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GreatMurderDestructionOverlord said:
no my point being, youre not following Jesus, youre following Paul a false apostle who contradicts Jesus. 95% of what churches teach and preach are Paul's doctrine not Jesus
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Catholics follow Jesus Christ above all. Paul’s letters don’t replace Jesus, they help explain how to live out His teachings. Jesus Himself affirmed the Ten Commandments in Matthew 19:16-19, and the Catholic Church still teaches them as a guide to loving God and others. Paul’s message isn’t his own, he points back to Jesus in Galatians 1:11-12. The Church sees Paul’s writings and Jesus’ words as working together, not in conflict. At the heart of it all, Catholics follow Christ and strive to live as He taught.
 
Becky4L said:
Catholics follow Jesus Christ above all. Paul’s letters don’t replace Jesus, they help explain how to live out His teachings. Jesus Himself affirmed the Ten Commandments in Matthew 19:16-19, and the Catholic Church still teaches them as a guide to loving God and others. Paul’s message isn’t his own, he points back to Jesus in Galatians 1:11-12. The Church sees Paul’s writings and Jesus’ words as working together, not in conflict. At the heart of it all, Catholics follow Christ and strive to live as He taught.
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this is wrong, and also chatgpt most likely. Paul contradict Jesus many times, he has also never met him. biggest contradiction is Paul in romans stating that faith alone grants grace whereas Jesus taught that faith is not enough on its own. not only that but even believers of Pauls time didnt believe he was a real apostle as proved by his letters
 
GreatMurderDestructionOverlord said:
this is wrong, and also chatgpt most likely. Paul contradict Jesus many times, he has also never met him. biggest contradiction is Paul in romans stating that faith alone grants grace whereas Jesus taught that faith is not enough on its own. not only that but even believers of Pauls time didnt believe he was a real apostle as proved by his letters
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GreatMurderDestructionOverlord said:
this is wrong, and also chatgpt most likely. Paul contradict Jesus many times, he has also never met him. biggest contradiction is Paul in romans stating that faith alone grants grace whereas Jesus taught that faith is not enough on its own. not only that but even believers of Pauls time didnt believe he was a real apostle as proved by his letters
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Paul doesn’t contrdict Jesus he expands on Him. Both taught that faith without action is worthless (Matthew 7:21, Galatians 5:6). Jesus personally chose Paul (Acts 9:3-6), and the apostles backef him (Galatians 2:9). Catholics follow Christ, and Paul just helps explain how.
 
Becky4L said:
Paul doesn’t contrdict Jesus he expands on Him. Both taught that faith without action is worthless (Matthew 7:21, Galatians 5:6). Jesus personally chose Paul (Acts 9:3-6), and the apostles backef him (Galatians 2:9). Catholics follow Christ, and Paul just helps explain how.
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n***a he contradicts him, omg you are dumb. Jesus said to keep the commandments, Paul said you arent under the law. Paul said faith alone saves, Jesus said faith + works save.
 
U are really starting to get comfortable on here .
 
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Becky4L said:
U don’t have a breeze what ur talking about pal I just gave u references go look them up and get back to me when you’re done
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do u want me to give you a list of verses where he contradict Jesus? (this is all copy paste, but you get the idea)


1. On the time of the coming of the Lord:

Paul says:
Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.

Jesus says:
Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.


2. On the source of the Truth and the true gospel:

Paul says:
1Cor.2
[13] And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.
Gal.1
[12] For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus says:
John.17
[14] I have given them thy word;
[17] Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.

3. On the God of the dead:

Paul says:
Rom.14
[9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Jesus says:
Luke.20
[38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;

4. On the sum of the commandments:

Paul says:
Rom.13
[9] The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus says:
Matt.22
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.

5. On whom God has mercy:

Paul says:
Rom.9
[15] For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
[16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.
[18] So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[7] Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.


6. On forgiveness of trespasses:

Paul says:
Eph.1
[7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace
Rom.4
[25] who was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

Jesus says:
Matt.6
[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


7. On being justified:

Paul says:
Rom.3
[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.
Rom.5
[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Jesus says:
Matt.12
[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.


8. On the cost of eternal life:

Paul says:
Rom.6
[23] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jesus says:
Matt.19
[29] And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Luke.14
[28] For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
[33] So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.


9. On what is honorable among men:

Paul says:
2Cor.8
[21] for we aim at what is honorable not only in the Lord's sight but also in the sight of men.
Rom.12
[17] Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all men.
Rom.14
[18] he who thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.
1Cor.10
[33] just as I try to please all men in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.
Jesus says:
Luke.16
[15] But he said to them, You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
Luke.6
[26] Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.


10. On Dying:

Paul says:
I Corinthians 15
31: I protest, brethren, by my pride in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!

Jesus says:
John 11
26: and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.

11. On the basis of judgment:

Paul says:
Rom.2
[12] All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.
Jesus says:
John.12
[48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.

12. On the commandments and eternal life:

Paul says:
Rom.7
[9] I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died;
[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.
Jesus says:
Matt.19
[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.


13. On your father:

Paul says:
1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Phlm.1
[10] I appeal to you for my child, Ones'imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.

Jesus says:
Matt.23
[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

14. On qualifying for eternal life:

Paul says:
Rom.5
[21] so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness toeternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus says:
John.5
[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.


15. On the destiny of the creation (heavens and earth):

Paul says:
Rom.8
[21] because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Jesus says:
Matt.24
[35] Heaven and earth will pass away,

16. On the destiny of the Law and the Prophets:

Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

17. On the number and identity of teachers:

Paul says:
1Cor.12
[28] And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third, teachers,
Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
1Tim.2
[7] For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
2Tim.1
[11] For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher,

Jesus says:
Matt.23
[8] But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.

18. On the number to be saved:

Paul says:
Rom.11
[25] Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in,
[26] and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob.

Jesus says:
Matt.7
[13] Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
[14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

19. On the number and identity of pastors (shepherds):

Paul says:
Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors (shepherds) and teachers,

Jesus says:
John.10
[16] And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.

20. On the number and identity of leaders:

Paul says:
1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless leaders in Christ . . ..

Jesus says:
Matt.23
[10] Neither be called leaders, for you have one leader, the Christ.
21: On total depravity:

Paul says:
Rom.3
[9] What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all; for I have already charged that all men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin,
[10] as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
[22] For there is no distinction;
[23] since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, . . ..

Jesus says:
Matt.12
[35] The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.
Luke.6
[45] The good man out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure produces evil; for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
Matt.23
[35] that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.


22. On unconditional election:

Paul says:
Rom.9
[16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.

Jesus says:
Matt.7
[21] Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' [23] And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.

23. On sacrifices to God:

Paul says:
1Cor.5
[7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5
[2] And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'

24. On remuneration for preaching the gospel:

Paul says:
1Tim.5
[17] Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching;
[18] for the scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain," and, "The laborer deserves his wages.
1Cor.9
[11] If we have sown spiritual good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits?
[12] If others share this rightful claim upon you, do not we still more?

Jesus says:
Matt.10
[7] And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
[8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.

25. On how one becomes a child of God:

Paul says:
Rom.8
[23] and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Gal.4
[5] to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

Jesus says:
John.3
[3] Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is begotten from above,* he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is begotten of the flesh is flesh, and that which is begotten of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Do not marvel that I said to you, `You must be begotten from above.*

* John 3:3 and 3:7 are the author's translations. These differ from the RSV only in the expression "begotten from above" that replaces "born anew' in the RSV. "Born anew" does not represent the fullness of what Jesus is stating here, and does not correspond to the literatal translation of the Greek, anothen (a()nwqen).
 
GreatMurderDestructionOverlord said:
n***a he contradicts him, omg you are dumb. Jesus said to keep the commandments, Paul said you arent under the law. Paul said faith alone saves, Jesus said faith + works save.
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you’re oversimplifying Paul. When Paul says we’re not “under the law” (Romans 6:14), he’s talking about the Old Mosaic Law, not moral truths like the Ten Commandments. Even Paul says people will be judged by their actions (Romans 2:6-8).
 
Becky4L said:
you’re oversimplifying Paul. When Paul says we’re not “under the law” (Romans 6:14), he’s talking about the Old Mosaic Law, not moral truths like the Ten Commandments. Even Paul says people will be judged by their actions (Romans 2:6-8).
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nope, when did Jesus separate moral law from mosaic law?????
Paul contradicts himself because he is an idiot Paul the f****t says actions matter but also says “justified by faith apart from works” You can’t have it both ways.


also jfl at me arguing with chatgpot rn, youre proving me right, you know nothing about your own religion
 
GreatMurderDestructionOverlord said:
nope, when did Jesus separate moral law from mosaic law?????
Paul contradicts himself because he is an idiot Paul the f****t says actions matter but also says “justified by faith apart from works” You can’t have it both ways.


also jfl at me arguing with chatgpot rn, youre proving me right, you know nothing about your own religion
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You're not even deserving of a response. I gave u the sources. Do what you will with them. End of
 
Becky4L said:
You're not even deserving of a response. I gave u the sources. Do what you will with them. End of
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n***a, u gave me nothing that hasn't been disproven. you used chatgpt = you dont know your own religion
 
GreatMurderDestructionOverlord said:
this girl is beyond me, I am basically just arguing with chatgpt
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You're not arguing with anything. You are just talking AT me with information of no relevancy to what I respond with. I am Catholic and I am proud nothing u say or do will ever make me question or change my faith. You are wast in your time
 
Becky4L said:
You're not arguing with anything. You are just talking AT me with information of no relevancy to what I respond with. I am Catholic and I am proud nothing u say or do will ever make me question or change my faith. You are wast in your time
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youre the definition of blind faith.
 
Becky4L said:
Wrong but good try
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in all this argument I have not been wrong once, whereas you have contradicted yourself and bended the truth. along with you using chatgpt proving me right in that you dont know your own religion
 
GreatMurderDestructionOverlord said:
i am not, youre a culture christian who will not be saved
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I’m not a “culture Christian,” and I’m not ignoring what Jesus said. Paul doesn’t contradict Jesus he’s clarifying the relationship between faith and works. Jesus said faith and works save, and Paul agrees. When Paul talks about not being “under the law,” he’s not rejecting the commandments, he’s rejecting legalism the idea that the law alone can save. Jesus and Paul are both saying faith and action are required for salvation. If you can’t see that then you’re fucking retarded
 
Becky4L said:
I’m not a “culture Christian,” and I’m not ignoring what Jesus said. Paul doesn’t contradict Jesus he’s clarifying the relationship between faith and works. Jesus said faith and works save, and Paul agrees. When Paul talks about not being “under the law,” he’s not rejecting the commandments, he’s rejecting legalism the idea that the law alone can save. Jesus and Paul are both saying faith and action are required for salvation. If you can’t see that then you’re fucking retarded
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Jesus wasnt clarified, thats blasphemy. I have given you a list of 100 contradictions yet you stay in denial and keep using chatgpt. because youre unable to face the truth. Jesus said what he meant whereas Paul twisted his words and never even met Jesus
 
Starvation
 
Becky4L said:
You're right, don't waste your time on lower life forms such as these Mr. Rodger.
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Exactly. Why should I waste breath on creatures who can't even comprehend the level I operate on? They mock what they fear, dismiss what they envy, and cling to their mediocrity. They are all beneath me in all ways, mentally, emotionally, aesthetically.

Let them rot in their little pit of noise. I was never meant to speak with insects.
 
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