Abortion is Wrong

[Garce]

Murder can be exempted like in cases of self-defense for example, though it's still wrong
Likewise for abortion

The baby wasn’t born still , if didn’t get to live , why would for example a girl ruin her life because she was graped because of an unborn

 

[BuII]

The baby wasn’t born still , if didn’t get to live , why would for example a girl ruin her life because she was graped because of an unborn

What? Whats ruining her life? Theres many cases of mothers happy w/ their children regardless of it being a product of R*pe.
And again transfer of care is always a feasible option. We aren't forcing you to take care of this child in any way lol

 

[Garce]

Self-defense, or the presence of a life-threat whether from an aggressor or unavoidable circumstance; is the only morally and legally justifiable reason for taking another human life. No other motive, cause, or perceived necessity can rightfully excuse it.

What? Whats ruining her life? Theres many cases of mothers happy w/ their children regardless of it being a product of R*pe.
And again transfer of care is always a feasible option. We aren't forcing you to take care of this child in any way lol

Because she can be 12 for an example , it will take a lot of opportunities from her.
I wouldn’t want to see my grapers face on my child tbh.
Medical bills of pregnancy cost a ton and not everyone has the money to pay for it and them just transfer the care , birth can cause a lot of complications too and health risks do not everyone want to pay a ton and go through a lot of pain to transfer the care but at the same time don’t want the child so… abortion

 

[BuII]

Because she can be 12 for an example, it will take a lot of opportunities from her.

What opportunities?
So a 12yr old that was r*ped miraculously gets pregnant and has life threatening complications.
Just say the worst possible event you can possibly think of theory. Like fuck why can't we ever talk about pragmatics.

I wouldn’t want to see my grapers face on my child tbh.

So transfer care? Also Arbitrary.

Medical bills of pregnancy cost a ton and not everyone has the money to pay for it and them just transfer the care , birth can cause a lot of complications too and health risks do not everyone want to pay a ton and go through a lot of pain to transfer the care but at the same time don’t want the child so… abortion

No, Transfer of care is giving the child to a willing guardian lol. No pain & no Cost. You don't need to see the child anymore, care for it. Done.
Do we not live in the 21st Century? Does Financial aid not exist anymore? TANF, Medicaid, CHIP, or Even Non-Profits.

 

[Ruin]

Done.

 

[Xoogster]

The world is unfair by design
The wise adapt and fools cry ‘injustice’.

Having sex with a good for nothing negro who forgot to use a condom and then aborting the baby isn't wise, it's low iq hedonism

 

[giga.mia]

What opportunities?
So a 12yr old that was r*ped miraculously gets pregnant and has life threatening complications.
Just say the worst possible event you can possibly think of theory. Like fuck why can't we ever talk about pragmatics.

So transfer care? Also Arbitrary.

No, Transfer of care is giving the child to a willing guardian lol. No pain & no Cost. You don't need to see the child anymore, care for it. Done.
Do we not live in the 21st Century? Does Financial aid not exist anymore? TANF, Medicaid, CHIP, or Even Non-Profits.

Do u believe in exceptions atleast? Even tho a kid getting r***d and winding up pregnant is rare it still happens. Don’t you think they should be an exception?

 

[Aristocrat]

too many people on earth and we should do everything in our power (short of genocide) to reduce the human population for the sustainability of humanity

 

[Xoogster]

Plenty of 16 year old n*****s have sexually assaulted people before, it’s a little concerning you find that to be untrue. And pardon me for thinking your a 40 year old incel who lives in his mothers basement, but with the shit you say on here nobody can blame me for thinking that way

Meds

 

[BuII]

Do u believe in exceptions atleast? Even tho a kid getting r***d and winding up pregnant is rare it still happens. Don’t you think they should be an exception?

No, theres a human life at stake here. I don't believe in exceptions.

 

[BuII]

too many people on earth and we should do everything in our power (short of genocide) to reduce the human population for the sustainability of humanity

There is no Overpopulation issue anywhere expect India maybe.
But even so, This is what happens -> Population -> Death -> Population -> Death
Animals continue to Populate -> Death ( Eaten by us ) / Resources we use Grow -> Used by us & left to grow again Its a never-ending cycle.

Less we destroy the earth or something

 

[Trilltown]

No, theres a human life at stake here. I don't believe in exceptions.

you value something that’s not even alive yet over an already pre existing life

 

[Trilltown]

What? Whats ruining her life? Theres many cases of mothers happy w/ their children regardless of it being a product of R*pe.
And again transfer of care is always a feasible option. We aren't forcing you to take care of this child in any way lol

Your acting like giving birth is just a woman spreading her legs and popping a child out in two seconds. It’s not something an undeveloped body is meant to do and can cause long term damage the girls body. It’s dangerous and it should be up to the mom if she’s that young

 

[BuII]

you value something that’s not even alive yet over an already pre existing life

The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.

It Is Living since Conception. A Human life.

 

[BuII]

Your acting like giving birth is just a woman spreading her legs and popping a child out in two seconds. It’s not something an undeveloped body is meant to do and can cause long term damage the girls body. It’s dangerous and it should be up to the mom if she’s that young

So get a C-section if Delivery isnt a viable option & avoid all complication.

 

[Trilltown]

It Is Living since Conception. A Human life.

Personally I think most people value sentience and human connection.

 

[BuII]

Personally I think most people value sentience and human connection.

On Value;
Yeah if I said value is only based on levels of sentience & conscious experience. But I don't.
Being simply Human gives you inherent value. Yet it is in conjunct with sentience & conscious experience of course. Not equal, just in conjuct
Human Identity > Consciousness >= Sentience/Sapience
Am I going to give a Fetus - a living member of the Human species Moral value despite not being consciousness & having an (albeit) "low level" of sentience? Yes, as I give a person in comotose them same ( MVS or PVS ); or a person of equivalent sentience or cognitive ability/structure to a fetus ( In Cases of Anencephaly ) ; or one even in death the same. ( Desecration of graves/tombs/burials/corpse is Unjust & Immoral. )
Well, not the SAME - SAME in Death; But you understand I'd still morally value this over an animal. Living / Dead is a big distinction

 

[Trilltown]

So get a C-section if Delivery isnt a viable option & avoid all complication.

Even then there’s still lots of health risks for the babies and the mother herself

 

[BuII]

Even then there’s still lots of health risks for the babies and the mother herself

Like what

 

[Trilltown]

Like what

I’m surprised u haven’t looked into this urself. There’s risks of possible infertility, infections, low weight baby, breathing problems for the baby, and obvi there’s a higher death risk than a vaginal birth, blood clots, but then again there’s not many teens who even go through with giving birth let alone getting c sections. So it’s hard to find statistics on this in terms of teenagers experiences

 

[BuII]

I’m surprised u haven’t looked into this urself. There’s risks of possible infertility, infections, low weight baby, breathing problems for the baby, and obvi there’s a higher death risk than a vaginal birth, blood clots, but then again there’s not many teens who even go through with giving birth let alone getting c sections. So it’s hard to find statistics on this in terms of teenagers experiences

Yeah thats ture

 

[Trilltown]

Yeah thats ture

And then also (lowk common sense) teen moms are way more likely to die than a developed mom. I don’t remember the exact chances but they are way more likely to die than already developed mothers. This is most likely because they have undeveloped bodies (which can also really affect carrying the fetus). So like, overall there should be some sort of exception for young girls. I think I read somewhere that the risks are way higher for girls under 16.

 

[BuII]

And then also (lowk common sense) teen moms are way more likely to die than a developed mom. I don’t remember the exact chances but they are way more likely to die than already developed mothers. This is most likely because they have undeveloped bodies (which can also really affect carrying the fetus). So like, overall there should be some sort of exception for young girls. I think I read somewhere that the risks are way higher for girls under 16.

No yeah thats a given fact Im not tryna refute it. 16+ is the age where your normally capable to conceive.
Below that age if you even get pregnant I deem it as Statutory R*pe. The law presumes that a minor cannot legally consent, regardless of whether they outwardly agreed to the activity. <15 I agree that they cannot legally consent or understand the ramifications of sex.

But regardless there are 2 lives at stake here. That of mother & child ~ I find the attempt too preserve both of these lives the more virtuous than the death of one for the sake of the other. In a situation like this, we ought to strive for the future that embodies the highest good.

 

[The Centipede]

I just got my dad pregnant with a butt-baby.

 

[RRM]

Unjust, Immoral, & Retarded

Correct

 

[Garce]

What opportunities?
So a 12yr old that was r*ped miraculously gets pregnant and has life threatening complications.
Just say the worst possible event you can possibly think of theory. Like fuck why can't we ever talk about pragmatics.

So transfer care? Also Arbitrary.

No, Transfer of care is giving the child to a willing guardian lol. No pain & no Cost. You don't need to see the child anymore, care for it. Done.
Do we not live in the 21st Century? Does Financial aid not exist anymore? TANF, Medicaid, CHIP, or Even Non-Profits.

Yeah I’ll say one of the worst case scenarios because it’s proving a point ..
And even if there aren’t costs paint definitely will be ..
Birthing a child is one of the most painful things and also pregnancy can cause a ton of complications, if you want to I’ll send a list but it’s not hard to think by yourself about at least 20 of them..

 

[KissMyAxe]

Unjust, Immoral, & Retarded

what the hell are you describing yourself in a thread about abortion? We already know you are unjust, Immoral, & Retarded

 

[ineedthatrazor]

I don’t think people on both sides from it’s wrong and right bother to do full research. Abortions aren’t done when a baby start to show signs of organs and/or limbs because it’s obviously alive at that point. There are times where doctors literally advise women to get an abortion. Plus there’s so many kids in foster care in the US or in the world all together. Most kids from foster care or adoption centers don’t end up okay and a lot of kids born into a family that didn’t want them CAN and WILL feel and see how they never wanted them and will feel neglected. I’m not saying it’s 100% correct but it should at-least have some restrictions.