Do you believe in phenotypes?

[True_Fakecell]

Do you think they are real and proven or just made up to divide ethnicities

 

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they're pseudoscience and don't exist

 

[ecoli]

Do you think they are real and proven or just made up to divide ethnicities

phenotypes are real but i have some issues with them for me i dont fit in a particular phenotype like a mix of 3

 

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phenotypes are real but i have some issues with them for me i dont fit in a particular phenotype like a mix of 3

they apply to things like hair, eye, and skin color, but don't work for any sorts of shape/sizes of your face (i.e. chin, head shape, etc.)

 

[eternal love]

People's appearance varies from region to region. Yes, phenotypes are real.

 

[eternal love]

they're pseudoscience and don't exist

What do you mean by "science"?

 

[True_Fakecell]

phenotypes are real but i have some issues with them for me i dont fit in a particular phenotype like a mix of 3

Yeah same, I find that different sides of my family align more with different phenos

 

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What do you mean by "science"?

backed by evidence/use of the scientific method

 

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Yeah same, I find that different sides of my family align more with different phenos

mutt

 

[True_Fakecell]

they apply to things like hair, eye, and skin color, but don't work for any sorts of shape/sizes of your face (i.e. chin, head shape, etc.)

hair, eye and skin colour are the NUM 1 thing that can vary from ethnicity to ethnicity, I am north african but I have green eyes, pale skin and dark brown hair but people can clearly tell I am from MENA

 

[eternal love]

backed by evidence/use of the scientific method

There's no scientific method though. If you look closer then "method" differs in certain sciences. But you probably mean empirical evidence, then you can prove it yourself if you travel enough.

 

[True_Fakecell]

mutt

My entire family comes from the same town

 

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hair, eye and skin colour are the NUM 1 thing that can vary from ethnicity to ethnicity, I am north african but I have green eyes, pale skin and dark brown hair but people can clearly tell I am from MENA

disliked my post then gave a first person experience that supports it

 

[True_Fakecell]

disliked my post then gave a first person experience that supports it

bro changing his stance and shi

 

[Currycelloser]

Do you think they are real and proven or just made up to divide ethnicities

proven

 

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bro changing his stance and shi

they apply to things like hair, eye, and skin color,

hair, eye and skin colour are the NUM 1 thing that can vary from ethnicity to ethnicity,

 

[eternal love]

hair, eye and skin colour are the NUM 1 thing that can vary from ethnicity to ethnicity, I am north african but I have green eyes, pale skin and dark brown hair but people can clearly tell I am from MENA

It is because ethnic face morphology differs from white face. You can be blond and blue eyed, but still look ethnic. And you can be tanned, but still look white if you are genetically white.

 

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There's no scientific method though. If you look closer then "method" differs in certain sciences. But you probably mean empirical evidence, then you can prove it yourself if you travel enough.

Does the scientific method just not exist anymore..? Empirical evidence is the foundation of it and the sci. method would be used in this case

 

[True_Fakecell]

@cut i lowk worded that wrong, I meant that hair, eye and skin colour are not good for determining someones ethnicity because they can vary a lot

 

[eternal love]

Does the scientific method just not exist anymore..? Empirical evidence is the foundation of it and the sci. method would be used in this case

Scientific method exists, but it exists as a lie. Empirical evidence is the foundation of it? Then math is not science anymore, because it works through deduction and thus, human reason, rather than experience.
On phenotypes, they do exist, and as I said, you can travel more if you want an empirical evidence.

 

[True_Fakecell]

It is because ethnic face morphology differs from white face. You can be blond and blue eyed, but still look ethnic. And you can be tanned, but still look white if you are genetically white.

Yes exactly this is why people can instantly clock if you are albino black, it was never about skin or eye colour

 

[ecoli]

hair, eye and skin colour are the NUM 1 thing that can vary from ethnicity to ethnicity, I am north african but I have green eyes, pale skin and dark brown hair but people can clearly tell I am from MENA

phenotype≠genotype

 

[eternal love]

Yes exactly this is why people can instantly clock if you are albino black, it was never about skin or eye colour

I mean, skin color matters, but it is 2nd thing in importance (face morphology is 1st). Eye/hair color barely matters, because most whites still have darker colors of everything except the skin.

 

[True_Fakecell]

phenotype≠genotype

isn't genotype between different species

 

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Scientific method exists, but it exists as a lie

Braindead

Then math is not science anymore

Never was and nobody ever said it was

deduction and thus, human reason

All included in the scientific method

you can travel more if you want an empirical evidence.

Personal experience proves nothing

 

[eternal love]

Braindead

Never was and nobody ever said it was

All included in the scientific method

Personal experience proves nothing

Instead of making arguments, just deny everything theory.

 

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Instead of making arguments, just deny everything theory.

You didn't provide a single argument apart from saying that the scientific method exists as a lie

How do you propose we come to conclusions on things then?

 

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proven

Oh cool can I see the proof

 

[Currycelloser]

Oh cool can I see the proof

genetic ancestory is proven, and different phenos existing between different ancestories are due to genes responding to different environment and genetic adaptation, like black people having lower myostatin levels on average, whites having larger skull size

 

[eternal love]

You didn't provide a single argument apart from saying the scientific method exists as a lie

>If you look closer then "method" differs in certain sciences
especially in math, but you deny it is a science JFL.

How do you propose we come to conclusions on things then?

to what conclusions? Some things can be concluded by reason, while others can only be concluded by experience. But reason will structure experience, so reason can work without experience, but experience without reason is meaningless.

 

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>If you look closer then "method" differs in certain sciences
especially in math, but you deny it is a science JFL.

What does the scientific method differing have to do with anything, you obviously aren't going to follow the same steps for using it for chemistry in comparison to something like genealogy (for example). The method is built around logical steps being followed to form a hypothesis, analyze, etc. and then come to a result based on evidence.

to what conclusions? Some things can be concluded by reason, while others can only be concluded by experience. But reason will structure experience, so reason can work without experience, but experience without reason is meaningless.

Okay and how would you conclude something on reason or experience

 

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genetic ancestory is proven, and different phenos existing between different ancestories are due to genes responding to different environment and genetic adaptation, like black people having lower myostatin levels on average, whites having larger skull size

genetic ancestry doesn't prove that trait difference averages are genetic or adaptive (pheno based), traits like skull shape/size are based on your nutrition, health, lifestyle and aren't specific to any group of people/genotypes

Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations - PMC

The proportion of human genetic variation due to differences between populations is modest, and individuals from different populations can be genetically more similar than individuals from the same population. Yet sufficient genetic data can permit ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[eternal love]

What does the scientific method differing have to do with anything, you obviously aren't going to follow the same steps for using it for chemistry in comparison to something like genealogy (for example). The method is built around logical steps being followed to form a hypothesis, analyze, etc. and then come to a result based on evidence.

maybe in pop-science it actually works like that, but in reality it works like that: someone just comes up with some crazy idea, it's rejected, and then after his death it turns out he was right. This happened with Copernicus, Newton, and other scientists.

Okay and how would you conclude something on reason or experience

just use it? Isn't it obvious?

 

[True_Fakecell]

genetic ancestry doesn't prove that trait difference averages are genetic or adaptive (pheno based), traits like skull shape/size are based on your nutrition, health, lifestyle and aren't specific to any group of people/genotypes

Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations - PMC

The proportion of human genetic variation due to differences between populations is modest, and individuals from different populations can be genetically more similar than individuals from the same population. Yet sufficient genetic data can permit ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

n***a used chatgpt to get his link

 

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n***a used chatgpt to get his link

i dont like browsing pubmed

 

[True_Fakecell]

i dont like browsing pubmed

ok saar

 

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ok saar

gpt is high IQ and good for sources

 

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maybe in pop-science it actually works like that, but in reality it works like that: someone just comes up with some crazy idea, it's rejected, and then after his death it turns out he was right. This happened with Copernicus, Newton, and other scientists.

Copernicus, Newton, and other scientists all used the scientific method to come up to their conclusions though, they were both just denied by christians at the time because someone believed that the bible said otherwise

just use it? Isn't it obvious?

No it's not obvious can you explain

 

[True_Fakecell]

gpt is high IQ and good for sources

good for sources maybe, It is high iq I guess but gpt fell off icl

 

[Currycelloser]

genetic ancestry doesn't prove that trait difference averages are genetic or adaptive (pheno based), traits like skull shape/size are based on your nutrition, health, lifestyle and aren't specific to any group of people/genotypes

Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations - PMC

The proportion of human genetic variation due to differences between populations is modest, and individuals from different populations can be genetically more similar than individuals from the same population. Yet sufficient genetic data can permit ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the conclusion given is that there is no proof that people with different races have different dna and are genetically different, people in same races can have more differences genetically, this water lmao.

But the study that u cited said that With enough genetic data, it is still possible to statistically identify an individual’s population of origin. There are more than 100 polymorphisms in genes which can be used to accurately determine an individual's origin

 

[eternal love]

Copernicus, Newton, and other scientists all used the scientific method to come up to their conclusions though, they were both just denied by christians at the time because someone believed that the bible said otherwise

they did not use the "scientific method" because as I told you, this method does not exist even now, let alone 500 years ago.

No it's not obvious can you explain

First you see something specific/concrete, then your mind structures it into a huge picture. Induction and deduction work together.

 

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they did not use the "scientific method" because as I told you, this method does not exist even now, let alone 500 years ago.

Oh

First you see something specific/concrete, then your mind structures it into a huge picture. Induction and deduction work together.

The method you are describing does not exist

 

[eternal love]

the conclusion given is that there is no proof that people with different races have different dna and are genetically different, people in same races can have more differences genetically, this water lmao.

But the study that u cited said that With enough genetic data, it is still possible to statistically identify an individual’s population of origin. There are more than 100 polymorphisms in genes which can be used to accurately determine an individual's origin

genetic ancestry doesn't prove that trait difference averages are genetic or adaptive (pheno based), traits like skull shape/size are based on your nutrition, health, lifestyle and aren't specific to any group of people/genotypes

Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations - PMC

The proportion of human genetic variation due to differences between populations is modest, and individuals from different populations can be genetically more similar than individuals from the same population. Yet sufficient genetic data can permit ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"genetic ancestry" doesn't prove claim that there's no races/phenos. It is opposite, phenos disprove genetics. (at least your view on genetics)

 

[eternal love]

Oh

The method you are describing does not exist

it does? It is how knowledge works. Read some basic epistemology.

 

[Currycelloser]

"genetic ancestry" doesn't prove claim that there's no races/phenos. It is opposite, phenos disprove genetics. (at least your view on genetics)

phenotypes are literally based on genes affected by different environment

 

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But the study that u cited said that With enough genetic data, it is still possible to statistically identify an individual’s population of origin. There are more than 100 polymorphisms in genes which can be used to accurately determine an individual's origin

Yeah but after it mentions there's substansial overlap between populations/members from distinct phenos having overlapping features which is why I originally said phenos only apply to hair, eye, skin colors, etc. rather than sizes and shapes of specific bones but I do agree on things like white people having larger skulls in general and black (and some EU's) having better muscle genes

 

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"genetic ancestry" doesn't prove claim that there's no races/phenos. It is opposite, phenos disprove genetics. (at least your view on genetics)

Race is not the same as phenotype and I didn't claim that races don't exist and that phenos don't exist as a whole
Phenos disproving genetics is an oxymoron

 

[eternal love]

phenotypes are literally based on genes affected by different environment

I'd say there's more aspects than just genetics, people of different races apparently aren't that different genetically, and apes aren't that different genetically from humans either. Apparently, the small difference that does exist is actually critical, or it's not just a matter of genetics. A thought experiment could be conducted: take a person with African-American genetics, but who looks and acts white. If that is possible, then genetics wouldn't be that important. Phenos and races obviosly exist anyway even if they are 100% similar genetically.

 

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it does? It is how knowledge works. Read some basic epistemology.

Epistemology doesn't exist

 

[eternal love]

Race is not the same as phenotype and I didn't claim that races don't exist and that phenos don't exist as a whole
Phenos disproving genetics is an oxymoron

"thats pseudoscience sir phenos don't exist"

Epistemology doesn't exist

explain?