Socialist policies are extremely integral to a human society

[N9wiff]

All there is to say.

 

[Deleted Member 59374]

okay commie

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

All there is to say.

Yes, but such policies are premised on a high trust society cooperating efficiently. If there is no high trust society, socialism becomes unsustainable (as citizens will use more than they provide).

 

[N9wiff]

okay commie

I am neither a communist nor a socialists

I believe the free market should be regulated, and things like education, healthcare and other essentials like public transport should be under socialist policies.

Yes, but such policies are premised on a high trust society cooperating efficiently. If there is no high trust society, socialism becomes unsustainable (as citizens will use more than they provide).

Whataboutism

How do the working and lower class "abuse" free healthcare, free schooling or free public transport? It works well in so many countries, even my third world home country lmao.

Only welfare and healthcare could be heavily abused, in which case regulation from a socially elected government is needed. Which is common practice in virtually any country.

You must be thinking about communism, in which case there has never been a communist country. Socialism comes before communism and is seen as the "next logical step".

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

I am neither a communist nor a socialists

I believe the free market should be regulated, and things like education, healthcare and other essentials like public transport should be under socialist policies.


Whataboutism

How do the working and lower class "abuse" free healthcare, free schooling or free public transport? It works well in so many countries, even my third world home country lmao.

Only welfare and healthcare could be heavily abused, in which case regulation from a socially elected government is needed. Which is common practice in virtually any country.

You must be thinking about communism, in which case there has never been a communist country. Socialism comes before communism and is seen as the "next logical step".

Study socialist policies in South Africa and Zimbabwe compared to socialism in Sweden or Norway.
If there is no civic unity and cooperation (and instead blatant corruption and incompetence), the utopia dies or is slowly strangled to death.

 

[N9wiff]

@ey88 @Whitepill @RAJ GHRANDHICK​

 

[N9wiff]

Study socialist policies in South Africa and Zimbabwe compared to socialism in Sweden or Norway.
If there is no civic unity and cooperation (and instead blatant corruption and incompetence), the utopia dies or is slowly strangled to death.

Which is why you need

Only welfare and healthcare could be heavily abused, in which case regulation from a socially elected government is needed. Which is common practice in virtually any country.

Like China. The biggest economic success in recent history for any nation.

Also these countries are piss poor btw, which attributes to their failure.

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

Which is why you need


Like China. The biggest economic success in recent history for any nation.

Yes, in China the rights of the individuals are suspended for the benefit of the group (the Chinese people). Yet, If there was no homogenous demographic, authoritarianism and state enforced capitalism, would be less effective (as it would be less socially, demographically and culturally justifiable because different demographics would prefer to compete against each other than work together, which is human nature).

Also these countries are piss poor btw, which attributes to their failure.

Zimbabwe and South Africa were developed nations with first world infrastructure before their devolution into social friction, disunity and corruption.

 

[N9wiff]

Zimbabwe and South Africa were developed nations with first world infrastructure before their devolution into social friction, disunity and corruption.

Fucking lol at this cope, they are piss poor and were colony. Being a colony always leads to corruption due to power vacuums post-independence

Yes, in China the rights of the individuals are suspended for the benefit of the group (the Chinese people). If there was no homogenous demographic authoritarianism would be less effective (as its less socially, demographically and culturally justifiable).

Legit, and like Singapore

Extreme success in transforming the nation. Singapore too was just a piss poor slum and it turned into an absolutely amazing nation. Clean, safe and well educated population.

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

Fucking lol at this cope, they are piss poor and were colony. Being a colony always leads to corruption due to power vacuums post-independence

There were functional farms, railways, airports, sewage and electrical systems. They are either in disrepute or are no more.
Let a middle aged Chinese industrialist explain it to you.

Legit, and like Singapore

Extreme success in transforming the nation. Singapore too was just a piss poor slum and it turned into an absolutely amazing nation. Clean, safe and well educated population.

I wonder why Haiti was given independence 200 years ago and yet nowadays they are starving and eating each other. Yet, Singaporeans are given independence and become a peaceful financial hub in a fraction of the time.

 

[N9wiff]

I wonder why Haiti was given independence 200 years ago and yet nowadays they are starving and eating each other. Yet, Singaporeans are given independence and become a peaceful financial hub in a fraction of the time.

Cultural differences in the people

Way of how the country is ruled

You can just compare two countries on paper btw, there is a lot of nuance to how a nation functions

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

Cultural differences in the people

Way of how the country is ruled

You can just compare two countries on paper btw, there is a lot of nuance to how a nation functions

This century will be the Chinese/Asian century because of people like you and your sentiment. Asian people are more honest regarding statesmanship.

 

[N9wiff]

This century will be the Chinese century because of your sentiment.

Obviously, duh

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

Obviously, duh

Question. If there were no Chinese in China would China still be Chinese society.

 

[N9wiff]

Question. If there were no Chinese in China would China still be Chinese society.

Of course not are you fucking retarded?

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

Of course not are you fucking retarded?

I was assessing how far gone you were mentally.

 

[N9wiff]

I was assessing how far gone you were mentally.

I don't need some broke 20 yo loser to "assess" my mental state

Stick to your self-pity threads on how you can't land a job

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

I don't need some broke 20 yo loser to "assess" my mental state

lol. I thought you were implying that demographics don't matter so I made a joke about it.

Stick to your self-pity threads on how you can't land a job

I still can't pass interviews. I have bad social skills. I seem to offend everyone in real life or online, unintentionally. I try to tell the truth but people do not appreciate that.

 

[N9wiff]

lol. I thought you were implying that demographics don't matter so I made a joke about it.

Read properly

Cultural differences in the people

I can't stand stupid people, especially if they have an attitude.

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

Read properly

I did.

I can't stand stupid people, especially if they have an attitude.

The reason why I asked: 'If there were no Chinese in China would China still be Chinese society.'

Is because if you raised whites in China and they became 50% of China, even if they were ingratiated into Chinese society, Chinese statesmanship would be diluted.

Therefore, statesmanship is more than 'mere culture' (as you argued). It is culture (national folklore, language, history and religion), spirit and race.

Long term socialism requires unity between culture, spirit and race for it to work without severe impositions of the monopoly on violence. If there is disunity between these factors and no monopoly on violence (strong military and police) you get contemporary Zimbabwe or South Africa. Alternatively, you might get inequality between Northern Brazil or Southern Brazil (along with all its small, differing ethnocentric communities within these regions).

 

[N9wiff]

It is culture (national folklore, language, history and religion), spirit and race.

Culture comes from those traits, which is what I meant.

 

[N9wiff]

Long term socialism requires unity between culture, spirit and race for it to work without severe impositions of the monopoly on violence. If there is disunity between these factors and no monopoly on violence (strong military and police) you get contemporary Zimbabwe or South Africa. Alternatively, you might get inequality between Northern Brazil or Southern Brazil (along with all its small, differing ethnocentric communities within these regions).

There are multiple different cultures in China

It is a very diverse country

The cultural divide between Singaporeans and Malaysians is far greater, Indians, Chinese and Ethnic Malays living in one nation still make it work. So again, it's more nuanced than you think.

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

There are multiple different cultures in China

It is a very diverse country

The monopoly on violence within China is to the benefit of the CPP. The CPP is homogenous and not largely composed of minority groups like Abrahamic Muslims or Christians. All statesmanship and political essence is sublimated towards the CPP and the CPP, at least at face value, work in the name and spirit of the Chinese people. The concept of being collectively Chinese, their nationality, stands about individual culture. This is my limited understanding of China and the reason why China is Chinese.

Compare this to a Christian, Muslim or Hindu European who might hold his Christian, Hinduism or Islamic identity, above his national identity, publicly and personally.

 

[N9wiff]

The monopoly on violence within China is to the benefit of the CPP. The CPP is homogenous and not largely composed of for example minority groups like Abrahamic Muslims or Christians. All essence is sublimated towards the CPP and the CPP, at least at face value, work in the name and spirit of the Chinese people. The concept of being collectively Chinese, their nationality, stands about individual culture. This is my understanding of China and the reason why China is Chinese.

Not really but you did get some points here.

Compare this to a Christian or Muslim European who might hold his religion, Christian or Islamic identity, above his national identity.

You can have a nation with religious fundamentalists and unity

Again, Singapore and Malaysia is a good example.

 

[awkwardsubhuman]

Not really but you did get some points here.


You can have a nation with religious fundamentalists and unity

Again, Singapore and Malaysia is a good example.

But how long will it last is the question before it collapses. I bet that, in the short term, China which sublimates diverse religious fundamentalism in its ruling class for political nationalism will survive longer if they aren't invaded by the West + East.

This might sound contradictory but in the long term, if China maintained its nationalism but augmented it with a novel religious identity native to its people, then I think it would last the longest. This was the case with Ancient Egypt, Persia, Greece and Rome.