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[apeals]

These two points contradict each other. You say it’s shaped by culture. Culture and society are shaped by history, historically men had the upper hand on dating and dictated how it works, shaping the women as status symbols narrative, and placing high value on beauty. So yes actually, they sat around and designed it. This narrative is still engrained into society and we see it all the time.

These two points don’t contradict each other, the fact that men had adavnatges in the past doesn’t mean they ‘designed’ women to be status symbols. It means society evolved under certain power dynamics and beauty norms. Thats very different to saying men consciously sat around constructing a dating ideology.

And lets say men did historically influence male preferences, modern relationships aren’t tied to those old norms, women now have been granted free will which is why atraction today is shaped by individual psychology, emotional needs, personal experiences, attachment styles, and compatibility they aren’t built like a blue print btw cultural ≠ intentional design modern attraction is driven by personal psychology not a 200 year-old social script.

 

[candycaro]

These two points don’t contradict each other, the fact that men had adavnatges in the past doesn’t mean they ‘designed’ women to be status symbols. It means society evolved under certain power dynamics and beauty norms. Thats very different to saying men consciously sat around constructing a dating ideology.

I said who set that system up? Men. You were the one who made that sentence into „men sitting around declaring stuff“ to mock my point.

And lets say men did historically influence male preferences, modern relationships aren’t tied to those old norms, women now have been granted free will which is why atraction today is shaped by individual psychology, emotional needs, personal experiences, attachment styles, and compatibility they aren’t built like a blue print btw cultural ≠ intentional design modern attraction is driven by personal psychology not a 200 year-old social script.

Cultural influences are omnipresent while growing up. Parents, other people, media, etc etc

 

[apeals]

I said who set that system up? Men. You were the one who made that sentence into „men sitting around declaring stuff“ to mock my point.

Cultural influences are omnipresent while growing up. Parents, other people, media, etc etc

Nobody is denying that cultural influence exist of course it does. The point im trying to make is that culture doesn’t automatically mean intentional design yes culutre affects us significantly but it isn’t created through one group consciously writing rules. Your original point was that men set up a dating system. This implies deliberate construction. Social norms evolve through many structures like what you stated there but its not one gender strategically engineering these attraction dynamics though. So YES cultural influences are everywhere but still isn’t the same thing as men purposely shape dating to treat women as status symbols at least in the modern day. Thats the distinction I am trying to make.

 

[Hyaluronic]

So you basically just complained about people not making good guides, but you have the knowledge to and choose not to…

Okay, so let’s start off with the basics. Women have it easier lookswise not because they’re more or less attractive objectively, but because men have extremely low standards for beauty. Yes, men always say that they want a “beautiful woman”, but almost every man sees a makeupfrauded mltb as his princess.



I just think that you don’t understand how statistics work. Lmtb/hltb will always be the average on this typa scale (it may differ a bit because there isn’t a universal one but still). All of these “htb” and “subwoman” are just edgy words to replace a normie 1-10 scale. In such scale, 5 will always be the average. Normies always rate an average as a 6-8 because they rate by attraction, not by statistics. To put it simply, an average man will have a 6-8/10 attraction to a 5/10 woman.

Because women are kinder than men on average, they will usually slightly overrate other women and I think that you do too, which is why youd think that a mtb (whos actually a weak ltb) should be getting a lot of guys.



Another reason for why you wouldn’t know how to rate is the lack of knowledge on female facial attractiveness. This is also one of two explanations for why I wouldn’t create a thread on female attractiveness.

The reason why women haven’t gotten their fare share of info on facial aesthetics is because society hasn’t pushed for it’s existence. Think about how many times you hear the word “incel” as opposed to “femcel”. As Ive mentioned before, men need bones and women need softmaxxes. Most hardmaxxes require a much deeper info because they involve much more complicated and risky, which is why we have thousands of pages discussing various surgeries for men.



Some women still require hardmaxxes, however:

1. Their ROI from softmaxxes is much higher than in men so the need to hardmaxx decreases significantly.
2. Their ROI from hardmaxxes is lower because they’re being judged on typical “hard” features less than men.
3. The typical hardmaxxes for women are much more normalized and much less invasive. Think of rhino, lip lift, botox, fillers etc. Men usually need implants (high risk of infection, much more complex), more mandibular forward growth (genio, bsso) etc.

Ive never seen anybody talking about this but the features that are preferred on women are usually the ones that show “innocence” or “feminine weakness” (think of how women need less chin projection). The issue with that is the fact that recessed women can often be seen as cute because they’re technically underdeveloped ≈ not matured (physically) ≈ innocent. It’s not something that I prefer but it’s absolutely a real phenomenon. Men, on the other hand need much “stronger”/developed features.

To put it simply: when women are underdeveloped, the may be seen as cute. When men are, they may be seen as weak. When women are developed, they are seen as striking and model-like. When men are, they’re seen as more attractive.

So as you can see, women require these kinda guides less then men and if they do they’re usually out in the public with normies.



Women also tend to believe in stupid shit more than men (astrology, spirituality, subliminals etc). It gets to a point where when we actually start creating guides and scales for women, they tend to include retarded things like muh symmetry muh the golden ratio. Just look at the “women rating guide” jfl, shit looks like some random ️Stacy from your average cheerleader team wrote it.



At the end I just wanna mention my second reason for why I don’t post guides for women. It’s very simple - most “guides” are shit and superficial. It is always better to do your own research, look for pieces of info, individual opinions and scientific proof of things. Your typical guide is simplified and will usually be created for nt normies who do not wanna dive deep into things.

Now, there are some giga high quality guides that exist but they require a lot of effort and info, which as Ive already stated isn’t really there. But even then, it’s always better to do a full research and not just read one guide.

 

[Hyaluronic]

@apeals did you read every molecule

 

[candycaro]

Okay, so let’s start off with the basics. Women have it easier lookswise not because they’re more or less attractive objectively, but because men have extremely low standards for beauty. Yes, men always say that they want a “beautiful woman”, but almost every man sees a makeupfrauded mltb as his princess.

Not my experience but ok…

I just think that you don’t understand how statistics work. Lmtb/hltb will always be the average on this typa scale (it may differ a bit because there isn’t a universal one but still). All of these “htb” and “subwoman” are just edgy words to replace a normie 1-10 scale. In such scale, 5 will always be the average. Normies always rate an average as a 6-8 because they rate by attraction, not by statistics. To put it simply, an average man will have a 6-8/10 attraction to a 5/10 woman.

Because women are kinder than men on average, they will usually slightly overrate other women and I think that you do too, which is why youd think that a mtb (whos actually a weak ltb) should be getting a lot of guys.

The ones who think that any girl no matter the rating should get a lot of guys are actually most men (on here, online, real life, since they spread the narrative of it being easy for a girl to get guys)

Another reason for why you wouldn’t know how to rate is the lack of knowledge on female facial attractiveness. This is also one of two explanations for why I wouldn’t create a thread on female attractiveness.

The reason why women haven’t gotten their fare share of info on facial aesthetics is because society hasn’t pushed for it’s existence. Think about how many times you hear the word “incel” as opposed to “femcel”. As Ive mentioned before, men need bones and women need softmaxxes. Most hardmaxxes require a much deeper info because they involve much more complicated and risky, which is why we have thousands of pages discussing various surgeries for men.



Some women still require hardmaxxes, however:

1. Their ROI from softmaxxes is much higher than in men so the need to hardmaxx decreases significantly.
2. Their ROI from hardmaxxes is lower because they’re being judged on typical “hard” features less than men.
3. The typical hardmaxxes for women are much more normalized and much less invasive. Think of rhino, lip lift, botox, fillers etc. Men usually need implants (high risk of infection, much more complex), more mandibular forward growth (genio, bsso) etc.

Ive never seen anybody talking about this but the features that are preferred on women are usually the ones that show “innocence” or “feminine weakness” (think of how women need less chin projection). The issue with that is the fact that recessed women can often be seen as cute because they’re technically underdeveloped ≈ not matured (physically) ≈ innocent. It’s not something that I prefer but it’s absolutely a real phenomenon. Men, on the other hand need much “stronger”/developed features.

To put it simply: when women are underdeveloped, the may be seen as cute. When men are, they may be seen as weak. When women are developed, they are seen as striking and model-like. When men are, they’re seen as more attractive.

So as you can see, women require these kinda guides less then men and if they do they’re usually out in the public with normies.



Women also tend to believe in stupid shit more than men (astrology, spirituality, subliminals etc). It gets to a point where when we actually start creating guides and scales for women, they tend to include retarded things like muh symmetry muh the golden ratio. Just look at the “women rating guide” jfl, shit looks like some random ️Stacy from your average cheerleader team wrote it.



At the end I just wanna mention my second reason for why I don’t post guides for women. It’s very simple - most “guides” are shit and superficial. It is always better to do your own research, look for pieces of info, individual opinions and scientific proof of things. Your typical guide is simplified and will usually be created for nt normies who do not wanna dive deep into things.

Now, there are some giga high quality guides that exist but they require a lot of effort and info, which as Ive already stated isn’t really there. But even then, it’s always better to do a full research and not just read one guide.

Btw, I was referring to OP and not to you when I said that she gained knowledge but chooses to gatekeep it, yet complains about the lack of info on here lolz. But thanks for the detailed response. And I agree with the rest of what you said

 

[Hyaluronic]

Not my experience but ok…

I might be biased because Im white and most of my observations were based on white people. Racial preferences is a real thing (black women are the least desired group but you don’t have seem to fit the narrative of the reasons that put them this low). You’re still a lightskin though so probably have halo to black men.

The ones who think that any girl no matter the rating should get a lot of guys are actually most men (on here, online, real life, since they spread the narrative of it being easy for a girl to get guys)

Okay, let me rephrase it - it’s very easy for a girl to find sex, ons or a fwb but not so easy to find a ltr

Btw, I was referring to OP and not to you when I said that she gained knowledge but chooses to gatekeep it, yet complains about the lack of info on here lolz. But thanks for the detailed response. And I agree with the rest of what you said

fair enough

 

[apeals]

@apeals did you read every molecule

I was eating but I’ve skimmed and scanned through it I don’t think most women feel the need to hardmax and instead focus on enhancing their makeup skills if you have a good base since its the easiest most reliable for women unless you’re below ltb even with makeup, so I do think it is easier for women to be prettier in that regard which makes it easier to find a partner generally (not counting the other persons appearance, personality, etc)

 

[apeals]

Not my experience but ok…

The ones who think that any girl no matter the rating should get a lot of guys are actually most men (on here, online, real life, since they spread the narrative of it being easy for a girl to get guys)

Btw, I was referring to OP and not to you when I said that she gained knowledge but chooses to gatekeep it, yet complains about the lack of info on here lolz. But thanks for the detailed response. And I agree with the rest of what you said

Im literally an ltb and I managed to find a rs even though I might not be facially attractive, im sure if you tried you’d find someone thats at least interested in you

 

[candycaro]

I might be biased because Im white and most of my observations were based on white people. Racial preferences is a real thing (black women are the least desired group but you don’t have seem to fit the narrative of the reasons that put them this low). You’re still a lightskin though so probably have halo to black men.

You’d think that but it’s not the case. Like generally I agree, but it’s not my experience.

 

[candycaro]

Im literally an ltb and I managed to find a rs even though I might not be facially attractive, im sure if you tried you’d find someone thats at least interested in you

Honestly shut up. You don’t know me or my experiences. You said you’re a ltb but didn’t mention your race or where you live.

 

[apeals]

Honestly shut up. You don’t know me or my experiences. You said you’re a ltb but didn’t mention your race or where you live.

Im sorry if I offended you, where you live may affect the way you’re perceived thats true but its still possible to find a partner even if you are an ltb but its obviously going to be harder but like you said, I don’t know you or your personal experiences to say how relationships work there but im asian and I do live in multicultural country which makes it easier for me to find someone.

 

[Hyaluronic]

You’d think that but it’s not the case. Like generally I agree, but it’s not my experience.

Might be a bit different in America but Im somebody who works in a late night fastfood store in a country with a very high clubbing culture and I used to be autistic on measuring these statistics so idk