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one of the studies Goatis/sv3rige cites in his video is the pottengers cats study video:
I wanted to use the video, but I prefer actual written documents to analyze
so I wanted to look further into it, as the video/documentary made it extremely drastic, despite the cats just switching from raw to cooked foods
also, interesting how the grass is a symbol of a nutrient deficiency, and the cats don't consume it when the grass is properly consumed
first off, finding this study is impossible when its a fucking book
the only thing I could find on PubMed is this paywalled article in german: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14366575/
except there's literally nothing there lmao, not even an abstract
off that purely, the fact its not an actual study but a book lowers its credibility significantly
finally, I found this pdf: https://www.ectownusa.net/mineralcountynevada/docs/Potenger's Cats book review.pdf
it seems to be another review, so still not the full thing (I am NOT paying for that book)
while the differences in the different groups of cats are clear, it's still somewhat of an exaggeration of how quickly it can occur
here's the types of diets the groups consumed, and there were actually two studies
one was raw meat vs cooked meat. the other raw milk vs other types of milk
raw meat study
group 1:
Raw Diet (2/3 raw meat, 1/3 raw milk, cod liver oil)
group 2:
Cooked Diet (2/3 cooked meat, 1/3 raw milk, cod liver oil)
raw milk study
raw milk
pasteurized milk
evaporated milk
sweetened condensed milk
there were giga drastic changes lol:
the raw meat group cats were giga healthy, happy healthy good kitties
as for the other groups:
not quite
firstly, with 900 cats throughout the entire experiment, there is a possibility that inbreeding occurred, due to lack of genetic diversity which can lead to an exaggerated effect of the changes within the cats throughout all of the generations
next thing is that, the proportions of these things were exactly the same across the board, despite it obviously being known that cooked things have less nutrients and CALORIES
basically, the cats were deprived of nutrients that they still could have potentially obtained if they consumed more food in theory (or just calories but yeah)
this lead to a very exaggerated fact and having skeletal and craniofacial deformities almost right off the bat
this is why it makes it hard to conclude if its really an issue with the nutrients or about the calories
equal proportions =/ equal caloric content
while nutrient factors are important, the blatant caloric and nutrient malnutrition from the lack of excess food isn't accounted for in the study, making it flawed
it still shows the examples of deterioration over generations, but its unlikely for these things to happen as quickly as they did in the experiments with the cats, which is making me lean to it moreso being a fear mongering study
the AVMA recommends AGAINST raw pet food diet, but this is likely because people are retards that would go to their local supermarket for raw organs for their pets
, and its better to recommend against it for their own safety as an association
(jk)
there are also massive differences in humans vs cats, although they are both carnivorous, humans have a much broader diet and cant exactly be compared to them
humans have adapted significantly (their natural diet is still ideal but ye)
there are fortified foods, other preventative measures taken, but people still likely wont follow them because the majority of people are RETARDED
so what should you take away from this?
is a raw food diet as necessary as he made it seem?
Well, slightly, but its not that drastic
Nutrients are vital, but there are other ways for them to be obtained
vegetables exist, however there are anti nutrients and plant toxins but mainstream science still recommends them (lol)
can cooked food be as effective?
I'd say yes. there are ways to cook food that allows for most of the nutrients to remain, and the health of the food you consumes matters much more if you consume it raw or not
for example, an egg in a pasture raised country farm, even when cooked, is going to be way more useful than a raw city caged, gmo fed egg
I'd say, as long as you are getting in animal based foods from good sources , you are doing good and if you plan to be a parent your kids should be relatively healthy
there are risks of pathogens and parasites, which unfortunately sv3rige didn't cover in his video well (IMO)
here are some primal diet reasoning if its worth the risk or not, but its ultimately up to you
parasites: https://theprimalparent.com/2011/11/14/symbiotic-relationship-with-parasites/
pathogens: https://theprimalparent.com/2013/05/16/ecoli-salmonella-tapeworms/
tldr:
raw meat: https://theprimalparent.com/2011/04/06/it-is-safe-to-eat-raw-meat/
aajonus.net
arguments against raw meat and foods: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10779077/
literally every mainstream outlet and science related thing ever
google.com too
while its good to try it out, please do research before attempting
ill cover the transformations he put at the end of the video another time, but here were my thoughts on the seemingly life changing study.
TLDR; The cats experienced many changes that could provoke people to do this immediately without studying before hand in hopes of a transformation for them or their potential children
However, its not this BAD
@osteochondromyxoma @N30N @Quncho @sigma @Clone
I wanted to use the video, but I prefer actual written documents to analyze
so I wanted to look further into it, as the video/documentary made it extremely drastic, despite the cats just switching from raw to cooked foods
also, interesting how the grass is a symbol of a nutrient deficiency, and the cats don't consume it when the grass is properly consumed
first off, finding this study is impossible when its a fucking book
the only thing I could find on PubMed is this paywalled article in german: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14366575/
except there's literally nothing there lmao, not even an abstract
off that purely, the fact its not an actual study but a book lowers its credibility significantly
finally, I found this pdf: https://www.ectownusa.net/mineralcountynevada/docs/Potenger's Cats book review.pdf
it seems to be another review, so still not the full thing (I am NOT paying for that book)
while the differences in the different groups of cats are clear, it's still somewhat of an exaggeration of how quickly it can occur
here's the types of diets the groups consumed, and there were actually two studies
one was raw meat vs cooked meat. the other raw milk vs other types of milk
raw meat study
group 1:
Raw Diet (2/3 raw meat, 1/3 raw milk, cod liver oil)
group 2:
Cooked Diet (2/3 cooked meat, 1/3 raw milk, cod liver oil)
raw milk study
raw milk
pasteurized milk
evaporated milk
sweetened condensed milk
there were giga drastic changes lol:
the raw meat group cats were giga healthy, happy healthy good kitties
as for the other groups:
- Decreased fertility and reproductive issues (birth defects, stillbirths, premature deaths).
- Weak immune systems (increased susceptibility to infections and diseases).
- Physical deformities and growth problems (stunted growth, skeletal deformities, hair loss).
- Behavioral issues (lethargy, aggression, fearfulness).
- Degeneration over generations (progressive weakness and failure to reproduce in later generations).
- Poor dental health (tooth decay, gum disease, tooth loss)
not quite
firstly, with 900 cats throughout the entire experiment, there is a possibility that inbreeding occurred, due to lack of genetic diversity which can lead to an exaggerated effect of the changes within the cats throughout all of the generations
next thing is that, the proportions of these things were exactly the same across the board, despite it obviously being known that cooked things have less nutrients and CALORIES
basically, the cats were deprived of nutrients that they still could have potentially obtained if they consumed more food in theory (or just calories but yeah)
this lead to a very exaggerated fact and having skeletal and craniofacial deformities almost right off the bat
this is why it makes it hard to conclude if its really an issue with the nutrients or about the calories
equal proportions =/ equal caloric content
while nutrient factors are important, the blatant caloric and nutrient malnutrition from the lack of excess food isn't accounted for in the study, making it flawed
it still shows the examples of deterioration over generations, but its unlikely for these things to happen as quickly as they did in the experiments with the cats, which is making me lean to it moreso being a fear mongering study
the AVMA recommends AGAINST raw pet food diet, but this is likely because people are retards that would go to their local supermarket for raw organs for their pets
, and its better to recommend against it for their own safety as an association (jk)there are also massive differences in humans vs cats, although they are both carnivorous, humans have a much broader diet and cant exactly be compared to them
humans have adapted significantly (their natural diet is still ideal but ye)
there are fortified foods, other preventative measures taken, but people still likely wont follow them because the majority of people are RETARDED
so what should you take away from this?
is a raw food diet as necessary as he made it seem?
Well, slightly, but its not that drastic
Nutrients are vital, but there are other ways for them to be obtained
vegetables exist, however there are anti nutrients and plant toxins but mainstream science still recommends them (lol)
can cooked food be as effective?
I'd say yes. there are ways to cook food that allows for most of the nutrients to remain, and the health of the food you consumes matters much more if you consume it raw or not
for example, an egg in a pasture raised country farm, even when cooked, is going to be way more useful than a raw city caged, gmo fed egg
I'd say, as long as you are getting in animal based foods from good sources , you are doing good and if you plan to be a parent your kids should be relatively healthy
there are risks of pathogens and parasites, which unfortunately sv3rige didn't cover in his video well (IMO)
here are some primal diet reasoning if its worth the risk or not, but its ultimately up to you
parasites: https://theprimalparent.com/2011/11/14/symbiotic-relationship-with-parasites/
The article discusses the idea of having a symbiotic relationship with parasites, particularly in the context of consuming raw meat. It argues that parasites, bacteria, and viruses are everywhere, and avoiding them isn't realistic. Parasites help clean up decaying material in the body, and their presence is not inherently harmful if the body is healthy and free from toxins. Symptoms of parasitic infestation are often due to detoxification rather than the parasites themselves. The article also critiques the idea of avoiding parasites and suggests that raw food, including meat, may be healthier as it avoids the toxins produced by cooking. However, it stresses the importance of being informed before eating raw meat.
tldr:
The author discusses their past experimentation with raw meat diets, including raw seafood, juices, and low-carb eating. While no longer following a raw meat diet, they still value raw animal foods and share insights on safely consuming them. Key points include:
- E. coli: Found in grain-fed cattle, which are not naturally suited to digest grains, leading to bacterial growth.
- Salmonella: More common in caged chickens; outdoor-raised hens reduce the risk.
- Tapeworms: Can come from undercooked meat, but are rare in the U.S. due to inspections. Freezing meat or fish kills the parasites.
The author discusses the safety and benefits of eating raw meat, emphasizing that choosing the right meat is key. They explain that raw meat from animals that are grass-fed, pasture-raised, and live in natural conditions is safer and healthier. Key points include:
- Raw Meat Benefits: Easier digestion, more vitamins, enzymes for digestion, fewer free radicals, and better metabolism.
- Grass-fed vs. Grain-fed: Grass-fed animals have healthier fatty acid profiles, while grain-fed animals can harbor harmful bacteria due to poor diet and overcrowded living conditions.
- Meat Selection: Choose meats from grass-fed, pastured, and free-range sources to avoid pathogens. Factory farmed animals are more prone to disease and require antibiotics.
- Freezing Meat: If unsure about meat quality, freezing it for 14 days can kill harmful bacteria and parasites before consumption.
A New Theory Of Disease
Raw Primal Diet: Aajonus Online Archive by Aajonus Vonderplanitz. Complete Aajonus Transcriptions.
arguments against raw meat and foods: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10779077/
literally every mainstream outlet and science related thing ever
google.com too
while its good to try it out, please do research before attempting
ill cover the transformations he put at the end of the video another time, but here were my thoughts on the seemingly life changing study.
TLDR; The cats experienced many changes that could provoke people to do this immediately without studying before hand in hopes of a transformation for them or their potential children
However, its not this BAD
@osteochondromyxoma @N30N @Quncho @sigma @Clone
. good that you pointed out flaws and did research.
