Discussion Death isn’t real

[theRetard]

These are your thoughts maybe but to claim consciousness is immaterial with such certainty and call me ignorant in the same sentence is in itself ignorant

There is no way of knowing but the current most excepted scientific theory is that it is all biological and within us so basically in our brain that’s where it is stored

Based on the fact ppl can completely change if you remove a part of their brain

you are ignorant as fuck, go read some books
saar we can't know if consciousness is immaterial saar
ok so if it is material then can you touch, smell or fuck your own consciousness?

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

1:1 copy is impossible

Highkey what a hypothetical is mostly for

if 2 things aren't different then it's the same thing,

Lowkey the point

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Unless you're me obviously

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f****t that’s how I see everyone react and more so to convince themselves

Psychological that’s why ppl like to use therapy words irl to sound like they know more it convinces themselves as much as they are trying to convince the other

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

This sounds interesting but I don’t understand how you are so sure of all that

Cus not everyone is so stupid that they doubt themselves

It could be true that everything has a sort of consciousness or consciousness itself is shared between the whole universe and individuality is an illusion

Clearly that's propaganda bro

Tho it’s meer speculation the closest answer we have based on evidence is that the pattern of your brain determines consciousness

The closest answer YOU* have

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

f****t that’s how I see everyone react and more so to convince themselves

Psychological that’s why ppl like to use therapy words irl to sound like they know more it convinces themselves as much as they are trying to convince the other

Yeah I'm sure people do that when they aren't me bro.
Your mistake is thinking I'm just not better

 

[BigDihDiddy]

you are ignorant as fuck, go read some books
saar we can't know if consciousness is immaterial saar
ok so if it is material then can you touch, smell or fuck your own consciousness?

By that logic can you touch the interface of your computer? It’s all code happening inside to give u the illusion of an interface you can only touch the LCD screen not the pixels

In theory consciousness works similar ur consciousness would essentially be ur brain neurons, and killing them would kill your consciousness and repeating them would reawaken it

 

[theRetard]

Highkey what a hypothetical is mostly for

Lowkey the point

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then the word copy makes no sense cuz it's not a copy but you prob mean that it's the 100% material component that makes them identical although I also mean space and time, i.e., if two things exist at the same point in space at the same time and are 100% materially identical, then they are not two things, but one and the same

 

[theRetard]

By that logic can you touch the interface of your computer? It’s all code happening inside to give u the illusion of an interface you can only touch the LCD screen not the pixels

In theory consciousness works similar ur consciousness would essentially be ur brain neurons and killing them would kill your consciousness and repeating them would reawaken it

you just don't know fundamentals.
consciousness cannot be observed in biology cuz it's a different category and your analogy with PC is turbo retarded ngl

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

then the word copy makes no sense cuz it's not a copy but you prob mean that it's the 100% material component that makes them identical although I also mean space and time, i.e., if two things exist at the same point in space at the same time and are 100% materially identical, then they are not two things, but one and the same

Muh they don't have to exist at the same point in space nor at the same time
But I guess that's a topic for when you reach my smartness level

 

[theRetard]

Muh they don't have to exist at the same point in space nor at the same time
But I guess that's a topic for when you reach my smartness level

then it's not a 1:1 copy
they are different and thus not 1:1

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

By that logic can you touch the interface of your computer? It’s all code happening inside to give u the illusion of an interface you can only touch the LCD screen not the pixels

This is why analogies are thought out.

 

[BigDihDiddy]

you just don't know fundamentals.
consciousness cannot be observed in biology cuz it's a different category and your analogy with PC is turbo retarded ngl

There is nothing else like it

All we know in science is that the brain controls all ur organs and ur thoughts and actions

We know that once peace’s of it are removed if you manage to survive you will have severe changes in mood and maybe even personality entirely

We do not even know what consciousness is fundamentally it seems to be connected to the brain

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

then it's not a 1:1 copy
they are different and thus not 1:1

Bro don't you realize there is 0 point in us going back and forth like this
Clearly, you're too confident to have your viewpoints shifted and clearly I'm too smart too have mine shifted
But at least we can agree that kage is kinda dumb

 

[theRetard]

There is nothing else like it

All we know in science is that the brain controls all ur organs including ur thoughts

We know that once peace’s of it are removed if you manage to survive you will have severe changes in mood and maybe even personality entirely

We do not even know what consciousness is fundamentally it seems to be connected to the brain

science saaar science
now shit your science is uncapable to do shit in CONSCIOUSNESS conceptually cuz consciousness is literally immaterial
fuck why are you so retarded that you can't comprehend a basic thing

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

We do not even know what consciousness is fundamentally it seems to be connected to the brain

Again bro with this we shit.
Like who the fuck is we bro
Pov: you're too mentally dependant that you have to associate with a bunch of unintelligent "scientists" instead of just associating with yourself

 

[Incognito]

Busted by the fact that finite phase space guarantees near identical state recurrence infinitely often.

 

[BigDihDiddy]

This is why analogies are thought out.

Bro even the choices u think u make are made half a millisecond before u even know u made them

Atp it might not even be real

I just don’t like the way u guys argue as if you know everything about everything

 

[theRetard]

Bro don't you realize there is 0 point in us going back and forth like this
Clearly, you're too confident to have your viewpoints shifted and clearly I'm too smart too have mine shifted
But at least we can agree that kage is kinda dumb

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i have ubermensch tier iq and i've read a lot on philosophy of consciousness and i'd say panpsychism or double-aspect monism are the truth even tho they aren't much different. but @Kage no Kage no Kaiba is way too retarded i need to stop arguing with his bullshit ngl you are correct here

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Again bro with this we shit.
Like who the fuck is we bro
Pov: you're too mentally dependant that you have to associate with a bunch of unintelligent "scientists" instead of just associating with yourself

We as in humans I’m trying to base things off of what has been debated for centuries now not what I personally think sounds deep and more appealing to me personally

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Bro even the choices u think u make are made half a millisecond before u even know u made them

Gng what, like DEADASS BRO?

Atp it might not even be real

Im struggling with the correlation as to why its even relevant with whether or not your thoughts are real bro

I just don’t like the way u guys argue as if you know everything about everything

Because we're not you.
+ We literally don't argue, it's more like just informing inferiors

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

what has been debated for centuries

Low IQ circle jerk taking centuries to reach conclusions I could've made in one night

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Gng what, like DEADASS BRO?

Im struggling with the correlation as to why its even relevant with whether or not your thoughts are real bro


Because we're not you.
+ We literally don't argue, it's more like just informing inferiors

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Yes that was an experiment they did where told ppl to move their fingers and note the time they decided to move them randomly

And they realised the brain makes the decision before the person knows they themselves make it you can look it up

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

My fault for even reviving ts thread bro I was just here to rep gigamia

 

[BigDihDiddy]

My fault for even reviving ts thread bro I was just here to rep gigamia

I mean my point was to just calm n*****s down and say it’s ok to admit nothing is certain but many ppl are thick skulled in their beliefs

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Yes that was an experiment they did where told ppl to move their fingers and note the time they decided to move them randomly

And they realised the brain makes the decision before the person knows they themselves make it you can look it up

I Still don't see why this matters and why this isn't easily explanatory

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

beliefs

Knowledge*

 

[theRetard]

I Still don't see why this matters and why this isn't easily explanatory

muh sir we don't know shit scientifically consciosness is muh neurons

 

[BigDihDiddy]

muh sir we don't know shit scientifically consciosness is muh neurons

Ok n***a u can believe what u personally want but no need to call anyone retarded for saying they are merely unsure of something that can’t be proven

 

[theRetard]

Ok n***a u can believe what u personally want but no need to call anyone retarded for saying they are merely unsure of something that can’t be proven

you don't need to empirically prove something to know something
jfl if it's not obvious

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Yes that was an experiment they did where told ppl to move their fingers and note the time they decided to move them randomly

And they realised the brain makes the decision before the person knows they themselves make it you can look it up

Wait bro lemme try an analogy to see if I fail them as hard as you. Ahem

That's like being surprised that when you try printing hello world with python, the computer processes the code before displaying the result.

Because OBVIOUSLY there are steps to thought bro

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Wait bro lemme try an analogy to see if I fail them as hard as you. Ahem

That's like being surprised that when you try printing hello world with python, the computer processes the code before displaying the result.

Because OBVIOUSLY there are steps to thought bro

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Tbh as far as Ik u believe in the point of this thread that consciousness is finite in the mind and @theRetard believes it’s in your specific atoms from what I understood

I’m just trying to see both points because i myself don’t know it

I think it just might be confusing for ppl to see someone question instead of argue im not particularly smart im just going off what Ik is said to be most likely and that is what @Almighty Sigma Wolf believes in if I’m not mistaken

 

[theRetard]

Tbh as far as Ik u believe in the point of this thread that consciousness is finite in the mind and @theRetard believes it’s in your specific atoms from what I understood

I’m just trying to see both points because i myself don’t know it

I think it just might be confusing for ppl to see someone question instead of argue im not particularly smart im just going off what Ik is said to be most likely and that is what @Almighty Sigma Wolf believes in if I’m not mistaken

it's just everything has consciousness even atoms but lesser then humans obv and human consciousness emerges from a specific organization of atoms neurons etc and the biggest/greatest consciousness is the god

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Tbh as far as Ik u believe in the point of this thread that consciousness is finite in the mind and @theRetard believes it’s in your specific atoms from what I understood

I’m just trying to see both points because i myself don’t know it

I think it just might be confusing for ppl to see someone question instead of argue im not particularly smart im just going off what Ik is said to be most likely and that is what @Almighty Sigma Wolf believes in if I’m not mistaken

Understood nothing about me nor r****d.
It really is hopeless talking to you bro
Forget about it man, some people just aren't cut out for just being better

 

[BigDihDiddy]

it's just everything has consciousness even atoms but lesser then humans obv and human consciousness emerges from a specific organization of atoms neurons etc and the biggest/greatest consciousness is the god

I had heard of this before even that the suns complexity is very similar to that of a human brain thus maybe the sun itself has a consciousness

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Understood nothing about me nor r****d.
It really is hopeless talking to you bro
Forget about it man, some people just aren't cut out for just being better

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I got more of theretard cause he was the one I was replying to u just kinda intruded probably arguing with him then started making fun of me

I was trying to stop the beef

 

[trueceljester]

Wait bro lemme try an analogy to see if I fail them as hard as you. Ahem

That's like being surprised that when you try printing hello world with python, the computer processes the code before displaying the result.

Because OBVIOUSLY there are steps to thought bro

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Hello world("print") frfr

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

I got more of theretard cause he was the one I was replying to

You got nothing btw

u just kinda intruded probably arguing with him

Never argued with each other btw

then started making fun of me

Yeah because it was a hopeless back and forth so I wanted something else to do

I was trying to stop the beef

That never existed

Brootal misunderstandings

 

[theRetard]

I had heard of this before even that the suns complexity is very similar to that of a human brain thus maybe the sun itself has a consciousness

sun has consciousness but very inferior to humans one, it's even worse than animal's

 

[trueceljester]

You got nothing btw

Never argued with each other btw

Yeah because it was a hopeless back and forth so I wanted something else to do

That never existed

Brootal misunderstandings

Bigdihdiddy the 10000000iq terrachad got IQ mogged???

 

[trueceljester]

Bigdihdiddy the 10000000iq terrachad got IQ mogged???

Wait this makes it look like I got IQ mogged,i meant @Kage no Kage no Kaiba

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Bigdihdiddy the 10000000iq terrachad got IQ mogged???

Hes incapable of being 100000000iq since he "absorbs" information or smth

 

[trueceljester]

Hes incapable of being 100000000iq since he "absorbs" information or smth

Do you believe that the universe cannot be fully wiped or not?

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Wait this makes it look like I got IQ mogged,i meant @Kage no Kage no Kaiba

They are speaking of one of the most mysterious topics in human history for centuries and even to this day as if it were as factual as the color of the sky

That to me is the definition of dumb

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Do you believe that the universe cannot be fully wiped or not?

According to physics it will be

We can believe all we want but to claim to be sure Is impossible if u wanna be intellectually honest

 

[trueceljester]

They are speaking of one of the most mysterious topics in human history for centuries and even to this day as if it were as factual as the color of the sky

That to me is the definition of dumb

I dnrd this whole thread so imma jus send a vid of terry Davis

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

The whole idea of consciousness has been blown out of proportions. It's really nothing special. In fact, it's likely just a byproduct of natural brain mechanisms/functions. No soul, no second chances, just darkness.

So yeah, material death is the only death, and it exists.

 

[theRetard]

The whole idea of consciousness has been blown out of proportions. It's really nothing special. In fact, it's likely just a byproduct of natural brain mechanisms/functions. No soul, no second chances, just darkness.

So yeah, material death is the only death, and it exists.

self refuting shit
what allows you to think about this is consciousness/soul

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

self refuting shit
what allows you to think about this is consciousness/soul

What do you define consciousness as? Awareness of one's own existence? We can view a degree of consciousness in lesser developed creatures, like crows or dogs. So we can argue that consciousness is a scale, which could say that it develops over time. Obviously, this is largely opinion-based (believe what you want to believe), but I see consciousness as a byproduct of evolution.

 

[theRetard]

What do you define consciousness as? Awareness of one's own existence? We can view a degree of consciousness in lesser developed creatures, like crows or dogs. So we can argue that consciousness is a scale, which could say that it develops over time. Obviously, this is largely opinion-based (believe what you want to believe), but I see consciousness as a byproduct of evolution.

no you don't need to be aware of yours existence cuz even if you don't know something about concept of existence your consciousness exist anyway
consciousness is just inner self-awareness and inner feeling
and yeah consciousness exists even in non-living things but ofc it's proto-consciousness, not full consciousness and animals do have consciousness too but very inferior to human one.
consciousness is a byproduct of evolution but not only that