Discussion Am I a terrible person or was it my terrible upbringing that me this way.

[Ultramaxxfiresigma]

I want to believe that everyone isn’t inherently evil, but I can’t help but think that even if my upbringing was good and anything that I wished for came my way, I would still be a piece of shit in my heart. I would still bully others. I would still hate myself. I will still want something more, even if everything was perfect, but then again I feel as if this line of thinking may be flawed when I was growing up, I was physically abused by my mom by her friends around her by the people that she brought into our lives. I was sexually abused by people that my mom made connections with I was bullied all throughout my life, things never came easily, and I always make excuses for what I lacked so with this in mind, I would like to believe my upbringing has influenced my line of thinking I don’t know what to believe anymore a few years ago I was an atheist and then found God again, but with everything that has happened and things that continue to happen and looking at everything in a new perspective, I feel as if there is no God and I feel as if all the suffering has been for nothing and I will continue to suffer as long as I’m alive for nothing I’m sorry I would like to say sorry for all the people that may genuinely love me. I’m sorry for all the trouble I have caused you in life. I do not wish to be reborn into a new life. I do not wish to go to heaven or hell. I wish everything would just stop, but I also have an appreciation for the things I’ve experienced and the things I have seen and I do find an abstract beauty in it all, but it’s all so meaningless and it’s brutal.

Love you bro, i know i'm a harsh person in general because of the experiences i've had in life.. i was bullied so hard when i was younger so i worked my ass off for a amazing physique and becoming a person i can be proud of. don't take the nihilism pill itll get you no where

 

[Ultramaxxfiresigma]

irrelevant. People in every religion make mistakes and not everyone follow it properly. Sure there are christians who act bad but they are going agaist christianity. The religion doesnt teach that revenge is ok. I could say im a muslim rn and murder someone. Doesnt mean that islam teaches that killing is ok. Judge a religion by its scripture and not its people because we are all sinners.

Exactly, it's not the people following the religion that determine the religion, it's the principles and the teachings, in this case Jesus was the teacher and he was the most righteous person and non toxic,

 

[Ultramaxxfiresigma]

Ok this is rlly untrue, Christianity is known for being toxic in fact all religions are. A lot of ppl take revenge in place of Christianity, I mean one of the most obvious examples is the ppl that settled America forcing those who weren’t Christian to be killed or either forced and tortured to join Christianity, they also discriminated against Catholics even though Christianity and Catholicism are similar.

This is like saying if you had a very righteous set of morals, but you ignore those morals and commit bad actions, it makes the morals wrong, which is untrue.

 

[Lelemane]

irrelevant. People in every religion make mistakes and not everyone follow it properly. Sure there are christians who act bad but they are going agaist christianity. The religion doesnt teach that revenge is ok. I could say im a muslim rn and murder someone. Doesnt mean that islam teaches that killing is ok. Judge a religion by its scripture and not its people because we are all sinners.

It’s not irrelevant because u were saying Christian’s don’t do that because they weren’t taught that and were taught kindness. Regardless of religion everyone is taught abt kindness and ppl still kill, that’s why I said what u said was untrue. I’m confused because ur changing ur statement now

 

[Lelemane]

Not true, it's not Christianity but it's the people. You can't say somethings toxic because a subset of the population are toxic.

I never said it’s entirely Christianity or the religion. I only mentioned that because she said how Christian’s don’t do that when in fact many have.

 

[Lelemane]

This is like saying if you had a very righteous set of morals, but you ignore those morals and commit bad actions, it makes the morals wrong, which is untrue.

I never worded it that way.. I was only showing her an example of Christian’s being toxic despite them being religious because she was saying how they aren’t, I’m not saying all are. But I’m saying there is a real life example in Christianity of that happening.

 

[lemonpie]

It’s not irrelevant because u were saying Christian’s don’t do that because they weren’t taught that and were taught kindness. Regardless of religion everyone is taught abt kindness and ppl still kill, that’s why I said what u said was untrue. I’m confused because ur changing ur statement now

Im not changing my statement, i am disproving your counter argument. You mentioned specific instances where Christians have taken revenge which is completely irrelevant as everyone sins. “Christians” who say that revenge is acceptable despite the Bible stating clearly that it isnt, are choosing to go against Gods word and therefore not Christians, or part of the graph. Then there are the people who are aware that revenge is unacceptable yet still take it. These people are just like everyone else who struggle with sin. The different is that majority of them are actually trying to be better. The man said that he “never” see christians taking revenge the same as muslims. He doesnt mean never as in literally never, but its quite obvious that someone who is taught that revenge is never okay will be taking less revenge than someone who is taught that revenge is okay under certain circumstances. This is proven by the fact that Christians take less revenge than the rest of humanity.

Regardless of religion everyone is taught abt kindness and ppl still kill

This is untrue. All religions teach their own version of kindness. Objective morality is not something humans could ever know. Everyone has different perspectives and therefore no one has the whole picture. The whole picture is needed to define definite reality. We might be looking at the same apple, but im looking at it from a different angle, and you have seen a few more apples before then i have, maybe i blinked at a specific time, etc. No matter how small the difference is, no one living or dead shares an identical perspective with another human being. Only someone who can see the world through all perspectives possible would be able to define ultimate reality. Someone who is all knowing. We do not know which religion teaches the right version of what kindness is and we never will, but according to my perspective its Christianity.

 

[Dandelions]

Im not changing my statement, i am disproving your counter argument. You mentioned specific instances where Christians have taken revenge which is completely irrelevant as everyone sins. “Christians” who say that revenge is acceptable despite the Bible stating clearly that it isnt, are choosing to go against Gods word and therefore not Christians, or part of the graph. Then there are the people who are aware that revenge is unacceptable yet still take it. These people are just like everyone else who struggle with sin. The different is that majority of them are actually trying to be better. The man said that he “never” see christians taking revenge the same as muslims. He doesnt mean never as in literally never, but its quite obvious that someone who is taught that revenge is never okay will be taking less revenge than someone who is taught that revenge is okay under certain circumstances. This is proven by the fact that Christians take less revenge than the rest of humanity.

This is untrue. All religions teach their own version of kindness. Objective morality is not something humans could ever know. Everyone has different perspectives and therefore no one has the whole picture. The whole picture is needed to define definite reality. We might be looking at the same apple, but im looking at it from a different angle, and you have seen a few more apples before then i have, maybe i blinked at a specific time, etc. No matter how small the difference is, no one living or dead shares an identical perspective with another human being. Only someone who can see the world through all perspectives possible would be able to define ultimate reality. Someone who is all knowing. We do not know which religion teaches the right version of what kindness is and we never will, but according to my perspective its Christianity.

Come and get that killshot baby

 

[Lelemane]

Im not changing my statement, i am disproving your counter argument. You mentioned specific instances where Christians have taken revenge which is completely irrelevant as everyone sins. “Christians” who say that revenge is acceptable despite the Bible stating clearly that it isnt, are choosing to go against Gods word and therefore not Christians, or part of the graph. Then there are the people who are aware that revenge is unacceptable yet still take it. These people are just like everyone else who struggle with sin. The different is that majority of them are actually trying to be better. The man said that he “never” see christians taking revenge the same as muslims. He doesnt mean never as in literally never, but its quite obvious that someone who is taught that revenge is never okay will be taking less revenge than someone who is taught that revenge is okay under certain circumstances. This is proven by the fact that Christians take less revenge than the rest of humanity.

This is untrue. All religions teach their own version of kindness. Objective morality is not something humans could ever know. Everyone has different perspectives and therefore no one has the whole picture. The whole picture is needed to define definite reality. We might be looking at the same apple, but im looking at it from a different angle, and you have seen a few more apples before then i have, maybe i blinked at a specific time, etc. No matter how small the difference is, no one living or dead shares an identical perspective with another human being. Only someone who can see the world through all perspectives possible would be able to define ultimate reality. Someone who is all knowing. We do not know which religion teaches the right version of what kindness is and we never will, but according to my perspective its Christianity.

Dude ur just bringing in new info u never mentioned and expecting me to reply based on the info I wasn’t told. Yeah Christian’s who take revenge go against god, but u just labeled them as “Christians” you didn’t explicitly say that if they did was something considered wrong they aren’t considered Christian’s. I just went off the religion those people had and what they did. You said that person “worded it perfectly” because they said Muslim immigrants shouldn’t be allowed which is obviously gave me the idea that u think Christian’s can do no wrong but other religions can.

And for ur second paragraph I’m not even mentioning religion hello I’m just mentioning morals we were taught since we were born and till we die, which is to be kind. Ik kindness can be explained differently among each religion but I’m just starting abt surface level teaching we were all taught REGARDLESS of religion.

 

[choripan]

How is it that someone venting about having a shit ass life turned into a black and a woman arguing about Christianity

I'm sorry for you @Axii btw I just readed. Don't do a massive shooting please

 

[choripan]

Nah dude you’re misinterpreting the message

Besides this life we live by is nature anyway if I instinctively wanted to r**e and kill I would have done it already I already don't care about society and the thought of me going to prison, if I really wanted to I would.

I instinctively want to just chill and shiet thats why I skipped school today

High iq take unironically BASED

 

[lemonpie]

Dude ur just bringing in new info u never mentioned and expecting me to reply based on the info I wasn’t told.

This is kind of the point of our conversation. You are uneducated on theology and i am explaining it to you. From your perspective you are trying to bring me new info aswell.

Yeah Christian’s who take revenge go against god, but u once again said “Christian’s” you didn’t explicitly say that because they did that they aren’t considered Christian’s.

It is not really my problem if you didnt know that. Im not wikipedia. I dont need to include in depth explanations in all my messages to make sure that anyone who might want to start a discussion has the whole picture. If you feel like you dont know much about this topic than you would like to, or that youre just not interested in the topic, why discuss it with someone who likes the topic? You cant seriously blame me for the fact that you didnt know what heresy was.

I just went off the religion those people had and what they did.

i understand, and i explained to you why thats wrong.

You said they “worded it perfectly” because they said Muslim immigrants shouldn’t be allowed which is obviously giving me the idea that u think Christian’s can do no wrong but other religions can.

This is what James said:

It's funny, you never see Christians out there beheading anyone for mocking Christ. People publish images of Jesus dressed in drag and all sorts of other compromising portrayals. Jesus is mocked more than any other figure/deity. It's only the Muslims who do that sort of thing. Killing people for insulting their prophet. That's why Muslims refugees should never be allowed to immigrate. Let other stable Muslim countries like Saudi, Kuwait, Jordan, or Egypt take them. The West is stupid for taking people who aren't compatible.

His statements are extremely true. I never see Christians beheading people for mocking Jesus. Jesus is mocked more than any other deity. It is generally speaking mostly muslims who still do that sort of thing. I agree that muslim refugees should seek refuge in other stable muslim countries instead of non muslim countries, and i think the idea was extremely well put. West is very stupid for taking in people who aren’t compatible. It creates conflict and does the opposite of uniting people.

obviously gave me the idea that u think Christian’s can do no wrong but other religions can.

Nowhere in James statement nor mine do i express that Christians can do no wrong. Surely there are other wrongs you can do that doesn’t involve beheading someone. Im not responsible for your guessbased conclusions.

And for ur second paragraph I’m not even mentioning religion hello

ok

I’m just mentioning morals we were taught since we were born and till we die, which is to be kind. Ik kindness can be explained differently among each religion but I’m just starting abt surface level teaching we were all taught REGARDLESS of religion.

Religion is heavily precent in how our societal norms of morality were formed. Even if youre not religious, you most likely share an ideology derived from religious doctrine without your knowing. But regardless if you meant religion or morality outside of religion, my argument works the same. Those who do not subscribe to a religion but still try to express “surface level teaching” do not share perspectives with anyone either. They can not define ultimate reality and therefore can not know if the morality agreed upon by society and human instinct aligns with what the correct morality is for someone who is all knowing. There does not need to actually be someone all knowing for my point to stand. Im simply pointing at the fact that if anyone at all knew definite reality, they would need to be all knowing.

 

[Whitepill]

This is kind of the point of our conversation. You are uneducated on theology and i am explaining it to you. From your perspective you are trying to bring me new info aswell.

It is not really my problem if you didnt know that. Im not wikipedia. I dont need to include in depth explanations in all my messages to make sure that anyone who might want to start a discussion has the whole picture. If you feel like you dont know much about this topic than you would like to, or that youre just not interested in the topic, why discuss it with someone who likes the topic? You cant seriously blame me for the fact that you didnt know what heresy was.

i understand, and i explained to you why thats wrong.

This is what James said:

It's funny, you never see Christians out there beheading anyone for mocking Christ. People publish images of Jesus dressed in drag and all sorts of other compromising portrayals. Jesus is mocked more than any other figure/deity. It's only the Muslims who do that sort of thing. Killing people for insulting their prophet. That's why Muslims refugees should never be allowed to immigrate. Let other stable Muslim countries like Saudi, Kuwait, Jordan, or Egypt take them. The West is stupid for taking people who aren't compatible.

His statements are extremely true. I never see Christians beheading people for mocking Jesus. Jesus is mocked more than any other deity. It is generally speaking mostly muslims who still do that sort of thing. I agree that muslim refugees should seek refuge in other stable muslim countries instead of non muslim countries, and i think the idea was extremely well put. West is very stupid for taking in people who aren’t compatible. It creates conflict and does the opposite of uniting people.

Nowhere in James statement nor mine do i express that Christians can do no wrong. Surely there are other wrongs you can do that doesn’t involve beheading someone. Im not responsible for your guessbased conclusions.

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Religion is heavily precent in how our societal norms of morality were formed. Even if youre not religious, you most likely share an ideology derived from religious doctrine without your knowing. But regardless if you meant religion or morality outside of religion, my argument works the same. Those who do not subscribe to a religion but still try to express “surface level teaching” do not share perspectives with anyone either. They can not define ultimate reality and therefore can not know if the morality agreed upon by society and human instinct aligns with what the correct morality is for someone who is all knowing. There does not need to actually be someone all knowing for my point to stand. Im simply pointing at the fact that if anyone at all knew definite reality, they would need to be all knowing.

i dont like religion
but you are completely correct here

 

[Lelemane]

This is kind of the point of our conversation. You are uneducated on theology and i am explaining it to you. From your perspective you are trying to bring me new info aswell.

It is not really my problem if you didnt know that. Im not wikipedia. I dont need to include in depth explanations in all my messages to make sure that anyone who might want to start a discussion has the whole picture. If you feel like you dont know much about this topic than you would like to, or that youre just not interested in the topic, why discuss it with someone who likes the topic? You cant seriously blame me for the fact that you didnt know what heresy was.

i understand, and i explained to you why thats wrong.

This is what James said:

It's funny, you never see Christians out there beheading anyone for mocking Christ. People publish images of Jesus dressed in drag and all sorts of other compromising portrayals. Jesus is mocked more than any other figure/deity. It's only the Muslims who do that sort of thing. Killing people for insulting their prophet. That's why Muslims refugees should never be allowed to immigrate. Let other stable Muslim countries like Saudi, Kuwait, Jordan, or Egypt take them. The West is stupid for taking people who aren't compatible.

His statements are extremely true. I never see Christians beheading people for mocking Jesus. Jesus is mocked more than any other deity. It is generally speaking mostly muslims who still do that sort of thing. I agree that muslim refugees should seek refuge in other stable muslim countries instead of non muslim countries, and i think the idea was extremely well put. West is very stupid for taking in people who aren’t compatible. It creates conflict and does the opposite of uniting people.

Nowhere in James statement nor mine do i express that Christians can do no wrong. Surely there are other wrongs you can do that doesn’t involve beheading someone. Im not responsible for your guessbased conclusions.

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Religion is heavily precent in how our societal norms of morality were formed. Even if youre not religious, you most likely share an ideology derived from religious doctrine without your knowing. But regardless if you meant religion or morality outside of religion, my argument works the same. Those who do not subscribe to a religion but still try to express “surface level teaching” do not share perspectives with anyone either. They can not define ultimate reality and therefore can not know if the morality agreed upon by society and human instinct aligns with what the correct morality is for someone who is all knowing. There does not need to actually be someone all knowing for my point to stand. Im simply pointing at the fact that if anyone at all knew definite reality, they would need to be all knowing.

It’s not rlly the point of our convo, I just wanted to say Christian’s do the same thing as well. I was trying to deny anything ur just over thinking the stuff im saying, I never wanted to be educated on theology because I never asked for it in the first place.

“I’m not Wikipedia” I obviously know that, but if u don’t give context how would I ever know your talking abt that like what

U still said that he worded it perfectly, and wtf do u mean “non-compatible” hello it’s a human being? Ur acting like they’re an invasive species. It’s not true, yes Jesus may be mocked. But Muslims are also mocked for their hijabs and religion. You not educated on the reasons why Muslim immigrants move out of Muslim countries anyways.

And the reason why I assumed u thought that way abt Christian’s doing no wrong was because u said “The reason you dont see Christians taking revenge is because it’s against Christianity.” So I mentioned how there are instances of them doing it and u reply with “irrelevant” when it clearly is..

Yes obviously religion has influenced a lot of stuff in our life, ok I can’t understand the rest of that paragraph. But have u ever thought of vise Versa,That religion was influenced by societal norms outside of religion, I mean it’s kinda confusing but the morals of religion are also based on the ideology we always had, it’s not like religion had just began to pop up and create the things we think, so I’m just obviously talking abt the morals we think in general.

 

[Lelemane]

How is it that someone venting about having a shit ass life turned into a black and a woman arguing about Christianity

I'm sorry for you @Axii btw I just readed. Don't do a massive shooting please

“Black” “woman” u prob wonder why ppl hate u and that’s the reason

 

[choripan]

“Black” “woman” u prob wonder why ppl hate u and that’s the reason

Me when I can't catch a joke
Also who hates me?

 

[Lelemane]

Me when I can't catch a joke
Also who hates me?

I don’t find jokes about race and gender funny at all, unless if it’s like “ 6’6 tall feminist who fights for pads to be free” I guess that’s funny, but I don’t find this joke funny and I think it’s offensive

 

[Dandelions]

I don’t find jokes about race and gender funny at all, unless if it’s like “ 6’6 tall feminist who fights for pads to be free” I guess that’s funny, but I don’t find this joke funny and I think it’s offensive

sybaucharming ultra soft head ahh

 

[Lelemane]

sybaucharming ultra soft head ahh

Found a cuss word and ran with it, how can u comment on someone’s appearance you’ve never seen

 

[Dandelions]

Found a cuss word and ran with it, how can u comment on someone’s appearance you’ve never seen

sybau no one on this forum likes you

 

[Lelemane]

sybau no one on this forum likes you

Yes king continue with that slang and ignore the question

 

[choripan]

I don’t find jokes about race and gender funny at all, unless if it’s like “ 6’6 tall feminist who fights for pads to be free” I guess that’s funny, but I don’t find this joke funny and I think it’s offensive

Shocking: it's still a joke

 

[Lelemane]

Shocking: it's still a joke

News flash…..

Offensive jokes can exist, and you can make jokes that are just plain judgement and aren’t funny at all

 

[choripan]

News flash…..

Offensive jokes can exist, and you can make jokes that are just plain judgement and aren’t funny at all

Imagine getting offended lmao

 

[Lelemane]

Imagine getting offended lmao
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Heh… so sensitive how dare you not laugh at racism, ppl not understand dark humor is so funny lmao let me go type 1929922 slurs on ppls pages on my alts

 

[Axii]

Heh… so sensitive how dare you not laugh at racism, ppl not understand dark humor is so funny lmao let me go type 1929922 slurs on ppls pages on my alts

dawg what

 

[Lelemane]

dawg what

King maybe connect the dots to understand what I’m saying

 

[choripan]

Heh… so sensitive how dare you not laugh at racism

Oh no he said black

ppl not understand dark humor is so funny lmao let me go type 1929922 slurs on ppls pages on my alts

I don't have alts

 

[Lelemane]

Oh no he said black

I don't have alts

If only u knew what a example meant

 

[choripan]

If only u knew what a example meant

Non applicable example to me
Low iq take

 

[Lelemane]

Non applicable example to me
Low iq take

It’s a example to the jokes u said and the people that do that

 

[choripan]

It’s a example to the jokes u said and the people that do that

Lowest of the low

 

[Lelemane]

You’re actually the worst user on this forum, I guarantee you that no one will care if you delete your account. er

Keep on using the n word to prove ur point

 

[Dandelions]

Keep on using the n word to prove ur point

sybau

 

[Lelemane]

sybau

Tf is u talm bout finna mix sm shi up, hoe u coo shi bitches be playin tf I got time fa dat?????