Serious I dont beleive in the concepts of "good" and "evil"

[Deleted Member 121538]

I dont think there is a such thing as "good" and "evil". Nobody calls animals good or evil. Animals simply follow their natural instincts. They are not "evil" if they slaughter another animal. I personally never use the word "evil" to describe anything because how can anything be evil. I think evil is a social construct , you cannot smell evil , you cannot hear evil , you cannot look at evil , evil isnt an object , but you cant really describe evil either since it doesnt even have a clear definition. I think you should do whatever would benefit you the most in the long run. While I dont really beleive in good and evil , morals definetely do exist. You just cannot describe anyones morals with "good" or "evil".

You have a moral compass in your head , this moral compass in your head is the only set of rules you should listen to. Dont follow anyone elses morals , you shouldnt limit yourself by forcing yourself to follow laws or what society deems as "good". In nature if someone was a threat to you , you wouldnt want them to be alive , since they are a threat to your life and wellbeing. You would want them dead. There is nothing "evil" about killing. You should do whatever your natural insctints tell you to do , you will know whats right and whats wrong because your brain will invoke certain emotions into you to tell you what you should and shouldnt do. You should listen to these emotions and prioritize them over everyone elses , obviously dont just be a r****d , you need to actually think , dont just be some mindless ape. Do whatever benefits you most in the long run , you will treat the people you love with love and respect since those invoke very warm emotions into you , however if someone came up to you and hit you in the face to try and assert dominance over you , you should do what you naturally want to do regardless of whatever "rules" or "laws" your expected to follow. Get revenge on them and make them suffer if thats what you want to do.

Dont make them suffer , if it would make you feel guilty , as long as its actually YOUR guilt , you might think that you feel guilty or ashamed of yourself for an action because of how the majority of people react to it , obviously if you accidentally hurt people that you love then there is a good possibility that the shame could actually be real , but if its strangers you hurt , or people you dont like that you hurt , then in reality you dont actually feel guilty , you just feel scared , this feeling you get when the majority of people call you "evil" , "horrible" , "coward" , "loser" , its not actually because of the action itself , its because of the reaction of the public , thats why you should say "fuck society" and only care about your own tribe of people. The only judgements that matter are the judgements of people you actually give a fuck about. If you do something retarded and you know it , and then society makes fun of you because of your retardation , then in that case the shame would probably actually be real , since you did something retarded and you know it , therefore you would be ashamed of yourself.

 

[The Centipede]

Just kill anyone or anything that pisses you off.

 

[tami_26]

So if I’m a pedo and I think it’s fine it’s okay for me to be a pedo bcs nothing it good or bad

 

[Deleted Member 121538]

So if I’m a pedo and I think it’s fine it’s okay for me to be a pedo bcs nothing it good or bad

Pedophilia is a mental disorder , if your a pedophile , pedophilia is something your born woth and its not normal. Also you completely missed the point of my thread

 

[tami_26]

Pedophilia is a mental disorder , if your a pedophile , pedophilia is something your born woth and its not normal. Also you completely missed the point of my thread

I’m applying your train of thought

 

[Deleted Member 121538]

I’m applying your train of tought

Your a pedophile because you were born a pedophile , pedophilia is a mental condition that you are born with. You just got unlucky. Is it your fault if your a pedophile? Not really

 

[Unkown tea maker]

Alright almighty sigma wolf we all know it’s you hop off the alt

Pedophilia is a mental disorder , if your a pedophile , pedophilia is something your born woth and its not normal. Also you completely missed the point of my thread

 

[tami_26]

So if u act on your pedo urges its not good or bad

 

[Deleted Member 121538]

So if u act on your pedo urges its not good or bad

You cannot call it "evil" , if a pedophile acted on their urges and molested my child , I would kill them , but would I call them "evil" for molesting my child? No. Obviously if your a child molester 99% of people are going to want to kill you because of logical reasoning. Are they "evil" because they want to kill him? No , its purely just logical reasoning. Now the level of logical reasoning varies greatly between people based on their iq and eq evels. I would say the majority of pedophiles who get caught for molesting pre pubescent children are probably not very high iq. Also I never mentioned the word "bad" I mentioned the word "evil"

 

[Byro]

I dont think there is a such thing as "good" and "evil". Nobody calls animals good or evil. Animals simply follow their natural instincts. They are not "evil" if they slaughter another animal. I personally never use the word "evil" to describe anything because how can anything be evil. I think evil is a social construct , you cannot smell evil , you cannot hear evil , you cannot look at evil , evil isnt an object , but you cant really describe evil either since it doesnt even have a clear definition. I think you should do whatever would benefit you the most in the long run. While I dont really beleive in good and evil , morals definetely do exist. You just cannot describe anyones morals with "good" or "evil".

You have a moral compass in your head , this moral compass in your head is the only set of rules you should listen to. Dont follow anyone elses morals , you shouldnt limit yourself by forcing yourself to follow laws or what society deems as "good". In nature if someone was a threat to you , you wouldnt want them to be alive , since they are a threat to your life and wellbeing. You would want them dead. There is nothing "evil" about killing. You should do whatever your natural insctints tell you to do , you will know whats right and whats wrong because your brain will invoke certain emotions into you to tell you what you should and shouldnt do. You should listen to these emotions and prioritize them over everyone elses , obviously dont just be a r****d , you need to actually think , dont just be some mindless ape. Do whatever benefits you most in the long run , you will treat the people you love with love and respect since those invoke very warm emotions into you , however if someone came up to you and hit you in the face to try and assert dominance over you , you should do what you naturally want to do regardless of whatever "rules" or "laws" your expected to follow. Get revenge on them and make them suffer if thats what you want to do.

Dont make them suffer , if it would make you feel guilty , as long as its actually YOUR guilt , you might think that you feel guilty or ashamed of yourself for an action because of how the majority of people react to it , obviously if you accidentally hurt people that you love then there is a good possibility that the shame could actually be real , but if its strangers you hurt , or people you dont like that you hurt , then in reality you dont actually feel guilty , you just feel scared , this feeling you get when the majority of people call you "evil" , "horrible" , "coward" , "loser" , its not actually because of the action itself , its because of the reaction of the public , thats why you should say "fuck society" and only care about your own tribe of people. The only judgements that matter are the judgements of people you actually give a fuck about. If you do something retarded and you know it , and then society makes fun of you because of your retardation , then in that case the shame would probably actually be real , since you did something retarded and you know it , therefore you would be ashamed of yourself.

Water

 

[esex]

i understand that both good and evil are somewhat subjective concepts but following the literal definition of the two words there is an objective baseline that immoral = evil and moral = good

i think it's pretty easy to get an easy idea of things that can be considered "immoral" and "moral" considering that often times they're pretty basic ideas that have been instilled into our brains at a young age. but when things get more nuanced that's when the lines become very blurry

in one of your examples you conflate murder and general killing and make it seem as though just because somethings can have a justified reason it means that all things related to that must be fully evil or fully good which doesn't really make sense in my eyes. morals are going to be a lot more nuanced than just "good" and "evil" at times and that doesn't mean they don't exist. if morals were never instilled into our society, we would be a barbaric species which we are not thanks to our intelligence.

i personally think that both concepts do exist it's just not as clear and cutdry as i'd imagine you want it to be

 

[Deleted Member 85516]

I dont think there is a such thing as "good" and "evil". Nobody calls animals good or evil. Animals simply follow their natural instincts. They are not "evil" if they slaughter another animal. I personally never use the word "evil" to describe anything because how can anything be evil. I think evil is a social construct , you cannot smell evil , you cannot hear evil , you cannot look at evil , evil isnt an object , but you cant really describe evil either since it doesnt even have a clear definition. I think you should do whatever would benefit you the most in the long run. While I dont really beleive in good and evil , morals definetely do exist. You just cannot describe anyones morals with "good" or "evil".

You have a moral compass in your head , this moral compass in your head is the only set of rules you should listen to. Dont follow anyone elses morals , you shouldnt limit yourself by forcing yourself to follow laws or what society deems as "good". In nature if someone was a threat to you , you wouldnt want them to be alive , since they are a threat to your life and wellbeing. You would want them dead. There is nothing "evil" about killing. You should do whatever your natural insctints tell you to do , you will know whats right and whats wrong because your brain will invoke certain emotions into you to tell you what you should and shouldnt do. You should listen to these emotions and prioritize them over everyone elses , obviously dont just be a r****d , you need to actually think , dont just be some mindless ape. Do whatever benefits you most in the long run , you will treat the people you love with love and respect since those invoke very warm emotions into you , however if someone came up to you and hit you in the face to try and assert dominance over you , you should do what you naturally want to do regardless of whatever "rules" or "laws" your expected to follow. Get revenge on them and make them suffer if thats what you want to do.

Dont make them suffer , if it would make you feel guilty , as long as its actually YOUR guilt , you might think that you feel guilty or ashamed of yourself for an action because of how the majority of people react to it , obviously if you accidentally hurt people that you love then there is a good possibility that the shame could actually be real , but if its strangers you hurt , or people you dont like that you hurt , then in reality you dont actually feel guilty , you just feel scared , this feeling you get when the majority of people call you "evil" , "horrible" , "coward" , "loser" , its not actually because of the action itself , its because of the reaction of the public , thats why you should say "fuck society" and only care about your own tribe of people. The only judgements that matter are the judgements of people you actually give a fuck about. If you do something retarded and you know it , and then society makes fun of you because of your retardation , then in that case the shame would probably actually be real , since you did something retarded and you know it , therefore you would be ashamed of yourself.

water

 

[Deleted Member 121538]

i understand that both good and evil are somewhat subjective concepts but following the literal definition of the two words there is an objective baseline that immoral = evil and moral = good

i think it's pretty easy to get an easy idea of things that can be considered "immoral" and "moral" considering that often times they're pretty basic ideas that have been instilled into our brains at a young age. but when things get more nuanced that's when the lines become very blurry

in one of your examples you conflate murder and general killing and make it seem as though just because somethings can have a justified reason it means that all things related to that must be fully evil or fully good which doesn't really make sense in my eyes. morals are going to be a lot more nuanced than just "good" and "evil" at times and that doesn't mean they don't exist. if morals were never instilled into our society, we would be a barbaric species which we are not thanks to our intelligence.

i personally think that both concepts do exist it's just not as clear and cutdry as i'd imagine you want it to be

Morals definetely do exist. What im saying is the word "evil" doesnt mean anything , it just kinda means whatever the majority deem as bad. The word "evil" is a useless word because it describes nothing. If you cannot use the word "evil" to describe anything then "evil" is a useless word. You can describe things that you dont like in 1 million different ways that actually make sense. "Evil" is just a word that lazy people use because they cannot actually explain why they disagree with something so they just call it "evil".
If you disagree with something you should give a logical argument as to why you disagree with that thing. Certainly things can be either "beneficial" or "bad" for a family or tribe or society when you look at how it affects everyone. Does that mean that anyone who make society worse for their own benefit is "evil". Are robbers evil? Are black people in gangs evil since they dont benefit society? Would you say that billionaires are "evil" I know you said "evil" is a complicated word but can you try and define it to me , and then describe the most evil person you can possibly think of and tell me why their evil. It can be a real human or you can make your own "evil human" up if youd like.

 

[esex]

Morals definetely do exist. What im saying is the word "evil" doesnt mean anything , it just kinda means whatever the majority deem as bad. The word "evil" is a useless word because it describes nothing. If you cannot use the word "evil" to describe anything then "evil" is a useless word. You can describe things that you dont like in 1 million different ways that actually make sense. "Evil" is just a word that lazy people use because they cannot actually explain why they disagree with something so they just call it "evil".
If you disagree with something you should give a logical argument as to why you disagree with that thing. Certainly things can be either "beneficial" or "bad" for a family or tribe or society when you look at how it affects everyone. Does that mean that anyone who make society worse for their own benefit is "evil". Are robbers evil? Are black people in gangs evil since they dont benefit society? Would you say that billionaires are "evil" I know you said "evil" is a complicated word but can you try and define it to me , and then describe the most evil person you can possibly think of and tell me why their evil. It can be a real human or you can make your own "evil human" up if youd like.

Hitler killed and tortured jews

There is a point where the harm caused greatly exceeds any possible justification. I agree with you in the sense that evil is a very vague word but I do not think that it's meaningless because of its simplicity. I believe the world "evil" gets depreciated by more accurate terms whenever dealing with nuanced topics because the word "evil" and "good" oftentimes sounds like something out of fiction and lacks much depth. it's the type of word that describes a reprehensible individual with no redeeming qualities, something akin to a purely destructive psychopath, the type of word that can be in a literary device to demonstrate somebody truly despicable. Such a thing isn't so common amongst people in the real world however which is why I say it fits better in fiction. Simple but vague words like "evil" and "good" are extremely useful because they're easy to understand. If you can call something evil 99% of the time people will understand that you mean something bad and from then on you can expand on it further. People who label things "evil" without any reasoning shouldn't be used to represent what the word is used for.

With the examples you provided, no, robbers are not evil black people in gang violence are not inherently evil but commit acts of evil and billionaires are a lot more nuanced and whenever you hear libtards talking about "evil billionaires" it's oftentimes used for it's metaphorical value rather than literal meaning. I think they're somewhat evil though. I don't think that because something is hard to describe with a word suddenly it means the word is meaningless. Perhaps your point is that the word has began to lose it's meaning due to the culture of sensational social media content? I think that if there is a justification for what they do (broke people who need money) then you can pass off a sense of pity and it somewhat lowers the "evilness" of the person. To reiterate, sometimes there are times where the harm caused greatly exceeds any possible justifcation. e.g. if a robber killed people for their money

I think if you can see morals and understand they exist, it should be possible to see things that can be categorised as "good" and "evil" and it shouldn't matter if it's what the majority think since that's how morals work aswell. Think of the concept as a spectrum rather than two distinct thought processes. The thing about your argument is that you're fixated on trying to fit everything into one definition which isn't possible. If something leans towards closer towards what is used as an understanding of evil it's natural that people will call it evil and vice versa.

 

[Deleted Member 121538]

Hitler killed and tortured jews

There is a point where the harm caused greatly exceeds any possible justification. I agree with you in the sense that evil is a very vague word but I do not think that it's meaningless because of its simplicity. I believe the world "evil" gets depreciated by more accurate terms whenever dealing with nuanced topics because the word "evil" and "good" oftentimes sounds like something out of fiction and lacks much depth. it's the type of word that describes a reprehensible individual with no redeeming qualities, something akin to a purely destructive psychopath, the type of word that can be in a literary device to demonstrate somebody truly despicable. Such a thing isn't so common amongst people in the real world however which is why I say it fits better in fiction. Simple but vague words like "evil" and "good" are extremely useful because they're easy to understand. If you can call something evil 99% of the time people will understand that you mean something bad and from then on you can expand on it further. People who label things "evil" without any reasoning shouldn't be used to represent what the word is used for.

With the examples you provided, no, robbers are not evil black people in gang violence are not inherently evil but commit acts of evil and billionaires are a lot more nuanced and whenever you hear libtards talking about "evil billionaires" it's oftentimes used for it's metaphorical value rather than literal meaning. I think they're somewhat evil though. I don't think that because something is hard to describe with a word suddenly it means the word is meaningless. Perhaps your point is that the word has began to lose it's meaning due to the culture of sensational social media content? I think that if there is a justification for what they do (broke people who need money) then you can pass off a sense of pity and it somewhat lowers the "evilness" of the person. To reiterate, sometimes there are times where the harm caused greatly exceeds any possible justifcation. e.g. if a robber killed people for their money

I think if you can see morals and understand they exist, it should be possible to see things that can be categorised as "good" and "evil" and it shouldn't matter if it's what the majority think since that's how morals work aswell. Think of the concept as a spectrum rather than two distinct thought processes. The thing about your argument is that you're fixated on trying to fit everything into one definition which isn't possible. If something leans towards closer towards what is used as an understanding of evil it's natural that people will call it evil and vice versa.

How would you feel if I were to say "out of every single human in history not a single one of them was evil" would you agree with that? Not an argument , im just curious to see what your response would be , and do you think that only actions themselves should be described as "evil" ? I would like to read what you have to say

 

[esex]

How would you feel if I were to say "out of every single human in history not a single one of them was evil" would you agree with that? Not an argument , im just curious to see what your response would be , and do you think that only actions themselves should be described as "evil" ? I would like to read what you have to say

I wouldn't be able to agree because even if the number is few I don't think the odds are in favour of that argument.

 

[Deleted Member 121538]

I wouldn't be able to agree because even if the number is few I don't think the odds are in favour of that argument.

Ok , ill leave it that brochado , good talk
lets agree to disagree

 

[omgbbgg]

I dont think there is a such thing as "good" and "evil". Nobody calls animals good or evil. Animals simply follow their natural instincts. They are not "evil" if they slaughter another animal. I personally never use the word "evil" to describe anything because how can anything be evil. I think evil is a social construct , you cannot smell evil , you cannot hear evil , you cannot look at evil , evil isnt an object , but you cant really describe evil either since it doesnt even have a clear definition. I think you should do whatever would benefit you the most in the long run. While I dont really beleive in good and evil , morals definetely do exist. You just cannot describe anyones morals with "good" or "evil".

You have a moral compass in your head , this moral compass in your head is the only set of rules you should listen to. Dont follow anyone elses morals , you shouldnt limit yourself by forcing yourself to follow laws or what society deems as "good". In nature if someone was a threat to you , you wouldnt want them to be alive , since they are a threat to your life and wellbeing. You would want them dead. There is nothing "evil" about killing. You should do whatever your natural insctints tell you to do , you will know whats right and whats wrong because your brain will invoke certain emotions into you to tell you what you should and shouldnt do. You should listen to these emotions and prioritize them over everyone elses , obviously dont just be a r****d , you need to actually think , dont just be some mindless ape. Do whatever benefits you most in the long run , you will treat the people you love with love and respect since those invoke very warm emotions into you , however if someone came up to you and hit you in the face to try and assert dominance over you , you should do what you naturally want to do regardless of whatever "rules" or "laws" your expected to follow. Get revenge on them and make them suffer if thats what you want to do.

Dont make them suffer , if it would make you feel guilty , as long as its actually YOUR guilt , you might think that you feel guilty or ashamed of yourself for an action because of how the majority of people react to it , obviously if you accidentally hurt people that you love then there is a good possibility that the shame could actually be real , but if its strangers you hurt , or people you dont like that you hurt , then in reality you dont actually feel guilty , you just feel scared , this feeling you get when the majority of people call you "evil" , "horrible" , "coward" , "loser" , its not actually because of the action itself , its because of the reaction of the public , thats why you should say "fuck society" and only care about your own tribe of people. The only judgements that matter are the judgements of people you actually give a fuck about. If you do something retarded and you know it , and then society makes fun of you because of your retardation , then in that case the shame would probably actually be real , since you did something retarded and you know it , therefore you would be ashamed of yourself.

You live in a society so you will follow it's rules, if you don't like that respectfully fk off and live in the forest or something.