do you believe in god / religion ?

[Deleted Member 135225]

cuz if he existed hes evil af lol, kids r being killed in wars n r***d but all he does is watching over at the same time god would get angrylhappy depending on what youre doing which doesnt make sense cuz happiness n angriness r all humans traits n god is supposed to be higher than us so thats why i dont believe that god exists.

a world where love, kindness, and moral goodness are possible requires that evil also be possible, because you can't have real choice unless the choice could go either way. If God simply prevented every act of cruelty before it happened, humans wouldn't have free will. So God permits people to choose evil because removing the possibility of evil would mean removing free will entirely and free will is one of the most important things in religion lol.

No offense, but that's a pretty harsh conclusion to land on without digging deeper into religion first. If things were that simple, no one would be religious. i'm not gonna attempt to debunk the second part of your message because it's ridiculous and even an atheist would agree

 

[SevenColorCrystalBall]

if so , why

Yeah, but God seems to have left me because I posted some really blasphemous shit last year

 

[livingheaven08]

a world where love, kindness, and moral goodness are possible requires that evil also be possible, because you can't have real choice unless the choice could go either way. If God simply prevented every act of cruelty before it happened, humans wouldn't have free will. So God permits people to choose evil because removing the possibility of evil would mean removing free will entirely and free will is one of the most important things in religion lol.

No offense, but that's a pretty harsh conclusion to land on without digging deeper into religion first. If things were that simple, no one would be religious. i'm not gonna attempt to debunk the second part of your message because it's ridiculous and even an atheist would agree

why would god put someone in hell for not believing that he exists or doing sins?they were using their "free will" also humans literally appeared 13 billion years later on one planet so if you believe that the universe was made by god for humans to live in then idk what to say cuz if someone had a room temperature IQ they would know that it doesnt make sense.

 

[True_Fakecell]

if so , why

Yeah ofc. Because believing in 1 creator is most rational conclusion

 

[Deleted Member 135225]

why would god put someone in hell for not believing that he exists or doing sins?they were using their "free will" also humans literally appeared 13 billion years later on one planet so if you believe that the universe was made by god for humans to live in then idk what to say cuz if someone had a room temperature IQ they would know that it doesnt make sense.

1. Free will requires that rejecting God be a real option with real consequences. if unbelief or sin carried no consequence at all, choosing to accept God vs. reject him wouldn't actually mean anything. Hell, on this view, isn't so much God actively punishing people out of anger as it is the natural result of permanently separating yourself from God, you get what you choose.

2. humans showing up 13.8 billion years after the universe began, on one planet out of the vastness of it is really an argument about scale, not about whether the universe was "made for us." An infinite, timeless being wouldn't be constrained by human notions of efficiency, you assume God operates on a schedule the way humans do which is a laughable argument. "if you believe that the universe was made by God for humans" Vastness alone doesn't logically rule out purpose, so easily debunkable don't really have anything to say besides that lol.

But sure, you, without even surface-level knowledge, have somehow cracked the code that famous philosophers and theologians couldn't figure out in a thousand years of debating it

JFL at this @shigeharu, this is exactly the kind of person that ruins thelogical discussions, people with such strong opinions with no grounding on the subject

 

[livingheaven08]

1. Free will requires that rejecting God be a real option with real consequences. if unbelief or sin carried no consequence at all, choosing to accept God vs. reject him wouldn't actually mean anything. Hell, on this view, isn't so much God actively punishing people out of anger as it is the natural result of permanently separating yourself from God, you get what you choose.

2. humans showing up 13.8 billion years after the universe began, on one planet out of the vastness of it is really an argument about scale, not about whether the universe was "made for us." An infinite, timeless being wouldn't be constrained by human notions of efficiency, you assume God operates on a schedule the way humans do which is a laughable argument. "if you believe that the universe was made by God for humans" Vastness alone doesn't logically rule out purpose, so easily debunkable don't really have anything to say besides that lol.

But sure, you, without even surface-level knowledge, have somehow cracked the code that famous philosophers and theologians couldn't figure out in a thousand years of debating it

JFL at this @shigeharu, this is exactly the kind of person that ruins thelogical discussions, people with such strong opinions with no grounding on the subject

god almighty knows abt everything before it happens right?so then y would he punish me for not believing in him?zero sense literally.

 

[Deleted Member 135225]

god almighty knows abt everything before it happens right?so then y would he punish me for not believing in him?zero sense literally.

1. Knowing something will happen isn't the same as causing it to happen. If a friend knows you so well she can predict you'll order coffee, her knowing doesn't force your hand, you still freely chose it. God foreseeing your choice doesn't mean God made the choice for you

2. Once again, God isn't a human from our lowly dimension lmao. God is imagined as existing outside time entirely, seeing all moments at once like a person looking down at a timeline laid out on a table. From that vantage point, "foreknowledge" isn't really "before" your choice in any meaningful sense

Stop embarrassing yourself. Either stop talking about it like you know everything or learn about it then come back.

 

[Rololongs]

if so , why

No overtime I just lost faith