Rage Prediction about systemD from ~ 10 years ago?

[Deleted Member 80294]

All the links in the article are from 10 years ago so I’m guessing

skarnet.org: a word about systemd

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[BlendedBulge]

Systemd violates the unix philosophy principles

 

[Deleted Member 70402]

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[Beatrice.]

All the links in the article are from 10 years ago so I’m guessing

skarnet.org: a word about systemd

@Randomized Shame @Absurditymaxxer

@fool

 

[Deleted Member 80294]

Systemd violates the unix philosophy principles

Btw this was the exact prediction from article which is mostly true, most enterprise distros use systemD and mainstream distros such as Arch and Debian

“The reason why systemd has become so prevalent is not that it has been accepted by the community. It's that it has manpower. It is backed up by open source software companies that can provide much more manpower than developers like myself working on free software on their own time. The distribution model of systemd, made of lobbying and bullying, is much more akin to the distribution model of Microsoft Windows than the one of GNU/Linux.”

 

[Deleted Member 70402]

All the links in the article are from 10 years ago so I’m guessing

skarnet.org: a word about systemd

@Randomized Shame @Absurditymaxxer

Why are you raging ; (

 

[BlendedBulge]

We are discussing predictions about service manager for Linux from 10 years ago

State of LooksMaxxing forum

 

[Deleted Member 70402]

Btw this was the exact prediction from article which is mostly true, most enterprise distros use systemD and mainstream distros such as Arch and Debian

“The reason why systemd has become so prevalent is not that it has been accepted by the community. It's that it has manpower. It is backed up by open source software companies that can provide much more manpower than developers like myself working on free software on their own time. The distribution model of systemd, made of lobbying and bullying, is much more akin to the distribution model of Microsoft Windows than the one of GNU/Linux.”

its taking everything in me not to nerd rep this

 

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great thread my friend, very intellectual

 

[adore]

The unix philosophy is a meh paradigm and the OP is purposefully trying to make systemd seem like it's one huge program instead of a modular set of components

Most of the article is just political sperging and the technical aspect part turned out to be ( X has technical downsides because of its software design )

The other article linked was better because it actually has some information of value

 

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its taking everything in me not to nerd rep this

 

[fool]

@fool

I'm not a techy guy.. so this means nothing to me

 

[Deleted Member 80294]

The unix philosophy is a meh paradigm and the OP is purposefully trying to make systemd seem like it's one huge program instead of a modular set of components

Most of the article is just political sperging and the technical aspect part turned out to be ( X has technical downsides because of its software design )

The other article linked was better because it actually has some information of value

SystemD is one huge program though, it’s trying to do everything and tie Linux users into it. Want ur NVIDIA drivers to work ootb? Use systemD. Want to use a decent DE like GNOME or KDE? Both are integrated with systemD. SystemD also ships with one big program that you can’t isolate the components like the creator of uselessd was trying to do, which makes it harder and harder for low end devices to use distros that use systemD. I have a 500 gig hard drive and 4 gigs ddr3 and any Debian based distro with systemD feels highly sluggish. Arch feels slightly better but is still sluggish compared to when I tried Artix with s6 init. It’s modular in the sense there’s different components in it but you have to download all of the components in one massive package. that’s not modularity, it’s a monolith trying to do everything. Boot loader? systemD. Privilege escalation? >systemD. Authentication? > SystemD. Want a good DE? >systemD. Want to use a mainstream distro with good software support on low end hardware? SystemD is there to kick you in the balls.
It’s a monster, and it’s not even the best at being an init or any of the other stuff. It just makes it easy to do certain stuff but you aren’t picking the best tool for each job.

 

[adore]

SystemD is one huge program though, it’s trying to do everything and tie Linux users into it. Want ur NVIDIA drivers to work ootb? Use systemD. Want to use a decent DE like GNOME or KDE? Both are integrated with systemD. SystemD also ships with one big program that you can’t isolate the components like the creator of uselessd was trying to do, which makes it harder and harder for low end devices to use distros that use systemD. I have a 500 gig hard drive and 4 gigs ddr3 and any Debian based distro with systemD feels highly sluggish. Arch feels slightly better but is still sluggish compared to when I tried Artix with s6 init. It’s modular in the sense there’s different components in it but you have to download all of the components in one massive package. that’s not modularity, it’s a monolith trying to do everything. Boot loader? systemD. Privilege escalation? >systemD. Authentication? > SystemD. Want a good DE? >systemD. Want to use a mainstream distro with good software support on low end hardware? SystemD is there to kick you in the balls.
It’s a monster, and it’s not even the best at being an init or any of the other stuff. It just makes it easy to do certain stuff but you aren’t picking the best tool for each job.

Good post but 3 things

1) KDE and Cinnamon + other not-as-meta DE's work with s6 and openrc.

2) NVIDIA drivers work fine OOTB, it's the seat handling that causes the issues with something like a dual GPU setup. Such problems can fixed by manually adjusting the seats ( or just choosing one as the primary display output if lazy )

3) Artix has better software support than most of the mainstream distros due to having the AUR ( Yes, you can use the AUR and it works fine. ONly time something will fail is if it uses systemd daemons and such which is thankfully extremely rare. OBS, Discord, Browsers etc all run fine )