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Debates and arguements are typically pointless

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Because everyone is subject to bias. Debates often tie to emotions which you can't be rid of since emotions are prevelant in all humans even in cases of let's say aspd for example although, of course they function differently.

Then we turn our attention to the matter of open mindedness, most people simply aren't willing to change their viewpoint which is likely due to the first point aforementioned and a lack of intelligence, emotional or otherwise. Humans are inherently very selfish beings

It is in less than 1% of instances in which you will genuinely change someone's mind and in my experience these tend to be over more trivial topics which involve far less emotional attachment and real world impact

The only way most people's opinions can be swayed is through experience and this is something I've noticed in most matters. By default you should always try to show and not tell

tldr
Don't bother arguing with people or being bothered by others opinions (bothered as in to think about excessively) yes I am being hypocritical here
 
over0 said:
Because everyone is subject to bias. Debates often tie to emotions which you can't be rid of since emotions are prevelant in all humans even in cases of let's say aspd for example although, of course they function differently.

Then we turn our attention to the matter of open mindedness, most people simply aren't willing to change their viewpoint which is likely due to the first point aforementioned and a lack of intelligence, emotional or otherwise. Humans are inherently very selfish beings

It is in less than 1% of instances in which you will genuinely change someone's mind and in my experience these tend to be over more trivial topics which involve far less emotional attachment and real world impact

The only way most people's opinions can be swayed is through experience and this is something I've noticed in most matters. By default you should always try to show and not tell

tldr
Don't bother arguing with people or being bothered by others opinions (bothered as in to think about excessively) yes I am being hypocritical here
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I disagree, there’s still can be constructive and intelligent debates and confrontations if both users have emotional intelligence
 
over0 said:
Because everyone is subject to bias. Debates often tie to emotions which you can't be rid of since emotions are prevelant in all humans even in cases of let's say aspd for example although, of course they function differently.

Then we turn our attention to the matter of open mindedness, most people simply aren't willing to change their viewpoint which is likely due to the first point aforementioned and a lack of intelligence, emotional or otherwise. Humans are inherently very selfish beings

It is in less than 1% of instances in which you will genuinely change someone's mind and in my experience these tend to be over more trivial topics which involve far less emotional attachment and real world impact

The only way most people's opinions can be swayed is through experience and this is something I've noticed in most matters. By default you should always try to show and not tell

tldr
Don't bother arguing with people or being bothered by others opinions (bothered as in to think about excessively) yes I am being hypocritical here
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Over i have a genius thread of mine and i would love to read ur opinion

How society works theory https://forum.looksmaxxing.com/threads/how-society-works-theory.89458/
 
Blackpillirony said:
I disagree, there’s still can be constructive and intelligent debates and confrontations if both users have emotional intelligence
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Of course that's why I said typically and mentioned intelligence but in your average settings like on here for example it's pointless
 
especially with fucking religion and evolution
just don't bother
neither one will change their beliefs
also, religious people have nothing to lose if what they believe in is true
atheists have everything to lose
just let people have their beliefs
 
over0 said:
Because everyone is subject to bias. Debates often tie to emotions which you can't be rid of since emotions are prevelant in all humans even in cases of let's say aspd for example although, of course they function differently.

Then we turn our attention to the matter of open mindedness, most people simply aren't willing to change their viewpoint which is likely due to the first point aforementioned and a lack of intelligence, emotional or otherwise. Humans are inherently very selfish beings

It is in less than 1% of instances in which you will genuinely change someone's mind and in my experience these tend to be over more trivial topics which involve far less emotional attachment and real world impact

The only way most people's opinions can be swayed is through experience and this is something I've noticed in most matters. By default you should always try to show and not tell

tldr
Don't bother arguing with people or being bothered by others opinions (bothered as in to think about excessively) yes I am being hypocritical here
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I agree
 
over0 said:
Of course that's why I said typically and mentioned intelligence but in your average settings like on here for example it's pointless
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Was talking in general its not all debates that are doomed to fallacies if both actors are High IQ enough
 
"Spilling seed" in the Bible refers to Onan's act of coitus interruptus in Genesis 38:8-10, where he deliberately withdrew to prevent impregnation by his deceased brother's widow, Tamar. His refusal to fulfill the levirate marriage custom, which required him to provide an heir for his dead brother, was considered wicked by God, who put Onan to death for it. The act was sinful because it was a selfish refusal to fulfill a divine obligation and misused his reproductive potential
 
Some people learn from the mistakes of others, some people learn from their own mistakes, and other people struggle to learn (from mistakes)

Not all people learn in the same way

It’s not important to change the other person's opinion “directly” because changes of opinion are subject to time, and a “valid” opinion can reduce the time needed for that opinion to be “accepted”.

Some people, most in fact, need a longer or shorter period of time to eventually implement a different opinion that is considered valid (and is subject to greater or lesser fluctuations).

A good example? Covid.



Masks no -> masks yes -> masks no/maybe/blah blah.
 
Quicksand said:
Some people learn from the mistakes of others, some people learn from their own mistakes, and other people struggle to learn (from mistakes)

Not all people learn in the same way

It’s not important to change the other person's opinion “directly” because changes of opinion are subject to time, and a “valid” opinion can reduce the time needed for that opinion to be “accepted”.

Some people, most in fact, need a longer or shorter period of time to eventually implement a different opinion that is considered valid (and is subject to greater or lesser fluctuations).

A good example? Covid.



Masks no -> masks yes -> masks no/maybe/blah blah.
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simply, if people were resistant to changing their opinions, propaganda would be ineffective, there would be no Incel-style “anti-normie” campaigns, and there would be no idiots (or far fewer) willing to eat raw meat and blah blah blah
 
Quicksand said:
Some people learn from the mistakes of others, some people learn from their own mistakes, and other people struggle to learn (from mistakes)

Not all people learn in the same way

It’s not important to change the other person's opinion “directly” because changes of opinion are subject to time, and a “valid” opinion can reduce the time needed for that opinion to be “accepted”.

Some people, most in fact, need a longer or shorter period of time to eventually implement a different opinion that is considered valid (and is subject to greater or lesser fluctuations).

A good example? Covid.



Masks no -> masks yes -> masks no/maybe/blah blah.
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Maybe we should ask @prettybird what she thinks about ur opinion shall we
 
Blackpillirony said:
I disagree, there’s still can be constructive and intelligent debates and confrontations if both users have emotional intelligence
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are you a redditor?

Emotional intelligence is conceptually tragic. You wouldn't ask a newborn baby to explain what emotional intelligence is, would you?

Ask yourself why emotional intelligence should be a valid concept rather that dispensing platitudes
 
over0 said:
Because everyone is subject to bias. Debates often tie to emotions which you can't be rid of since emotions are prevelant in all humans even in cases of let's say aspd for example although, of course they function differently.

Then we turn our attention to the matter of open mindedness, most people simply aren't willing to change their viewpoint which is likely due to the first point aforementioned and a lack of intelligence, emotional or otherwise. Humans are inherently very selfish beings

It is in less than 1% of instances in which you will genuinely change someone's mind and in my experience these tend to be over more trivial topics which involve far less emotional attachment and real world impact

The only way most people's opinions can be swayed is through experience and this is something I've noticed in most matters. By default you should always try to show and not tell

tldr
Don't bother arguing with people or being bothered by others opinions (bothered as in to think about excessively) yes I am being hypocritical here
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Ye ye true , no one gonna change his point in the end of the day
 
I try to maintain a degree of intellectual honesty, and I do know people who are alike irl. Most definitely possible to have openminded arguments with such people. Suppression of ego is the prerequisite.
 
over0 said:
Because everyone is subject to bias. Debates often tie to emotions which you can't be rid of since emotions are prevelant in all humans even in cases of let's say aspd for example although, of course they function differently.

Then we turn our attention to the matter of open mindedness, most people simply aren't willing to change their viewpoint which is likely due to the first point aforementioned and a lack of intelligence, emotional or otherwise. Humans are inherently very selfish beings

It is in less than 1% of instances in which you will genuinely change someone's mind and in my experience these tend to be over more trivial topics which involve far less emotional attachment and real world impact

The only way most people's opinions can be swayed is through experience and this is something I've noticed in most matters. By default you should always try to show and not tell

tldr
Don't bother arguing with people or being bothered by others opinions (bothered as in to think about excessively) yes I am being hypocritical here
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Also sometimes you get shot in the neck
 
cindythetvisleaking said:
Maybe we should ask @prettybird what she thinks about ur opinion shall we
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what perfect timing I just had my own mess of an argument.

I agree with his point about how opinions take time to shift. It reminds me of times I’ve argued with someone I really like—both of us were so focused on defending our own side that we couldn’t see we were each a little wrong. Only later, after cooling off, did it click that our “opposing” views were really just different pieces of the same bigger picture.

I also completely agree with over0 about how humans are selfish beings. Everyone acts in what their rationalize as their “best self interest” and that can look very different for many people. Some people (like me) rely heavily on emotions instead of logical reasoning because it’s easier to know how to express yourself in a point of high pressure for me than to consistently reason through something. The only way this can be fixed is, again as mentioned through time. Everyone has their “learning curve” but as long as you’re aware of your biases then it’s easier to look at the big picture instead of what your brain tells you is most important in that moment.

However, I wouldn’t say it’s pointless to debate or argue. If I didn’t understand where the other person is coming from that would just reinforce the belief that I’m right and it’s important to be aware of other people’s opinions and world views. What I think is important is different than other people and it really shows when you have the opportunity to “argue” with them. Not necessarily fun, but you can really learn from doing so.

Great thread btw
 
I've thought about this further and I came at this from the perspective that you who I am referring to in the text is correct on whatever point you're arguing on which funnily enough proves my point further since I came from an egotistical point of view

If you come into it with an open mind there is plenty to learn, as I think a few users pointed out
 
over0 said:
I've thought about this further and I came at this from the perspective that you who I am referring to in the text is correct on whatever point you're arguing on which funnily enough proves my point further since I came from an egotistical point of view

If you come into it with an open mind there is plenty to learn, as I think a few users pointed out
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Ye it’s only useless if your arguing with a close minded person
 
over0 said:
I've thought about this further and I came at this from the perspective that you who I am referring to in the text is correct on whatever point you're arguing on which funnily enough proves my point further since I came from an egotistical point of view

If you come into it with an open mind there is plenty to learn, as I think a few users pointed out
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ur point is invalid follow the 12 rules of debating also i dont care and ur stupid rope + thats a logical fallacy bla bla bla not listening
 
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