Abrahamic religions are the foundation of human morality

[appealgod123]

And the reason society is lost is because people are drifting away from abrahmic religions

 

[Caterpillar]

wrong morality is subjective

 

[meh.guy]

And the reason society is lost is because people are drifting away from abrahmic religions

Trvke

 

[appealgod123]

wrong morality is subjective

If morality is subjective then i would say raping is normal to me

See…

 

[Caterpillar]

If morality is subjective then i would say raping is normal to me

See…

thats the entire point its exactly why u feel bad for killing a human but not an ant +only low iq base their entire personality and beliefs on morality

 

[appealgod123]

thats the entire point its exactly why u feel bad for killing a human but not an ant

The comparision here doesnt make sense, because us human emphasize with humans more than ants

only low iq base their entire personality and beliefs on morality

We need to have morals in our daily life to work as a society or function

 

[Caterpillar]

We need to have morals in our daily life to work as a society or function

i do agree with you on this point however there is no objective moral anchor everyone goes on abt their life and live up to the stature they chose for themselves im js saying ppl can feel empathy for a lot of things one of which are ants

 

[Luffy]

i do agree with you on this point however there is no objective moral anchor everyone goes on abt their life and live up to the stature they chose for themselves im js saying ppl can feel empathy for a lot of things one of which are ants

I felt bad for kill a bug once. He was just chilling and I went out of my way to kill it
RIP

 

[Caterpillar]

I felt bad for kill a bug once. He was just chilling and I went out of my way to kill it
RIP

poor bug

 

[True_Fakecell]

And the reason society is lost is because people are drifting away from abrahmic religions

Why is he saying the truth?

 

[appealgod123]

i do agree with you on this point however there is no objective moral anchor everyone goes on abt their life and live up to the stature they chose for themselves im js saying ppl can feel empathy for a lot of things one of which are ants

Objective morality built these “subjective morality” its just people include and exclude whatever they want from the objective morality.

Your prohibited to kill ants in islam so here

 

[ltb]

originally and mostly Judeo-Christian morals but sure you could say that

 

[Caterpillar]

its just people include and exclude whatever they want from the objective morality.

exactly there you go ppl morality consists of what they like and exclude what they want and its always due to natural selection how they were raised did they have acess to resourcces etc

 

[Caterpillar]

originally and mostly Judeo-Christian morals but sure you could say that

goy

 

[ltb]

goy

im 7% jewish checkmate

 

[Caterpillar]

im 7% jewish checkmate

they dont claim u

 

[ltb]

they dont claim u

big ben come save me from this goy

 

[Caterpillar]

big ben come save me from this goy

@Netanyahu save her ig

 

[appealgod123]

exactly there you go ppl morality consists of what they like and exclude what they want and its always due to natural selection how they were raised did they have acess to resourcces etc

However they peoples morality isnt right because they “exclude” it. Lets take abortion for example, or hook-up culture being normalized

Religion includes all objective morality you need, as it covers whats right and wrong

 

[meh.guy]

big ben come save me from this goy

Ya Allah

 

[appealgod123]

originally and mostly Judeo-Christian morals but sure you could say that

Because all abrahamic religions have similar conceptions and beliefs??

 

[ltb]

Ya Allah

2-3 years mecca and forget

 

[Caterpillar]

However they peoples morality isnt right because they “exclude” it. Lets take abortion for example, or hook-up culture being normalized

Religion includes all objective morality you need, as it covers whats right and wrong

saying smth is right or wrong is bare endocrination it simply doesnt exist its smth observed in nature that have been passed to us

 

[yielded]

And the reason society is lost is because people are drifting away from abrahmic religions

Yooo

 

[ltb]

Because all abrahamic religions have similar conceptions and beliefs??

yes but the origin of modern morality came from jewish & christian traditions islam came way after those were established so it wouldnt be accurate to say that we derived modern morals from islam at least not in the west

 

[yielded]

mecca 2-3 years and forget

in'sha'Allah

 

[meh.guy]

mecca 2-3 years and forget

Happened to my friend

 

[ltb]

Happened to my friend

im so sorry for your friend

 

[meh.guy]

im so sorry for your friend

He moved to Egypt and then Saudi Arabia but preferred egypt

 

[meh.guy]

im so sorry for your friend

But Mecca is quite nice though

 

[appealgod123]

saying smth is right or wrong is bare endocrination it simply doesnt exist its smth observed in nature that have been passed to us

so back when people used to bury their own baby girls to death it was something observed in nature?? Or did islam actually set morals for us to understand that murder is prohibited

 

[ltb]

He moved to Egypt and then Saudi Arabia but preferred egypt

life in saudi is so much better though?? egypt theres barely anything to do except sahel and eating goyslop blaban

 

[appealgod123]

yes but the origin of modern morality came from jewish & christian traditions islam came way after those were established so it wouldnt be accurate to say that we derived modern morals from islam at least not in the west

Well yes okay but there are misconceptions which islam fixed

 

[ltb]

But Mecca is quite nice though

very nice for a few days but Medina is a lot better to live in

 

[appealgod123]

life in saudi is so much better though?? egypt theres barely anything to do except sahel and eating goyslop blaban

Ou shi blaban mentioned

 

[ltb]

Well yes okay but there are misconceptions which islam fixed

ehhh maybe they fixed misconceptions in religion but those werent adopted into western morality in the middle east the changes were adopted and integrated though

 

[Caterpillar]

so back when people used to bury their own baby girls to death it was something observed in nature?? Or did islam actually set morals for us to understand that murder is prohibited

its not that they lacked morality its their culture that made them commit those acts us humans are capable of upholding cultres and traditions and that was the first time such phenomenon was observed bc none of the other species were intelligent enough to do so and let me remind u there are so many older muslim men that marry girls fresh into their teenage hood how is that not morally wrong did islam not set a rule for that

 

[meh.guy]

life in saudi is so much better though?? egypt theres barely anything to do except sahel and eating goyslop blaban

And smoke cigarettes and talk to Syrian girls

 

[ltb]

And smoke cigarettes and talk to Syrian girls

no need to smoke a cigarette just step outside and take a deep breath youll get the same effect

 

[meh.guy]

no need to smoke a cigarette just step outside and take a deep breath youll get the same effect

?

 

[ltb]

?

air quality is shit in egypt

 

[True_Fakecell]

yes but the origin of modern morality came from jewish & christian traditions islam came way after those were established so it wouldnt be accurate to say that we derived modern morals from islam at least not in the west

I'm pretty sure Islam also brought I alot of rulings on divorce rights and property rights and slave ownership and some other stuff I kinda forgot

 

[ltb]

divorce rights

maybe im not sure about that

property rights

western laws and "morality" on property rights dont follow islamic ideals

slave ownership

the perspective of slave ownership being immoral in the west developed independently from islam so it didnt originate from islam

 

[Caterpillar]

Well yes okay but there are misconceptions which islam fixed

what abt the inheritance rights a women is entitled to 1/2 a mans inheritance a wife is only entiteled to 1/8 of the inheritance if there are children but a man is 1/4

 

[appealgod123]

its not that they lacked morality its their culture that made them commit those acts us humans are capable of upholding cultres and traditions and that was the first time such phenomenon was observed bc none of the other species were intelligent enough to do so and let me remind u there are so many older muslim men that marry girls fresh into their teenage hood how is that not morally wrong did islam not set a rule for that

Culture is subjective morality and look at what it caused to them back in the time

Islam set a rule that a woman has the right to choose who she wants
“A previously married woman has more right regarding herself than her guardian, and the permission of a virgin must be sought [for marriage].”
(Sahih Muslim)

Which says its up to the woman if she want to or not

 

[True_Fakecell]

maybe im not sure about that


western laws and "morality" on property rights dont follow islamic ideals


the perspective of slave ownership being immoral in the west developed independently from islam so it didnt originate from islam

I was talking about abrahamic rulings not Western morality

 

[appealgod123]

I'm pretty sure Islam also brought I alot of rulings on divorce rights and property rights and slave ownership and some other stuff I kinda forgot

True, the sharia law basically

Pork is prohibited and so in non-halal meat, whcih means that the meat is cleaner

 

[ltb]

I was talking about abrahamic rulings not Western morality

thats not what the thread is about nor what i was talking about

 

[Caterpillar]

Culture is subjective morality and look at what it caused to them back in the time

Islam set a rule that a woman has the right to choose who she wants
“A previously married woman has more right regarding herself than her guardian, and the permission of a virgin must be sought [for marriage].”
(Sahih Muslim)

Which says its up to the woman if she want to or not

culture is in fact not subjective if a set of standards and values and education is what define a culture then its not what subjective at all
beside before islam im pretty sure the quraish ppl belived in other deitys therefore they had acess to previus "objective morality" that they full heartedly belived was right

 

[M1A2 Abrams]

Abrahamic religions and all religions are cope. @appealgod123

It's baffling how people can reject all facts and logic that has been presented to them in favor of a old tribal tale that grew into a larger organization. Before you come for me saying "I don't know anything," I've read the bible 4x and the new testament 6x. While I haven't yet touched the quran I think I understand its basic premise.

From here on we will define "normal" as people without mental disorders that inhibit their judgement and empathetic abilities

Morals have not come from abrahamic religions but rather, basic human morals that were always imbedded in most normal minded people were made present in those texts. There are always some basic "morals" in normal people that allow them to be altruistic and function in society with others of their kind. The "golden rule" to not do unto others what you do not want onto oneself is found in across different cultures and religions that are not abrahamic, which points to the fact that human morals are generated by humans themselves and are not from the abrahamic religions.

Humans make stories with their morals, not the other way around.

You say the world has become less moral as abrahamic religions decline but I would say they have little to no connection, and if they do, it is a negative correlation.