Discussion i cant believe this guy

[Razul]

i dont have words to describe him, but i do have words to describe how i feel about him; secondhand embarrasment.

This guy now says im mental retarded, so far i didnt remember if u had ever said a personal insult, but now i got disappointed lool

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"He's saying thumbpulling works but just takes longer time although my original claim is the reason your maxilla doesn't go back to its original form because of an MSE is because the MSE is holding it in place, once you finish thumbpulling there's nothing stopping your maxilla going back to its original place"

i actually cover this in my tp method thread. basically, its true, u cant prevent ur maxilla from holding it into its place, but since you do it 10 times a day, you start to slowly mold ur palate to the the U shape, expanding the maxila as the mse does.

quoting my guide:
"And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force (2-4 pounds(1kg-1.8kg) after some hours, 0.1-1 pound(0.0445kg, 0.5kg) a day or two after) , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw)."
"HOWEVER, we do have mewing, which is not near to the MSE resting force, but is the most similar thing i could think about. When mewing the tongue applys 1 pound of force or 0.5 kg."

The argument is: U cant have the same retain force, but in compensation you do the routine 10x more than the mse activatio (per day)

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you've also said you don't touch your teeth when thumpulling, anyone here let me know if you can put your thumb on the side of your palette without any of your thumb touching your teeth, you also recommended a thumpulling method for people with thin palattes where you put one thumb on top of the other, that'll 100% touch your teeth if the first one doesn't, most likely will tho.

I correct myself: U avoid putting pressure in your teeth (i thought it was a nobrainer).
Also in the video u are referring i explain that u put your thumbs aligned one to the other, not one on top of the other but rather behind or in front. i explain that in the guide and in the video


"If thumbpulling works how come all "results" never give people a gap in between their teeth, not even the SLIGHTEST gap?"

here i quote myself in a reply of the comment section of the guide i made:
"the diastema is oftenly a result od using a rapid maxilla expander, it does expand your palate like 20-60 times faster than tb. In tb you might expand about 2 milimeters in 10 months if you are dedicated.
The thing is that mse doesnt give the ligament that keeps your teeth together (the periodontal ligament i believe) enough time to adapt to the expansion of the palate, this ligament is elastic which means that after you develop diastema, from using MSE, your front incisorrs ae going to "adapt" as they can and then diastema is going to reduce (https://www.orthodontisteenligne.com/en/palatal-expansion-rapid-maxillary-expansion/). So, if the expansion is as slow as the expansion that TB gives you, the periodontal ligaments are going to respond to a more adecuate peace, and they wont separate and make an ugly diastema"

thanks for reading

Serious Why razul might have severe mental retardation

Jan 23, 2026

Guy still thinks thumbpulling works so imma go debunk for debunk with this Lil n***a, no fancy formatting here either

Thread music


Let's start off with this guys first point

"This is not very hard to debuk since he is not very well informed about what tp is about"

You clearly don't know either since you still believe it works

"would ur maxila colapse now since "decreased load=weaker bone"? I think not, since the sutures already adapted and now thats the "original" form of the bone."

Here he's discussing how an MSE once removed, he's right your maxilla wouldnt...

• trueceljester
• Replies: 19
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@Nbernical @trueceljester @Superior

 

[trueceljester]

i dont have words to describe him, but i do have words to describe how i feel about him; secondhand embarrasment.

This guy now says im mental retarded, so far i didnt remember if u had ever said a personal insult, but now i got disappointed lool

​

"He's saying thumbpulling works but just takes longer time although my original claim is the reason your maxilla doesn't go back to its original form because of an MSE is because the MSE is holding it in place, once you finish thumbpulling there's nothing stopping your maxilla going back to its original place"

i actually cover this in my tp method thread. basically, its true, u cant prevent ur maxilla from holding it into its place, but since you do it 10 times a day, you start to slowly mold ur palate to the the U shape, expanding the maxila as the mse does.

quoting my guide:
"And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force (2-4 pounds(1kg-1.8kg) after some hours, 0.1-1 pound(0.0445kg, 0.5kg) a day or two after) , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw)."
"HOWEVER, we do have mewing, which is not near to the MSE resting force, but is the most similar thing i could think about. When mewing the tongue applys 1 pound of force or 0.5 kg."

The argument is: U cant have the same retain force, but in compensation you do the routine 10x more than the mse activatio (per day)

​

you've also said you don't touch your teeth when thumpulling, anyone here let me know if you can put your thumb on the side of your palette without any of your thumb touching your teeth, you also recommended a thumpulling method for people with thin palattes where you put one thumb on top of the other, that'll 100% touch your teeth if the first one doesn't, most likely will tho.

I correct myself: U avoid putting pressure in your teeth (i thought it was a nobrainer).
Also in the video u are referring i explain that u put your thumbs aligned one to the other, not one on top of the other but rather behind or in front. i explain that in the guide and in the video


"If thumbpulling works how come all "results" never give people a gap in between their teeth, not even the SLIGHTEST gap?"

here i quote myself in a reply of the comment section of the guide i made:
"the diastema is oftenly a result od using a rapid maxilla expander, it does expand your palate like 20-60 times faster than tb. In tb you might expand about 2 milimeters in 10 months if you are dedicated.
The thing is that mse doesnt give the ligament that keeps your teeth together (the periodontal ligament i believe) enough time to adapt to the expansion of the palate, this ligament is elastic which means that after you develop diastema, from using MSE, your front incisorrs ae going to "adapt" as they can and then diastema is going to reduce (https://www.orthodontisteenligne.com/en/palatal-expansion-rapid-maxillary-expansion/). So, if the expansion is as slow as the expansion that TB gives you, the periodontal ligaments are going to respond to a more adecuate peace, and they wont separate and make an ugly diastema"

thanks for reading

Serious Why razul might have severe mental retardation

Jan 23, 2026

Guy still thinks thumbpulling works so imma go debunk for debunk with this Lil n***a, no fancy formatting here either

Thread music


Let's start off with this guys first point

"This is not very hard to debuk since he is not very well informed about what tp is about"

You clearly don't know either since you still believe it works

"would ur maxila colapse now since "decreased load=weaker bone"? I think not, since the sutures already adapted and now thats the "original" form of the bone."

Here he's discussing how an MSE once removed, he's right your maxilla wouldnt...

• trueceljester
• Replies: 19
• Forum: Off-Topic

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Spoiler: tags

@Nbernical @trueceljester @Superior

Holy shit this guys still going, IG if u wanna do this I'll farm more rep off a r****d

 

[tjlfmz]

yea you tell him

 

[2ANA]

dnr

 

[2ANA]

not a quark

 

[Krusty]

gimme a tldr

 

[trueceljester]

i dont have words to describe him, but i do have words to describe how i feel about him; secondhand embarrasment.

This guy now says im mental retarded, so far i didnt remember if u had ever said a personal insult, but now i got disappointed lool

​

"He's saying thumbpulling works but just takes longer time although my original claim is the reason your maxilla doesn't go back to its original form because of an MSE is because the MSE is holding it in place, once you finish thumbpulling there's nothing stopping your maxilla going back to its original place"

i actually cover this in my tp method thread. basically, its true, u cant prevent ur maxilla from holding it into its place, but since you do it 10 times a day, you start to slowly mold ur palate to the the U shape, expanding the maxila as the mse does.

quoting my guide:
"And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force (2-4 pounds(1kg-1.8kg) after some hours, 0.1-1 pound(0.0445kg, 0.5kg) a day or two after) , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw)."
"HOWEVER, we do have mewing, which is not near to the MSE resting force, but is the most similar thing i could think about. When mewing the tongue applys 1 pound of force or 0.5 kg."

The argument is: U cant have the same retain force, but in compensation you do the routine 10x more than the mse activatio (per day)

​

you've also said you don't touch your teeth when thumpulling, anyone here let me know if you can put your thumb on the side of your palette without any of your thumb touching your teeth, you also recommended a thumpulling method for people with thin palattes where you put one thumb on top of the other, that'll 100% touch your teeth if the first one doesn't, most likely will tho.

I correct myself: U avoid putting pressure in your teeth (i thought it was a nobrainer).
Also in the video u are referring i explain that u put your thumbs aligned one to the other, not one on top of the other but rather behind or in front. i explain that in the guide and in the video


"If thumbpulling works how come all "results" never give people a gap in between their teeth, not even the SLIGHTEST gap?"

here i quote myself in a reply of the comment section of the guide i made:
"the diastema is oftenly a result od using a rapid maxilla expander, it does expand your palate like 20-60 times faster than tb. In tb you might expand about 2 milimeters in 10 months if you are dedicated.
The thing is that mse doesnt give the ligament that keeps your teeth together (the periodontal ligament i believe) enough time to adapt to the expansion of the palate, this ligament is elastic which means that after you develop diastema, from using MSE, your front incisorrs ae going to "adapt" as they can and then diastema is going to reduce (https://www.orthodontisteenligne.com/en/palatal-expansion-rapid-maxillary-expansion/). So, if the expansion is as slow as the expansion that TB gives you, the periodontal ligaments are going to respond to a more adecuate peace, and they wont separate and make an ugly diastema"

thanks for reading

Serious Why razul might have severe mental retardation

Jan 23, 2026

Guy still thinks thumbpulling works so imma go debunk for debunk with this Lil n***a, no fancy formatting here either

Thread music


Let's start off with this guys first point

"This is not very hard to debuk since he is not very well informed about what tp is about"

You clearly don't know either since you still believe it works

"would ur maxila colapse now since "decreased load=weaker bone"? I think not, since the sutures already adapted and now thats the "original" form of the bone."

Here he's discussing how an MSE once removed, he's right your maxilla wouldnt...

• trueceljester
• Replies: 19
• Forum: Off-Topic

• 
• 

Spoiler: tags

@Nbernical @trueceljester @Superior

And you didn't even answer my questions, can you do anything right, smh

 

[Razul]

gimme a tldr

basically i owned him

 

[trueceljester]

basically i owned him

Son