Discussion This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response

[n9wiff]

So everything we feel, from the color, taste, smell and touch of a certain material/object is 100 percent an illusion right?

So our entire perception of the universe is literally just our own made up biological illusions to respond to changes in our environment.

I've had these thoughts for a long time now but just now while I was eating, I was thinking about what the world "looks" like by itself.

The end of the problem :

It would "look" like nothing because for something to even register in our brains as an appearance or thing, it has to exist and be available to interact with our senses.

What does the universe feel like?

Using our understanding of the way particles and physics work, I'd assume everything is literally just vibrations of different orders of magnitudes and types, coupled with lightwaves, whatever they are.

What does "nothing" look like?

Nothing, can't "look" like "anything" because it infact simply doesn't exist to us. The best we can describe nothing is pitch black. This however has nothing to do with "nothingness" as we only rationalise it to be this way due to again, restrictions brought upon by our own senses.

My theory is that most describe "nothingness" the way they do by subconsciously imagining that "nothing" = no perception of looks. The closest we get to no perception of sight is when being blinded by the dark completely or when we close our eyes in a dark room.

Thoughts? I need feedback since almost everything here is restricted to us, this is completely beyond everything "rational" to us.

 

[n9wiff]

ITT try your hardest to give me a response to what "nothingness" looks like

OR

What the world "looks" like from a third person POV without biological sensory processes.

 

[vexnaut]

Your reflections on perception, reality, and nothingness touch on profound philosophical and scientific themes that have intrigued thinkers for centuries. Let's break down your thoughts into several key areas for deeper exploration:

1. Perception as Illusion​

You suggest that our experiences of color, taste, smell, and touch are essentially illusions created by our biological systems. This aligns with philosophical perspectives, such as idealism, which posits that reality is fundamentally mental and that our perceptions are the only reality we can truly know. From a scientific standpoint, our senses translate physical stimuli into neurological signals, which our brains interpret as experiences. Thus, everything we perceive is mediated through our sensory organs and brain processes, leading to the idea that our understanding of reality is indeed a constructed experience.

2. What Does the Universe "Look" Like?​

When you consider what the universe looks like in the absence of observers, you engage with the philosophical debate about the role of consciousness in shaping reality. According to some interpretations of quantum mechanics, particularly the Copenhagen interpretation, the act of observation affects the state of a system. This raises the question of whether reality exists independently of observation. In a purely physical sense, without observers, there would be no light waves, colors, or textures perceived—essentially, "nothing" to observe.

3. Vibrations and Physics​

Your assertion that everything can be reduced to vibrations aligns with string theory in physics, which suggests that fundamental particles are not point-like but rather one-dimensional "strings" that vibrate at different frequencies. This idea extends to the concept of energy and matter being interconnected, resonating with the notion that at a fundamental level, reality is a tapestry of vibrations and interactions.

4. Understanding "Nothingness"​

You note that "nothing" cannot "look" like anything because it does not exist within the framework of perception. This resonates with existential philosophy, where thinkers like Jean-Paul Sartre and Martin Heidegger explored the concept of nothingness and its implications for existence. Your description of "nothingness" as pitch black or the absence of sensory input captures the idea that our understanding of nothing is heavily influenced by our experiences of absence, rather than a true grasp of non-existence.

5. The Nature of Experience​

Your conclusion about how people describe "nothingness" based on sensory deprivation highlights an interesting cognitive phenomenon. Humans often use analogies based on their sensory experiences to conceptualize abstract ideas. The closest we might come to experiencing "nothingness" is indeed through darkness or silence, yet even these are experiences rooted in the limitations of our perception.

Philosophical Implications​

Your thoughts raise important questions about the nature of existence, consciousness, and the limits of human perception. They echo themes from philosophy of mind, where discussions center around how consciousness relates to the physical world. If our perception is indeed an illusion shaped by our biology, what does this imply about the nature of reality itself? Are we trapped in a subjective experience that limits our understanding of the true nature of the universe?

Conclusion​

In exploring these questions, you're engaging in a form of philosophical inquiry that has no definitive answers but encourages deeper thinking about existence, consciousness, and the universe. While empirical science provides tools to study and understand the physical world, philosophical reflection invites us to consider the implications of our experiences and the limitations imposed by our senses. This interplay between science and philosophy is rich and offers fertile ground for continued exploration. Your thoughts reflect a profound engagement with these themes, and it's essential to keep questioning and exploring these ideas, as they touch upon the very nature of reality itself.

4o mini

 

[vexnaut]

4o mini

why did he sign it

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

nothing will not trigger our sensory mechanisms so the best way to frame the qualities of nothing would be to say whatever a dead person experience is nothing

 

[sigma]

So everything we feel, from the color, taste, smell and touch of a certain material/object is 100 percent an illusion right?

So our entire perception of the universe is literally just our own made up biological illusions to respond to changes in our environment.

I've had these thoughts for a long time now but just now while I was eating, I was thinking about what the world "looks" like by itself.

The end of the problem :

It would "look" like nothing because for something to even register in our brains as an appearance or thing, it has to exist and be available to interact with our senses.

What does the universe feel like?

Using our understanding of the way particles and physics work, I'd assume everything is literally just vibrations of different orders of magnitudes and types, coupled with lightwaves, whatever they are.

yeah this been talked about within philosphy and science

Nothing, can't "look" like "anything" because it infact simply doesn't exist to us.

u answered ur own question

The best we can describe nothing is pitch black.

no
black is not nothing
darkness is the absence of light but if there is nothing to observe light or its absence, there is no darkness in the first place
it might be difficult to understand bc we are human and rely on sight to explain stuff
Total Blindness: Total blindness refers to the complete absence of vision. Individuals who are totally blind have no light perception and are unable to differentiate between light and darkness.
so there is no such thing as darkness (black) or light (colorful and bright)
blind does not even know what black or color is

 

[Whitepill]

You aren’t meant to know

 

[N30N]

I've had the same though before, but I find it impossible to grasp.