Serious What is the race of MENAs and South Asians?

[Zodiac]

Supposedly anyone could be arabe as long as their first lang was arabic regardless of skin color or features.

And some NAs (North Africans) identify as berber/Amazigh, which is not a race as well.

Same thing is applied to South Asians.

 

[Zodiac]

Spoiler: Knowledgeable Bhais

@Incognito @BRUCEWAYNE78 @cookie-cel

 

[Zodiac]

Spoiler: Knowledgeable Bhais

@Incognito @BRUCEWAYNE78 @cookie-cel

Shit forgot to tag @Preston_Real

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

Race, ethnicity, and identity in regions like the Middle East, North Africa (MENA), and South Asia are complex and shaped by a mix of history, culture, language, and geography. Here's a breakdown of the concepts:

1. **Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) identities**:
- **Arab Identity**: Being "Arab" is primarily a linguistic and cultural identity rather than a racial one. As you noted, anyone whose first language is Arabic or who is part of an Arabic-speaking community can be considered Arab, regardless of skin color or physical features. Arabs are incredibly diverse, with populations ranging from very light-skinned people to darker-skinned individuals.
- **Berber/Amazigh Identity**: Berbers or Amazigh are indigenous to North Africa, particularly in regions like Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. They have their own languages and cultural practices. "Amazigh" is not a race but an ethnic and cultural group, and individuals within this group can have diverse appearances. Some Berbers might also identify as Arabs, while others strongly distinguish themselves from Arab identity.
- **Race in MENA**: The concept of "race" in the MENA region is fluid and not strictly defined by skin color. Historically, the region has seen significant mixing of peoples due to trade, migration, and conquest, leading to a wide spectrum of physical appearances.

2. **South Asian identities**:
- **South Asians**: South Asia is home to diverse ethnic, linguistic, and cultural groups, including Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, Nepalis, and others. Like MENA, South Asia cannot be categorized by a single racial type. The region has seen waves of migrations, invasions, and mixing, leading to vast diversity in physical features, skin color, and cultural practices.
- **Ethnic Groups**: South Asians identify more by ethnicity (such as Punjabi, Tamil, Bengali, etc.) and language (Hindi, Urdu, Tamil, Bengali, etc.) rather than by race. Caste and regional identity also play a significant role in shaping identity in some parts of South Asia.
- **Race in South Asia**: The racial categorization of South Asians is often seen through the lens of colonialism, where British and Western views tried to impose racial categories on populations. South Asians, however, do not fit neatly into a single racial category as understood in the West. They can range from very light-skinned to very dark-skinned.

In both regions, the idea of race is less significant compared to other identity markers like language, ethnicity, religion, and culture.

 

[cookie-cel]

Supposedly anyone could be arabe as long as their first lang was arabic regardless of skin color or features.

And some NAs (North Africans) identify as berber/Amazigh, which is not a race as well.

Same thing is applied to South Asians.

south asians and different form menas thats all i know.

 

[Zodiac]

Race, ethnicity, and identity in regions like the Middle East, North Africa (MENA), and South Asia are complex and shaped by a mix of history, culture, language, and geography. Here's a breakdown of the concepts:

1. **Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) identities**:
- **Arab Identity**: Being "Arab" is primarily a linguistic and cultural identity rather than a racial one. As you noted, anyone whose first language is Arabic or who is part of an Arabic-speaking community can be considered Arab, regardless of skin color or physical features. Arabs are incredibly diverse, with populations ranging from very light-skinned people to darker-skinned individuals.
- **Berber/Amazigh Identity**: Berbers or Amazigh are indigenous to North Africa, particularly in regions like Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. They have their own languages and cultural practices. "Amazigh" is not a race but an ethnic and cultural group, and individuals within this group can have diverse appearances. Some Berbers might also identify as Arabs, while others strongly distinguish themselves from Arab identity.
- **Race in MENA**: The concept of "race" in the MENA region is fluid and not strictly defined by skin color. Historically, the region has seen significant mixing of peoples due to trade, migration, and conquest, leading to a wide spectrum of physical appearances.

2. **South Asian identities**:
- **South Asians**: South Asia is home to diverse ethnic, linguistic, and cultural groups, including Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, Nepalis, and others. Like MENA, South Asia cannot be categorized by a single racial type. The region has seen waves of migrations, invasions, and mixing, leading to vast diversity in physical features, skin color, and cultural practices.
- **Ethnic Groups**: South Asians identify more by ethnicity (such as Punjabi, Tamil, Bengali, etc.) and language (Hindi, Urdu, Tamil, Bengali, etc.) rather than by race. Caste and regional identity also play a significant role in shaping identity in some parts of South Asia.
- **Race in South Asia**: The racial categorization of South Asians is often seen through the lens of colonialism, where British and Western views tried to impose racial categories on populations. South Asians, however, do not fit neatly into a single racial category as understood in the West. They can range from very light-skinned to very dark-skinned.

In both regions, the idea of race is less significant compared to other identity markers like language, ethnicity, religion, and culture.

That's why I was asking

 

[cookie-cel]

Race, ethnicity, and identity in regions like the Middle East, North Africa (MENA), and South Asia are complex and shaped by a mix of history, culture, language, and geography. Here's a breakdown of the concepts:

1. **Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) identities**:
- **Arab Identity**: Being "Arab" is primarily a linguistic and cultural identity rather than a racial one. As you noted, anyone whose first language is Arabic or who is part of an Arabic-speaking community can be considered Arab, regardless of skin color or physical features. Arabs are incredibly diverse, with populations ranging from very light-skinned people to darker-skinned individuals.
- **Berber/Amazigh Identity**: Berbers or Amazigh are indigenous to North Africa, particularly in regions like Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. They have their own languages and cultural practices. "Amazigh" is not a race but an ethnic and cultural group, and individuals within this group can have diverse appearances. Some Berbers might also identify as Arabs, while others strongly distinguish themselves from Arab identity.
- **Race in MENA**: The concept of "race" in the MENA region is fluid and not strictly defined by skin color. Historically, the region has seen significant mixing of peoples due to trade, migration, and conquest, leading to a wide spectrum of physical appearances.

2. **South Asian identities**:
- **South Asians**: South Asia is home to diverse ethnic, linguistic, and cultural groups, including Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, Nepalis, and others. Like MENA, South Asia cannot be categorized by a single racial type. The region has seen waves of migrations, invasions, and mixing, leading to vast diversity in physical features, skin color, and cultural practices.
- **Ethnic Groups**: South Asians identify more by ethnicity (such as Punjabi, Tamil, Bengali, etc.) and language (Hindi, Urdu, Tamil, Bengali, etc.) rather than by race. Caste and regional identity also play a significant role in shaping identity in some parts of South Asia.
- **Race in South Asia**: The racial categorization of South Asians is often seen through the lens of colonialism, where British and Western views tried to impose racial categories on populations. South Asians, however, do not fit neatly into a single racial category as understood in the West. They can range from very light-skinned to very dark-skinned.

In both regions, the idea of race is less significant compared to other identity markers like language, ethnicity, religion, and culture.

dnr

 

[Zodiac]

south asians and different form menas thats all i know.

Water, but what's their race? Anyone could identify as either arabe or south asian (as long as either was their first lang)

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

dnr

Read it ( for me)

 

[Zodiac]

@Nihilus

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

Water, but what's their race? Anyone could identify as either arabe or south asian (as long as either was their first lang)

Race, as a biological or genetic category, doesn't have clear-cut boundaries, especially when applied to populations from regions like MENA or South Asia. The idea of race is more of a social construct than a biological reality, and in many cases, regional identities like "Arab" or "South Asian" don't fit neatly into Western racial categories like Black, White, or Asian. However, here's how they might be categorized:

1. **Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) populations**:
- There isn't a single race for MENA populations. Instead, these regions are home to a variety of ethnic groups. In modern Western racial classifications, people from the Middle East and North Africa might be grouped under "Caucasian" or "White," though this doesn't fully capture the diversity of these populations.
- **Arabs** could be racially classified as Caucasian (in some Western contexts) but may have skin tones and physical features that vary widely, from very light-skinned to darker tones.
- **Berbers/Amazigh**: Similarly, Berbers are often classified as Caucasian, but their features also vary, with some identifying as Black or mixed.
- The region's racial identity is further complicated by historical migrations and trade with sub-Saharan Africa, Europe, and Asia, meaning many individuals in the MENA region have mixed ancestry.

2. **South Asians**:
- South Asians are generally classified as "Asian" in racial terms, but this is a broad and imprecise category.
- Within South Asia, there is immense diversity in physical appearance. For example:
- Some South Asians might have lighter skin and features more similar to people of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern descent.
- Others may have darker skin tones, often leading to comparisons with peoples of African or Dravidian ancestry (particularly in South India and Sri Lanka).
- Some racial theories from the colonial period tried to divide South Asians into "Aryan" (lighter-skinned, northern) and "Dravidian" (darker-skinned, southern) races, but this is now seen as an overly simplistic and problematic approach.

While people can identify as Arab or South Asian based on language and culture, there isn't a single race that defines these groups. Both MENA and South Asia are home to populations with a wide range of racial appearances due to centuries of migration, intermarriage, and cultural exchange. In modern racial categorizations, they are often lumped into broader categories like "Caucasian" or "Asian," but these don't capture the full complexity of their identities.

 

[Zodiac]

Race, as a biological or genetic category, doesn't have clear-cut boundaries, especially when applied to populations from regions like MENA or South Asia. The idea of race is more of a social construct than a biological reality, and in many cases, regional identities like "Arab" or "South Asian" don't fit neatly into Western racial categories like Black, White, or Asian. However, here's how they might be categorized:

1. **Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) populations**:
- There isn't a single race for MENA populations. Instead, these regions are home to a variety of ethnic groups. In modern Western racial classifications, people from the Middle East and North Africa might be grouped under "Caucasian" or "White," though this doesn't fully capture the diversity of these populations.
- **Arabs** could be racially classified as Caucasian (in some Western contexts) but may have skin tones and physical features that vary widely, from very light-skinned to darker tones.
- **Berbers/Amazigh**: Similarly, Berbers are often classified as Caucasian, but their features also vary, with some identifying as Black or mixed.
- The region's racial identity is further complicated by historical migrations and trade with sub-Saharan Africa, Europe, and Asia, meaning many individuals in the MENA region have mixed ancestry.

2. **South Asians**:
- South Asians are generally classified as "Asian" in racial terms, but this is a broad and imprecise category.
- Within South Asia, there is immense diversity in physical appearance. For example:
- Some South Asians might have lighter skin and features more similar to people of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern descent.
- Others may have darker skin tones, often leading to comparisons with peoples of African or Dravidian ancestry (particularly in South India and Sri Lanka).
- Some racial theories from the colonial period tried to divide South Asians into "Aryan" (lighter-skinned, northern) and "Dravidian" (darker-skinned, southern) races, but this is now seen as an overly simplistic and problematic approach.

While people can identify as Arab or South Asian based on language and culture, there isn't a single race that defines these groups. Both MENA and South Asia are home to populations with a wide range of racial appearances due to centuries of migration, intermarriage, and cultural exchange. In modern racial categorizations, they are often lumped into broader categories like "Caucasian" or "Asian," but these don't capture the full complexity of their identities.

Blud is using chatgpt

Bruh

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

Blud is using chatgpt

Bruh

Chat gpt Pilled once again

 

[Incognito]

I can only speak for us North Africans, particularly Moroccans. The Amazigh have a unique genetic makeup distinct to them, mixed with other haplogroups such as Iberian (from Portugal and Spain), West Asian (Turkey, Greece, etc.), and other African influences. So, to answer your question, I'm not entirely sure.

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

As for the Northern Parts of India
We are mutts

 

[Zodiac]

As for the Northern Parts of India
We are mutts

Aren't arabs NAs and entirety of south asia mixed

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

Aren't arabs NAs and entirety of south asia mixed

Ig yes

 

[cookie-cel]

Water, but what's their race? Anyone could identify as either arabe or south asian (as long as either was their first lang)

arabs look different from south asians
i can definietly differentiate an arab from a south asian.

 

[Zodiac]

Ig yes

The concept of three races might be true then, but idk


Caucasians, n*groids (this might be offensive idk), and mongoloids

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

arabs look different from south asians
i can definietly differentiate an arab from a south asian.

Yes mee too

 

[Zodiac]

arabs look different from south asians
i can definietly differentiate an arab from a south asian.

You can find european looking arabs and indian passing arabs though


You can't generalize innit

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

The concept of three races might be true then, but idk


Caucasians, n*groids (this might be offensive idk), and mongoloids

I agree
But indians can be negroid and caucasian both

 

[Zodiac]

I agree
But indians can be negroid and caucasian both

I'm talking about skull and features, not skin color only

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

I'm talking about skull and features, not skin color only

Yeah
I am taking both into account still

 

[Zodiac]

Yeah
I am taking both into account still

Maybe "race" was the friend we made along the way

 

[Preston_Real]

Anyone with J haplogroup is an arab. That includes parts of south asia and europe.

 

[cookie-cel]

You can find european looking arabs and indian passing arabs though


You can't generalize innit

i have never seen an indian passing arab tbh

 

[Zodiac]

i have never seen an indian passing arab tbh

I have tbh

 

[Preston_Real]

i have never seen an indian passing arab tbh

Gulf arabs can look Indian. Only Lebanese and levants really look euro. It makes more sense to classify people on haplogroups than some geographic boundaries

 

[Zodiac]

Anyone with J haplogroup is an arab. That includes parts of south asia and europe.

You can find lots of europeans and south asians with the J haplogroup

 

[Zodiac]

Gulf arabs can look Indian. Only Lebanese and levants really look euro. It makes more sense to classify people on haplogroups than some geographic boundaries

You can even find levants that can pass as south asian as well

 

[Preston_Real]

You can find lots of europeans and south asians with the J haplogroup

Yes amd they don't look euro or indian they look arab

 

[Zodiac]

Yes amd they don't look euro or indian they look arab

Idk about that tbh

 

[cookie-cel]

@Zodiac you were the one who told me races don't exist and skulls don't exist
this is a total 180 change.
anyways arabs don't look indian ,their pheno is different from us.

 

[Preston_Real]

Idk about that tbh

Manu bora is indian but looks arab. Michelle morrone is italian but look arab. They both look like they could be cousins. Despite being from two entirely different countries because they have similar genetic makeup

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

Manu bora is indian but looks arab. Michelle morrone is italian but look arab. They both look like they could be cousins. Despite being from two entirely different countries because they have similar genetic makeup

Talk about yourself
You can easily pass as dark filipino or Blasian

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

@cookie-cel how are you btw?
How was your day..

 

[Zodiac]

Manu bora is indian but looks arab. Michelle morrone is italian but look arab. They both look like they could be cousins. Despite being from two entirely different countries because they have similar genetic makeup

R1b's origin is also supposedly in western asia despite being prevalent in Europe

 

[Zodiac]

Talk about yourself
You can easily pass as dark filipino or Blasian

That's why I'm saying that being indian or south asian isn't a race


I thought @Preston_Real was from the Philippines the first time me and him interacted on org

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

That's why I'm saying that being indian or south asian isn't a race


I thought @Preston_Real was from the Philippines the first time me and him interacted on org

There are several indian people who can pass as different race

 

[Zodiac]

There are several indian people who can pass as different race

I know

 

[Preston_Real]

R1b's origin is also supposedly in western asia despite being prevalent in Europe

Yes it originated in west asia. Thr neolithic farmers but it is the most common in Europe.

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

I know

I wish i looked like @Preston_Real life would be so easy in the west

 

[Preston_Real]

Talk about yourself
You can easily pass as dark filipino or Blasian

That's why I'm saying that being indian or south asian isn't a race


I thought @Preston_Real was from the Philippines the first time me and him interacted on org

Not really. I think I look dravdian but not thr regular kind because of some asian traits. I always say I'm a curry anyway.

 

[Preston_Real]

I wish i looked like @Preston_Real life would be so easy in the west

Stop making this thread about me and baiting me for replies r****d

 

[Zodiac]

Not really. I think I look dravdian but not thr regular kind because of some asian traits. I always say I'm a curry anyway.

You don't look indian to me (ethnicity)

 

[BRUCEWAYNE78]

Stop making this thread about me and baiting me for replies r****d

Please give me rep saar
My family is poor

 

[Preston_Real]

There are several indian people who can pass as different race

That's why I'm saying that being indian or south asian isn't a race


I thought @Preston_Real was from the Philippines the first time me and him interacted on org

the thing is that genotype =/= phenotype. They are two completely different things because genes can express themselves in different ways. Ethnicities and pheno are never very rigid . It is a spectrum and there arr huge overlaps between ethnicities. Race and pheno is a lot more fluidic than many people on the forum think.

 

[Zodiac]

the thing is that genotype =/= phenotype. They are two completely different things because genes can express themselves in different ways. Ethnicities and pheno are never very rigid . It is a spectrum and there arr huge overlaps between ethnicities. Race and pheno is a lot more fluidic than many people on the forum think.

Aren't strict phenotypes confirmed old pseudoscience by modern scientists?

 

[Preston_Real]

Aren't strict phenotypes confirmed old pseudoscience by modern scientists?

Yes. Caucasoid, Mongoloid etc are outdated terms