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There's a mechanism I encounter in couples, more specifically, a dynamic I see in women, from just classmates to mothers and wives: women's frustrations build up, and they find a therapeutic way to release this pressure on their men: they do an aggressive discursive domination, in which a series of humiliations are performed under a defensive background that allows her to do this without the man rebelling, the husband don't emotionally react for fear of being a "shouting man, an angry man violating a woman," or in fear of worsen the woman's behavior which leads him to accumulate psychological frustration and release that by punching walls and other therapeutic actions which are immediately repressed by the women via the same strategies and emotional manipulation. For the women, this is therapeutic, she is releasing her frustration of something in that men and is controlling him, but it is also abusive against the men. In the long term, the men becomes depressed, frustrated, more fragile to being abused by other people...

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Defining Coercive Control​

The term was pioneered by sociologist Evan Stark. He argues it is not just "emotional abuse" but a broader course of conduct that entraps a partner, erodes their autonomy, and subjugates them. It's the underlying pattern that creates a climate of fear and compliance, even without constant violence.


Common Tactics of Coercive Control (with Female-Perpetrated Examples)​

The following tactics are core to coercive control. The examples illustrate how they might appear when used by a female partner against a male partner.

1. Isolation​

This is often the first step: cutting off the victim from their support system.

  • How it can manifest:
    • Emotional Blackmail: "Your friends are a bad influence. If you really loved me, you'd choose to spend time with me instead of them."
    • Creating Drama: Starting arguments or becoming "sick" right before social events, forcing him to cancel plans and making it seem like he is unreliable or uncaring to his friends and family.
    • Denigrating His Relationships: Constantly criticizing his family ("your mother is toxic") or friends ("he's just using you") to create doubt and distance.
    • Monitoring & Restricting: Controlling his phone, car keys, or finances to physically prevent him from seeing others.

2. Regulation & Imposed Rigidity​

The perpetrator micromanages the victim's daily life, stripping away their autonomy.

  • How it can manifest:
    • Domestic Standards: Enforcing impossible standards of cleanliness or childcare, then criticizing his every effort as "incompetent" or "not good enough," making him feel like a failure as a partner and father.
    • Financial Control: While often male-perpetrated, a woman might control finances by running up debt in his name, demanding his paycheck while providing no transparency, or using financial dependence (e.g., if he is the primary earner) as a tool of obligation and guilt.
    • "Helplessness" as Control: Feigning incompetence (e.g., "I just can't do taxes/budgeting/car repairs") to force him into handling all stressful responsibilities, then criticizing how he handles them.

3. Degradation & Humiliation​

Systematically attacking the victim's self-esteem to make them feel worthless and easier to control.

  • How it can manifest:
    • Public and Private Criticism: Belittling his intelligence, career, parenting skills, or masculinity in front of others or in private. "You're so useless. I have to do everything myself."
    • Using His Vulnerabilities Against Him: If he has opened up about insecurities (e.g., about his body, sexual performance, or a past failure), she weaponizes this information during arguments to cause maximum pain.
    • The "Crazy" Narrative: Labeling his legitimate emotional reactions to her abuse as "anger issues," "irrationality," or "being crazy." This is a powerful form of gaslighting that makes him doubt his own sanity and prevents him from being seen as a victim.

4. Threats and Intimidation​

Using implied or direct threats to create compliance.

  • How it can manifest:
    • Threats to the Relationship: The most common: "If you don't do X, I will leave you and you'll never see the kids again." This preys on his love for his children.
    • Legal and Systemic Threats: Leveraging systemic biases. Threatening to make false allegations of abuse or violence to police or social services, knowing he fears he will not be believed.
    • Self-Harm Threats: "If you leave me, I'll kill myself," placing the responsibility for her well-being entirely on him.

5. Control Through "Care" and Denial of Agency​

This is a particularly insidious tactic where control is disguised as concern or love.

  • How it can manifest:
    • Medicalizing His Behavior: Insisting he has a mental health issue (e.g., ADHD, depression, autism) that "explains" why he is "difficult," and then using that as a reason to manage his life, often without a formal diagnosis or against his will.
    • "I'm Only Doing This For You": Framing controlling behavior (e.g., restricting his spending, choosing his clothes) as being for his own good because he is "bad" at it.

Why This is Particularly Challenging for Male Victims (The Therapeutic Perspective)​

  1. Social Stigma and Shame: The societal script says men should be strong, in control, and able to "handle" their partners. Admitting to being controlled and emotionally abused by a woman can feel emasculating and lead to profound shame, preventing help-seeking.
  2. Lack of Recognition: Friends, family, law enforcement, and even therapists may not recognize the signs because they don't fit the stereotypical model of abuse. The man may be perceived as "henpecked" or weak rather than victimized.
  3. The "Helpless" Perpetrator: The abuser may expertly play the role of the vulnerable, anxious, or "hysterical" woman, making him appear to be the source of the problem when he reacts with frustration or anger.
  4. Systemic Biases: The legitimate fear that if he reports her or the situation escalates, authorities will automatically side with the woman.

The Role of Couple Therapy​

Important Note: Couples therapy is generally contraindicated in situations of coercive control. The power imbalance means the perpetrator can use therapy to:

  • Gather more information to weaponize later.
  • Charm the therapist and reinforce their narrative that the victim is the problem.
  • Force the victim to "be honest" in session, only to punish them for it later.
The correct therapeutic pathway is individual therapy for the victim to recognize the abuse, rebuild self-esteem, and create a safety plan. Perpetrator intervention programs are separate and specific to addressing abusive behavior patterns.

In summary, the coercive control perpetrated by women against men follows the same core pattern as all coercive control: it is a campaign of domination that entraps a person by limiting their access to liberty, resources, and support. The tactics are often tailored to exploit social gender norms and the specific vulnerabilities of the male partner.
 

Short-term effects​


You might be in denial at first. It can be shocking to find yourself in such a situation. It’s natural to hope you’re wrong.
You may also have feelings of:
  • confusion
  • fear
  • hopelessness
  • shame
This emotional toll can also result in behavioral and physical side effects. You may experience:
  • difficulty concentrating
  • moodiness
  • muscle tension
  • nightmares
  • racing heartbeat
  • various aches and pains
 
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As with adults, emotional abuse of children can go unrecognized.
If a child is experiencing emotional abuse, they may develop:
If left unresolved, these conditions can continue into adulthood and leave you vulnerable to more mistreatment.
Most children who are abused don’t grow up to abuse others. But some research suggests that they may be more likely than adults who weren’t abused during childhood to engage in toxic behaviors.
Adults who were abused or neglected as children may also be more likely to develop chronic health problems, including:
 
Other symptoms of PTSD include:
  • angry outbursts
  • being easily startled
  • negative thoughts
  • insomnia
  • nightmares
  • reliving the trauma (flashbacks) and experiencing physical symptoms such as rapid heartbeat
 
Keep asking questions
 
Reasoning with an abuser is tempting, but unlikely to work. Remember, you’re not responsible for someone else’s behavior.
But you can set boundaries. Start refusing to engage in unreasonable arguments. Let them know you’ll no longer respond to or overlook verbal abuse.
Limit your exposure to the abuser as much as possible. If you travel in the same social circles, you might have to make some difficult decisions. If you can’t avoid the person altogether, try to keep it down to situations where there are other people around.
Then, when you’re ready, cut all ties if you can. Breaking things off with your abuser can be complicated in some situations, like if you live with them, have children together, or are dependent on them in some way.
 
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In 2010, data from the Centers for Disease Control and PreventionTrusted Source found that 43.8 percent of lesbians and 61 percent of bisexual women had experienced domestic violence. The same survey also found that 26 percent of gay men and 37 percent of bisexual men were victims of domestic violence.

WOMEN ARE THE MAIN ABUSERS, WAKE THE FUCK UP
 
Sentimentality, hope for change, or "love" are not reasons to tolerate a violation of your borders.

Against Emotional Blackmail: Her greatest weapon is your fear of losing the relationship. Your defense is to become truly okay with that outcome.
Against Isolation:
Build and maintain your own power base. Nurture friendships, family ties, and professional networks outside of her influence. This makes you less dependent on her for validation and support.
Against Financial Control: Maintain financial independence and transparency. Have your own accounts and assets. This prevents you from being trapped by economic necessity.
 
  • The Male Stereotype: The societal script that men should be "strong, stoic, and in control" makes it incredibly difficult for male victims to be taken seriously. An abuser may intuitively understand that her male partner is less likely to report her, less likely to be believed if he does, and will face emasculation and shame.
  • The Female Stereotype: The perception of women as "nurturing, passive, and weak" creates a powerful smokescreen. An abusive woman can often weaponize this stereotype
  • Because society is less likely to recognize female-perpetrated abuse and systems (like law enforcement) are often biased towards viewing men as perpetrators, abusive women may operate with a sense of impunity. They correctly assess that there is a low risk of any meaningful consequence for their actions.
 
the husband don't emotionally react for fear of being a "shouting man, an angry man violating a woman," or in fear of worsen the woman's behavior
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I need a woman to manipulate and abuse me tbh
 
Perhaps a form of thrill seeking. The feminine, as you might have noticed is chaos. Untamed and ferocious. It seeks thrill constantly, and thus a challenge is represented to the male in such a scenario. Many times, it's actually a test to see if the male still holds dominance over the relationship or not..
 
@Wilk good thread.

Autism and Psychopathy manifest when a child is being pushed out of the empathic connection with his parents who either overwhelm their child with violence and thus shutdown their access to co-relating empathy or take their chance to develop their ability of receiving empathic signals by throwing their responsibility to show guilt and responsibility for wrongdoings on the child. The child then has to carry around that burden which is brutal.

ADHD a lack of care and consistent support without judgement.

Thats just of the cuff youre thread presents a good framework for understanding
 
Perhaps a form of thrill seeking. The feminine, as you might have noticed is chaos. Untamed and ferocious. It seeks thrill constantly, and thus a challenge is represented to the male in such a scenario. Many times, it's actually a test to see if the male still holds dominance over the relationship or not..
That mythology of women being a chaos force is merely a reflection of the impression that men used to have about women which was a result of their lack of comprehension about them.

The ideal of tests and the mithologial men overcoming it hides and normalizes the constant abuse that he suffers and spread a fake promise of "fixing it".
 
The Two Types of Aggression

1. Overt Aggression (The "Straight Stab"):
· Easy to Identify: Physical violence, clear threats ("I will kill you"), public screaming, destroying property.
· Easy to Document: Bruises, broken objects, police reports, witnesses.
· Societally Condemned: There is a clear legal and social framework (however imperfect) for responding to this.
2. Covert Aggression (The "Grey Area"):
· Hard to Identify: It's insidious, often disguised as something else (concern, love, humor, helplessness). Its power is in the pattern, not the single act.
· Hard to Document: How do you document a tone of voice, a rolled eye, a "joke" that isn't funny, a strategically deployed sigh, or a feeling of being constantly watched and criticized?
· Societally Ambiguous: These tactics often fly under the radar. They are dismissed as "nagging," "being bitchy," "dramatic," or "high-maintenance"—terms that minimize their abusive impact.
 
These are some tools of the covert aggressor:

· Gaslighting: Subtly denying your reality. ("I never said that," "You're remembering it wrong," "You're crazy.").
· Backhanded Compliments & "Jokes": "You're actually pretty smart for a guy who..." "It's so cute that you even tried to cook."
· Undermining and Criticism: Constant, low-grade criticism about your driving, your clothes, your hobbies, your friends, your career.
· Relational Aggression: Turning others against you, sharing private information to make you look bad, forming alliances within your social circle.
· Jokes at Your Expense: Using humor as a vehicle for contempt, then accusing you of having no sense of humor if you object.
· Moving the Goalposts: No matter what you do, the standards change so you can never succeed or be "good enough."
· You clean the entire house. They point out one tiny spot you missed and say, "See? You can't do anything right."
· Triangulation: Bringing a third party into the relationship dynamic to validate the aggressor and invalidate the victim.
· Flirting with someone else in front of you to provoke jealousy and insecurity.





· Contemptuous Body Language: Non-verbal signals that convey disgust and disdain, which are incredibly corrosive.
· The eye-roll.
· The deep, exasperated sigh when you enter a room or speak.
· The smirk or sneer.
· Checking their phone or appearing bored while you are talking.
· Strategic Inconvenience: Subtle actions designed to disrupt your life.
· "Accidentally" losing something important of yours.
· Being chronically late to events that are important to you.
· Making noise when they know you need quiet to work or sleep.





· Shaming and Guilt-Tripping: Using shame to control your behavior.
· "A real man would be able to fix this."
· "If you really loved me, you wouldn't want to go out with your friends tonight."
· "After everything I've done for you, this is how you repay me?"
· Boundary Testing & Erosion: Constantly pushing small boundaries to see what they can get away with, like water slowly eroding a rock.
· They borrow a small amount of money and "forget" to pay it back. Then they ask for more.
· They show up 10 minutes late, then 20, then an hour, normalizing disrespect for your time.
· Love Bombing & Intermittent Reinforcement: Overwhelming you with affection, attention, and gifts after a period of abuse or withdrawal. This creates a addictive cycle of reward and punishment that makes it extremely hard to leave.





The unifying theme of all covert aggression is plausible deniability. When confronted, the aggressor will always have a ready-made excuse: "It was a joke," "You're too sensitive," "I Didn't Mean It That Way," "I was just trying to help."

The goal is never to win the argument about their intent. The goal is to recognize the impact on you (feeling diminished, disrespected, and confused) and to respond by protecting your peace, often by DISENGAGING.
 
Did you write this all by yourself? If so what authors did you read to gain such a gold understanding?

Before you get all blackpilled about this. The flip side of the coin is that you can change the perspective on this and learn from your own behaviour what made you attract the abuse. Otherwise you can fall into the trap of subconciously trying to please the abuser or compete with the abuser.

Or in other words the name of the game is creating envy by being more social infront of the of the abuser, getting on good terms with their superiors and praising them. That pushes the abuser back into a childhood state of insecurity where they feel low self-worth.

That is a pattern that works on the micro as well as the macro. It‘s how advertising works. It‘s how the state is being run.

It‘s a tragedy but it is inevitable when you have psychopaths on top of impersonal hierarchies.
 
giving one more chance for dudes to discover this
 
If one is stupid enough to be emotionally manipulated, one deserves whatever comes tbh.
 
If one is stupid enough to be emotionally manipulated, one deserves whatever comes tbh.
Unless youre child and your single mother is a worthless negative cynical pig
 
Unless youre child and your single mother is a worthless negative cynical pig
Yes, of course totally different if you're a trapped child.
 

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