 million seconds / the actual seconds, so 100mil s/ s) he STILL experiences those billion seconds just way faster than the earth observers

So the only right point is that technically the blackhole man time travelled forward, but the earth observers didnt see him neither in the past, just in the present
 
allexxs said:
Yeah, but the time which has passed is equivalent for both sides, if we consider that for the earth observers the time passes normally (let's say 1s / s) and let's say that the time which has to pass is 1 billion seconds, it will take a few years for earth obserbers to experience those seconds, while for the man orbiting around the blackhole if the time passes way faster (100 million seconds / the actual seconds, so 100mil s/ s) he STILL experiences those billion seconds just way faster than the earth observers

So the only right point is that technically the blackhole man time travelled forward, but the earth observers didnt see him neither in the past, just in the present
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Thats if he wasnt dead
 
basic.yash said:
Blackhole theory is real in my opinion but the problem is we'll never be this evolved to travel at light speed or have enough resources to go to blackhole doesn't matter how civilised we become
Only theory i believe in is wormholes
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The parallel universe theory is very less than just a theory, it just some kind of superstition, physical parallel universe are pretty much nonsense, either the universe is bigger or it is alone. The only theory which makes sense about parallel universes is the philosophical one, which intends that there are many infinite possible which our universe could've been, starting from us deciding to take a shit or not
 
allexxs said:
don't forget that all the made theories are just math-made man-made theories which AREN'T verified and can fall apart easily, like, who said that black holes send you to a f*****g alternate universe or some other shit and they don't just compress that matter infinitely?

whiteholes and wormholes are theories DERIVATED from another theory, which is the way blackholes act

even if those theories would be true they would only work for non-physical entities such as energy, not matter
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black holes are not theoretical. their existence is confirmed.
white holes are not a theory derivated from another theory. black holes were originally discovered by using einsteins field equations of general relativity and schwarzchild's metric
i really like this statement: :"They’re a natural solution to the laws of physics. Keep adding mass to an object and it’s escape velocity increases. Get the escape velocity to above the speed of light and you’ve got yourself a black hole."
this video covers a lot. firstly, it described how black holes were discovered first theoretically. schwarzchild's metric was a solution to einsteins' problem. people then put in the radius as 0. that causes a singularity. the only thing that could be the escape velocity is faster than the speed of light. it would need a lot of mass to collapse into a tiny lil thing.
this is the first picture of a black hole: 1719767102170.png 2017
btw i should mention the universe is infinitelly large
penrose diagram was formed due to a simple solution.
Ariellebell123 said:
I dont think humans have infinite time to learn to control time, i think theyll die off before thats possible
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the universe itself is likely to repeat an infinite amount of times. not to mention an infinite amount of alternate universes. somewhere there time travel and/or universe hopping will be discovered and then more universes will gain access. that is murphy's law. whatever can happen will happen. especially in relation to infinity.
but the other universes might be closed off because someone put an ifinite influx of energy inside of the small region mentioned in the video i linked above. 34:25
allexxs said:
Yeah, but the time which has passed is equivalent for both sides, if we consider that for the earth observers the time passes normally (let's say 1s / s) and let's say that the time which has to pass is 1 billion seconds, it will take a few years for earth obserbers to experience those seconds, while for the man orbiting around the blackhole if the time passes way faster (100 million seconds / the actual seconds, so 100mil s/ s) he STILL experiences those billion seconds just way faster than the earth observers

So the only right point is that technically the blackhole man time travelled forward, but the earth observers didnt see him neither in the past, just in the present
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time is not equivalent for both sides. and time goes slower, not faster around the black hole. the guy near the black hole is in the past compared to the earth observers.
allexxs said:
The parallel universe theory is very less than just a theory, it just some kind of superstition, physical parallel universe are pretty much nonsense, either the universe is bigger or it is alone. The only theory which makes sense about parallel universes is the philosophical one, which intends that there are many infinite possible which our universe could've been, starting from us deciding to take a shit or not
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its not a superstition its a theory formed by using a penrose diagram, which was derived by putting a simple solution into the schwarzchild metric. it is in textbooks and studied a lot. astrophysicists do not study superstitions. and the philosophical one you are referring to is the butterfly effect.
 
sigma said:
black holes are not theoretical. their existence is confirmed.
white holes are not a theory derivated from another theory. black holes were originally discovered by using einsteins field equations of general relativity and schwarzchild's metric
i really like this statement: :"They’re a natural solution to the laws of physics. Keep adding mass to an object and it’s escape velocity increases. Get the escape velocity to above the speed of light and you’ve got yourself a black hole."
this video covers a lot. firstly, it described how black holes were discovered first theoretically. schwarzchild's metric was a solution to einsteins' problem. people then put in the radius as 0. that causes a singularity. the only thing that could be the escape velocity is faster than the speed of light. it would need a lot of mass to collapse into a tiny lil thing.
this is the first picture of a black hole: View attachment 32626 2017
btw i should mention the universe is infinitelly large
penrose diagram was formed due to a simple solution.

the universe itself is likely to repeat an infinite amount of times. not to mention an infinite amount of alternate universes. somewhere there time travel and/or universe hopping will be discovered and then more universes will gain access. that is murphy's law. whatever can happen will happen. especially in relation to infinity.
but the other universes might be closed off because someone put an ifinite influx of energy inside of the small region mentioned in the video i linked above. 34:25

time is not equivalent for both sides. and time goes slower, not faster around the black hole. the guy near the black hole is in the past compared to the earth observers.

its not a superstition its a theory formed by using a penrose diagram, which was derived by putting a simple solution into the schwarzchild metric. it is in textbooks and studied a lot. astrophysicists do not study superstitions. and the philosophical one you are referring to is the butterfly effect.
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I know blackholes are not a thoery, what I mean is that the way the act is more likely theoretical, there may be a few calculations which should explain what happens inside of a blackhole and what happens when you reach the Singularity, but maths are infinite and humans knowledge and intelligence isnt, we live on a little rock far apart from the nearest blackhole.

Whiteholes themselves are the result and are the solution of the man-made calculations of what blackholes do, they may exist but since none had ever taken a picture of them their existence still remains uncertain

About the time travelling forward you may be right, but my logic is that for both the same amount of has passed, but relatively to the speed the effective amount of time passed (for our body [aging] or for our brain [how much time we think it has passed is different]) is different

Parallel universes are not a superstition, thats not what i meant, i know, they are the result of work of smarter people than me, what I mean is that the certainty of those is way further from us than any other theory said before, because calculations may be wrong sometimes, since physics don't always act as we think they do, and additionaly our human race will extinguish before even gaining the knowledge to travel the universe at the speed of light,

and yes, i've watched all the vids a long ago since i am very intrested in this kind of stuff but i didnt really understand the part why they keep on adding triangles next to the blackhole and the whitehole (i couldnt listen to the video and reading the subtitles wouldve been boring)
 
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allexxs said:
I know blackholes are not a thoery, what I mean is that the way the act is more likely theoretical, there may be a few calculations which should explain what happens inside of a blackhole and what happens when you reach the Singularity, but maths are infinite and humans knowledge and intelligence isnt, we live on a little rock far apart from the nearest blackhole.

Whiteholes themselves are the result and are the solution of the man-made calculations of what blackholes do, they may exist but since none had ever taken a picture of them their existence still remains uncertain

About the time travelling forward you may be right, but my logic is that for both the same amount of has passed, but relatively to the speed the effective amount of time passed (for our body [aging] or for our brain [how much time we think it has passed is different]) is different

Parallel universes are not a superstition, thats not what i meant, i know, they are the result of work of smarter people than me, what I mean is that the certainty of those is way further from us than any other theory said before, because calculations may be wrong sometimes, since physics don't always act as we think they do, and additionaly our human race will extinguish before even gaining the knowledge to travel the universe at the speed of light,

and yes, i've watched all the vids a long ago since i am very intrested in this kind of stuff but i didnt really understand the part why they keep on adding triangles next to the blackhole and the whitehole (i couldnt listen to the video and reading the subtitles wouldve been boring)
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ik you may doubt their existence because there are no photos. but a lot of people didnt believe in black holes but they were proven wrong. who knows when we discover it.
for the triangle part, those triangles are black holes and white holes
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sigma said:
ik you may doubt their existence because there are no photos. but a lot of people didnt believe in black holes but they were proven wrong. who knows when we discover it.
for the triangle part, those triangles are black holes and white holes
View attachment 32635
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Yea i know about the blackholes and the whitehole, what i mean is how are they supposed to know that you can add that square which is the parallel universe? Are there any calculations which suggest that?
 
allexxs said:
Yea i know about the blackholes and the whitehole, what i mean is how are they supposed to know that you can add that square which is the parallel universe? Are there any calculations which suggest that?
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watch the video lol, it explains everything perfectly
but here is a quick thing, you might not understand it entirely:
when talking about space geometry, there arent points, instead there are events.
light travels in a straight line at 45 degrees (the time axis is stretched so its not 90)
the universe is infinitely big. time can also go on infinitely.
1719840923172.png
so because space and time are infinite, you extend the sides.
1719840960647.png
thats how you get the entire universe on one side and parallel universe on the other, in the shape of squares when using the penrose diagram
 
sigma said:
black holes are not theoretical. their existence is confirmed.
white holes are not a theory derivated from another theory. black holes were originally discovered by using einsteins field equations of general relativity and schwarzchild's metric
i really like this statement: :"They’re a natural solution to the laws of physics. Keep adding mass to an object and it’s escape velocity increases. Get the escape velocity to above the speed of light and you’ve got yourself a black hole."
this video covers a lot. firstly, it described how black holes were discovered first theoretically. schwarzchild's metric was a solution to einsteins' problem. people then put in the radius as 0. that causes a singularity. the only thing that could be the escape velocity is faster than the speed of light. it would need a lot of mass to collapse into a tiny lil thing.
this is the first picture of a black hole: View attachment 32626 2017
btw i should mention the universe is infinitelly large
penrose diagram was formed due to a simple solution.

the universe itself is likely to repeat an infinite amount of times. not to mention an infinite amount of alternate universes. somewhere there time travel and/or universe hopping will be discovered and then more universes will gain access. that is murphy's law. whatever can happen will happen. especially in relation to infinity.
but the other universes might be closed off because someone put an ifinite influx of energy inside of the small region mentioned in the video i linked above. 34:25

time is not equivalent for both sides. and time goes slower, not faster around the black hole. the guy near the black hole is in the past compared to the earth observers.

its not a superstition its a theory formed by using a penrose diagram, which was derived by putting a simple solution into the schwarzchild metric. it is in textbooks and studied a lot. astrophysicists do not study superstitions. and the philosophical one you are referring to is the butterfly effect.
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lmao i thought i was tweaking
 
sigma said:
watch the video lol, it explains everything perfectly
but here is a quick thing, you might not understand it entirely:
when talking about space geometry, there arent points, instead there are events.
light travels in a straight line at 45 degrees (the time axis is stretched so its not 90)
the universe is infinitely big. time can also go on infinitely.
View attachment 32675
so because space and time are infinite, you extend the sides.
View attachment 32676
thats how you get the entire universe on one side and parallel universe on the other, in the shape of squares when using the penrose diagram
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Yeah i personally don't like at all this logic
 
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