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Discussion Do you believe

Answer

  • More good than bad

    Votes: 9 23.7%

  • More bad than good

    Votes: 20 52.6%

  • Bad and good don't exist (I'm extremely esoteric and not a try hard))

    Votes: 9 23.7%
  • Total voters
    38
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Can anything even be considered good or bad everything changes everywhere
 
Penalizer69 said:
Explain. If you're talking about social morality it's incredibly flawed and all of the philosophy community agrees upon that fact.
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Well first I would like to say I’m so retarted I have no clue what I’m even saying just tryna act wise and smart but my point is that I heard a story that a woman on the dark web wanted to pay people to sa her kid and she wanted to livestream it to idk sum thing to do with pure blood as a child but my overall point is that everyone has different views on everything
 
All humans have inherently selfish drives, however there are certain human groups that are able to control these drives better and that I feel more comfortable around. These human groups and their societies could be labeled as "high trust" on average, and tend to remain that way unless a large number of "low trust" groups with lower self control on average are brought in.
 
I'm trying to escape saturn and some such bro... good and bad dont exist...
 
Unkown tea maker said:
Well first I would like to say I’m so retarted I have no clue what I’m even saying just tryna act wise and smart but my point is that I heard a story that a woman on the dark web wanted to pay people to sa her kid and she wanted to livestream it to idk sum thing to do with pure blood as a child but my overall point is that everyone has different views on everything
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The child was hurt regardless of what the mother thought. They're separate beings, and the child still was violated not only by the men but the mother who had a duty to protect. Look into how abuse effects the brain chemistry and the brain chemistry of people with different disorders
 
Do u receive ??? My echo


My life is a party and my house is da club
 
1894 said:
No I’m saying that if a large group of people in a certain isolated island agreed that it’s ok then it will be ok in this context and their point of view ofc
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Maybe it's my 72 mensa tested iq but I can't understand what you mfs mean at all
 
Penalizer69 said:
Maybe it's my 72 mensa tested iq but I can't understand what you mfs mean at all
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I believe he's trying to say that to answer this question you first have to define good and bad, unless someone is religious they wouldn't believe in objective morality, unless you want to bring up societal consensus as an objective morality, but then he brought up Diddy and Epstein as a counter-point to that.
 
Away said:
I believe he's trying to say that to answer this question you first have to define good and bad, unless someone is religious they wouldn't believe in objective morality, unless you want to bring up societal consensus as an objective morality, but then he brought up Diddy and Epstein as a counter-point to that.
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Societal consensus are only objective as long as everyone who agreed on them is alive and it may differ between different societies so it’s not really objective in the large scale
200 years ago I believe age of consent in the us was 7 yo who would’ve thought back then it will be 18 yo in 200 years
 
Penalizer69 said:
No fucking shot even the aztecs age of consent was like 14
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Society had a lot of progress and regress in different areas of the world. It's quite shocking indeed, idk about America but I know quite a few countries that indeed had shit ages of consent quite recently
 
1894 said:
People make the laws basically that’s what I’m saying and ofc your environmental upbringing is what makes you think what’s wrong is wrong
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i think morals are still biologically grounded by evo-psych, but socially constructed. you can't just make random laws and think they are correct bc people "decide" that they're right, you'll still feel the unfairness, unless you're giga brainwashed.

morals have a large overlap between cultures
 
1894 said:
Objective morality is only from god other than that it’s just agreed on man made laws
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Morality from religion is no morality at all. Self made morality is far more authentic (and yes it is possible)
 
Nenestar said:
i think morals are still biologically grounded by evo-psych, but socially constructed. you can't just make random laws and think they are correct bc people "decide" that they're right, you'll still feel the unfairness, unless you're giga brainwashed.

morals have a large overlap between cultures
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They aren’t random people tried living together because they are biologically social creatures and with time they developed some laws to keep their bond from breaking
 
Penalizer69 said:
It's impossible to genuinely agree with everything your religion says is right and/or wrong
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If you believe in god a superior being that doesn’t make mistakes then you’ll follow everything he says because he’s objectively right and you’re just a human with only subjective views
 
Penalizer69 said:
Humans are more bad than good, or more good than bad?
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Definitely more good than bad
People overreact to bad things that’s it + anything done for the benefits of humans is good doesn’t matter what or how many other animals are endangered or die
 
Penalizer69 said:
Humans are more bad than good, or more good than bad?
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humans are inherently evil


This is true regardless of your religion, (or lack thereof), political system, values, etc

We literally killed a bunch of our close ancestors until they were extinct


Only when human nature is prevented from taking its natural course can we live like civilized people
 
RRM said:
Definitely more good than bad
People overreact to bad things that’s it + anything done for the benefits of humans is good doesn’t matter what or how many other animals are endangered or die
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Tell me you don't understand the enviroument without telling me you don't understand the enviroument
 
RRM said:
Sybau
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No dead fucking serious educate yourself. Every animal plays a crucial role in the earth's ecosystem, guess how many humans play? Guess what, they only harm it.

Without animals we wouldn't exist. Not to mention most mammals, fish, insects, etc. You can name have high intelligence, emotions and even consciousness.
 
Penalizer69 said:
No dead fucking serious educate yourself. Every animal plays a crucial role in the earth's ecosystem, guess how many humans play? Guess what, they only harm it.

Without animals we wouldn't exist. Not to mention most mammals, fish, insects, etc. You can name have high intelligence, emotions and even consciousness.
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Son animals are useless
They would be helpful in a world where intelligence and full consciousness doesn’t exist but it does
 
RRM said:
Son animals are useless
They would be helpful in a world where intelligence and full consciousness doesn’t exist but it does
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Do humans really need other species? https://share.google/eQknet0E8ceAdXa88

Many functions of the human body itself rely on a complex and highly diverse ecosystem of microbial species that live on the skin and in the respiratory, digestive and reproductive systems

Four animals and insects that humans can't live without – CABI Blog https://share.google/yhVLtH2ZT3WFI9WIo

Oh, and the crops wouldn’t grow because there would be no worms to oxygenate the soil.

TLDR we'd only starve, have much less oxygen production, no clothes, or anything actually

Also animals have been shown to have full consciousness, though we can't fully measure their intelligence because of OUR language barriers to them (many animals have learnt English and have more complex language systems than us)
 
Penalizer69 said:
Do humans really need other species? https://share.google/eQknet0E8ceAdXa88

Many functions of the human body itself rely on a complex and highly diverse ecosystem of microbial species that live on the skin and in the respiratory, digestive and reproductive systems

Four animals and insects that humans can't live without – CABI Blog https://share.google/yhVLtH2ZT3WFI9WIo

Oh, and the crops wouldn’t grow because there would be no worms to oxygenate the soil.

TLDR we'd only starve, have much less oxygen production, no clothes, or anything actually

Also animals have been shown to have full consciousness, though we can't fully measure their intelligence because of OUR language barriers to them (many animals have learnt English and have more complex language systems than us)
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Animals are different from microbes
Most animals wouldn't actually matter today humans are intelligent enough to replace what they do with machines and maybe labour work it might be less efficient or it might take lots of fuel but that doesnt mean we need the animals to perform that task
 
RRM said:
Animals are different from microbes
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By definition no
RRM said:
Animals are different from microbes
Most animals wouldn't actually matter today humans are intelligent enough to replace what they do with machines and maybe labour work it might be less efficient or it might take lots of fuel but that doesnt mean we need the animals to perform that task
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We could replace humans with robots too, so they're not that special.

you couldn't do that anyway, were not that advanced yet. You'd have to pump them out at mass before we go extinct or start dying at mass. Not to account for the fact we there are animals we're unaware exist.
 
Penalizer69 said:
By definition no

We could replace humans with robots too, so they're not that special.

you couldn't do that anyway, were not that advanced yet. You'd have to pump them out at mass before we go extinct or start dying at mass. Not to account for the fact we there are animals we're unaware exist.
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Humans are very intellegent and concious we cant just replace them with robots yet or maybe even never
Most animals are useless now we just leave them because replacing them with machines or anything else that would do their job is expensive and takes a lot of fuel that we dont have
 
RRM said:
Humans are very intellegent and concious
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Not unique
RRM said:
Humans are very intellegent and concious we cant just replace them with robots yet or maybe even never
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Why? Because humans would be upset? It's only your emotion that makes you cling to this feeling. Other animals are highly intelligent, conscious and feeling - would we not apply this logic to them?
RRM said:
Most animals are useless now we just leave them because replacing them with machines or anything else that would do their job is expensive and takes a lot of fuel that we dont have
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Why would we kill off all animals? Just needlessly cruel jfl. As I said debunked before anyway. You literally just said we don't have the resources for it too btw, so we do need them
 
Penalizer69 said:
Not unique
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Very actually
If other intelligent species existed there would be evidence we're this advanced for a reason
By consciousness i don't just mean barley aware of their existence i mean intelligent and conscious enough to question things other creatures cant like what's after death etc.
Penalizer69 said:
Why? Because humans would be upset? It's only your emotion that makes you cling to this feeling. Other animals are highly intelligent, conscious and feeling - would we not apply this logic to them?
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Because we dont even know what causes conciousness or intellegence yet
When we do im sure most if not all humans would be replaces or somehow tranfer their consciousness into a machines or something
Penalizer69 said:
Why would we kill off all animals? Just needlessly cruel jfl. As I said debunked before anyway. You literally just said we don't have the resources for it too btw, so we do need them
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We wouldnt
They're just not as important
 
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