Discussion Do you believe

[Penalizer69]

Very actually
If other intelligent species existed there would be evidence we're this advanced for a reason
By consciousness i don't just mean barley aware of their existence i mean intelligent and conscious enough to question things other creatures cant like what's after death etc.

you're also ignoring the fact that like I said before we can't measure other animals intelligence because of OUR limitations.

The only reason humans stand out is because of their anatomy, they can do more with their intelligence

Because we dont even know what causes conciousness or intellegence yet

True

When we do im sure most if not all humans would be replaces or somehow tranfer their consciousness into a machines or something

So we agree humans are replaceable, great.

 

[Splankу]

you're also ignoring the fact that like I said before we can't measure other animals intelligence because of OUR limitations.

The only reason humans stand out is because of their anatomy, they can do more with their intelligence

True

So we agree humans are replaceable, great.

They’re replaceable to a point
If we’re advanced enough to transfer consciousness onto a machine it would still be a “ human “ just not fully
And just because we can’t with 100% certainty know how intelligent an animal is doesn’t mean we can’t tell if it’s intelligent or not you can just observe the animal and see how it acts and reacts to certain thing and get an estimate of how intelligent it is

 

[Penalizer69]

They’re replaceable to a point
If we’re advanced enough to transfer consciousness onto a machine it would still be a “ human “ just not fully

Thesus' ship debate is still a philosophical debate so I there's that. Also humans would still go extinct in this hypothetical, because how would humans continue to produce consciousness?

And just because we can’t with 100% certainty know how intelligent an animal is doesn’t mean we can’t tell if it’s intelligent or not you can just observe the animal and see how it acts and reacts to certain thing and get an estimate of how intelligent it is

Yes and we've estimated alot of them aren't very far off of us with the only separation being language, which we can't and will never be able to assess for reasons stated previously. The equal us in every way apart from Anatomy and language.

 

[Luxe]

Humans are more bad than good, or more good than bad?

Not trying to get too religious again so I will word this carefully

We could be created by a god/ mystical deity so our emotions and philosophical ideas are beautiful or “good” because they are intentional

I understand the human natural aspect of it tho. We lie, cheat, and steal but without those bad things we wouldn’t have good things like mercy, empathy, and grace

 

[eternal love]

Humans are more bad than good, or more good than bad?

most "humans" are ugly, brown, dumb and decadent. ofc they are bad

 

[Penalizer69]

Not trying to get too religious again so I will word this carefully

We could be created by a god/ mystical deity so our emotions and philosophical ideas are beautiful or “good” because they are intentional

I understand the human natural aspect of it tho. We lie, cheat, and steal but without those bad things we wouldn’t have good things like mercy, empathy, and grace

An omnipotent God would be able to create a world in which we could feel the positive emotions without needing to experience the negative. An omnipotent God would allow the positive experiences without the r**e, murder, illness. We don't need the bad to appreciate the good if God is omnipotent (and he is according to all abrahmic religions)

 

[Splankу]

Thesus' ship debate is still a philosophical debate so I there's that. Also humans would still go extinct in this hypothetical, because how would humans continue to produce consciousness?

Yes and we've estimated alot of them aren't very far off of us with the only separation being language, which we can't and will never be able to assess for reasons stated previously. The equal us in every way apart from Anatomy and language.

If you could transfer consciousness into a machine than reproduction wouldn’t be needed since we can just make a simulation where whatever we want happens
And just because animals can’t speak doesn’t mean they don’t have a way of communicating they’re way less intelligent than us humans and are far less creative too it’s not just language

 

[Luxe]

An omnipotent God would be able to create a world in which we could feel the positive emotions without needing to experience the negative. An omnipotent God would allow the positive experiences without the r**e, murder, illness. We don't need the bad to appreciate the good if God is omnipotent (and he is according to all abrahmic religions)

Explain how

 

[Logan O’Hoppe]

more bad than good

*correction: read ur reply wrong at first. My apologies. This is the correct take

 

[Logan O’Hoppe]

An omnipotent God would be able to create a world in which we could feel the positive emotions without needing to experience the negative. An omnipotent God would allow the positive experiences without the r**e, murder, illness. We don't need the bad to appreciate the good if God is omnipotent (and he is according to all abrahmic religions)

A rare good take from u. In fact this may be ur best take I’ve seen yet. Congrats u have my full approval on this one

 

[Penalizer69]

If you could transfer consciousness into a machine than reproduction wouldn’t be needed since we can just make a simulation where whatever we want happens

So going back to religion since you brought it up, wouldn't eternal existence without end be miserable? Wouldn't it be meaningless? We need death to appreciate life.

And just because animals can’t speak doesn’t mean they don’t have a way of communicating they’re way less intelligent than us humans and are far less creative too it’s not just language

They do have ways to communicate, more complex than us in fact, ways to communicate we can't understand. As I said animals have spoken and learnt English before, though to lower levels, it's still far more than humans who can't understand any of any other animals language.

they’re way less intelligent than us humans and are far less creative too it’s not just language

Animals sing, paint, appreciate beauty, use tools. They just don't have thumbs

 

[eternal love]

An omnipotent God would be able to create a world in which we could feel the positive emotions without needing to experience the negative. An omnipotent God would allow the positive experiences without the r**e, murder, illness. We don't need the bad to appreciate the good if God is omnipotent (and he is according to all abrahmic religions)

negative shit motivates you to become stronger and better tho
so nothing bad about that

 

[Penalizer69]

Explain how

Because he created the universe in his image including humans and how they percieve reality + emotion.

 

[Penalizer69]

negative shit motivates you to become stronger and better tho
so nothing bad about that

Not the point

 

[eternal love]

Not the point

there are many gods and they have their own opinion on how reality should be, no such thing as one omnipotent god. thats why he have diverse reality with negatives and positives

 

[Deleted Member 119867]

Humans are more bad than good, or more good than bad?

They are cute,
I agree most people can be evil if given power
but its not like they dont have empathy, they can just be dumb

I don’t think if a human knew how much they are harming someone and thought it through, most wont do it

 

[Penalizer69]

there are many gods and they have their own opinion on how reality should be, no such thing as one omnipotent god. thats why he have diverse reality with negatives and positives

Mf you can only believe in one religion #whatrutalkingabout

Most people believe in abrahmic religions In which God is omnipotent

 

[Penalizer69]

They are cute,
 

Chills

 

[Logan O’Hoppe]

They are cute,
I agree most people can be evil if given power
but its not like they dont have empathy, they can just be dumb

I don’t think if a human knew how much they are harming someone and thought it through, most wont do it

Genius being dumb means u don’t have the ability to have complex layered levels of empathy. There’s a difference between ignorance and sheer stupidity/cognitive retardation

 

[eternal love]

Mf you can only believe in one religion #whatrutalkingabout

Most people believe in abrahmic religions In which God is omnipotent

you can have a religion that includes many gods lmfao.

 

[Splankу]

So going back to religion since you brought it up, wouldn't eternal existence without end be miserable? Wouldn't it be meaningless? We need death to appreciate life.

They do have ways to communicate, more complex than us in fact, ways to communicate we can't understand. As I said animals have spoken and learnt English before, though to lower levels, it's still far more than humans who can't understand any of any other animals language.

Animals sing, paint, appreciate beauty, use tools. They just don't have thumbs

I didn’t bring up religion i don’t believe in god
And if they can communicate and move or preform things that humans can’t than what’s stopping them other than intelligence?

 

[Deleted Member 119867]

Chills

Not in that way, I just think most people are really cute like the way they feel stuff

Genius being dumb means u don’t have the ability to have complex layered levels of empathy. There’s a difference between ignorance and sheer stupidity/cognitive retardation

Yes, most are ignorant then
But I think if they thought about it for some time and knew how much they were harming someone they wont do it probably

 

[Logan O’Hoppe]

Mf you can only believe in one religion #whatrutalkingabout

Most people believe in abrahmic religions In which God is omnipotent

Why do I deserve going to hell for being born in a location that pushes a certain religion and god out of thousands of said religions? What makes that religion the absolute truth relative to other religions? And why would an all loving and omnipotent god not take this into account and also punish me in the ultimate most absolute way for this (something I ultimately have no control over)?

 

[Logan O’Hoppe]

Not in that way, I just think most people are really cute like the way they feel stuff

Yes, most are ignorant then
But I think if they thought about it for some time and knew how much they were harming someone they wont do it probably

Ur wrong fella. Proof of u being wrong? Just take a look at most Muslims outside below 80 IQ countries.

 

[eternal love]

They are cute,
I agree most people can be evil if given power
but its not like they dont have empathy, they can just be dumb

I don’t think if a human knew how much they are harming someone and thought it through, most wont do it

Not in that way, I just think most people are really cute like the way they feel stuff

Yes, most are ignorant then
But I think if they thought about it for some time and knew how much they were harming someone they wont do it probably

lol you can know that you harm someone but you can not give a fuck about it. in a fight you usually dont' give a shit if your hits harm your opponent lol

 

[Penalizer69]

you can have a religion that includes many gods lmfao.

I'm Buddhist... I know.

I didn’t bring up religion i don’t believe in god
And if they can communicate and move or preform things that humans can’t than what’s stopping them other than intelligence?

I've literally said several times you keep lapsing in your logic and moving over points I make. You brought up religion

"I don't wanna get too religious"

 

[eternal love]

I'm Buddhist... I know.

but buddhism has 0 gods
i believe in many gods

 

[Deleted Member 119867]

lol you can know that you harm someone but you can not give a fuck about it. in a fight you usually dont' give a shit if your hits harm your opponent lol

Ur wrong fella. Proof of u being wrong? Just take a look at most Muslims outside below 80 IQ countries.

But they arent thinking of them as equals they think the person deserves it, they arent thinking what the person feels like rn
And muslim countries the shit they do they think its so good

So isnt it just ignorance?
Im speaking from experience if i knew a person feels the same as me, which almost everyone will and I’m actually hurting them then I would avoid it

 

[Penalizer69]

but buddhism has 0 gods
i believe in many gods

What.. there are multiple gods just none of them are omnipotent. You're literally trying to tell a Buddhist about their religion rn

Buddhist cosmology includes "devas" (gods or divine beings), but they are not considered creators, nor are they immortal. They are subject to the same cycle of rebirth (samsara) as humans and are not, in themselves, a refuge from suffering.

 

[Logan O’Hoppe]

But they arent thinking of them as equals they think the person deserves it, they arent thinking what the person feels like rn
And muslim countries the shit they do they think its so good

So isnt it just ignorance?
Im speaking from experience if i knew a person feels the same as me, which almost everyone will and I’m actually hurting them then I would avoid it

Look we can go back and forth on this issue and it wouldn’t really matter. At the end of the day do they pose an existential threat to you and the people you love in meaningful ways either now or down the line. If the answer is even within the realm of a yes or a maybe, then you should know how to believe and subsequently act accordingly

 

[Penalizer69]

But they arent thinking of them as equals they think the person deserves it, they arent thinking what the person feels like rn
And muslim countries the shit they do they think its so good

So isnt it just ignorance?
Im speaking from experience if i knew a person feels the same as me, which almost everyone will and I’m actually hurting them then I would avoid it

Psychopaths exist

 

[eternal love]

But they arent thinking of them as equals they think the person deserves it, they arent thinking what the person feels like rn
And muslim countries the shit they do they think its so good

So isnt it just ignorance?
Im speaking from experience if i knew a person feels the same as me, which almost everyone will and I’m actually hurting them then I would avoid it

if someones is your enemy you'd obviosly like to hurt him

 

[eternal love]

What.. there are multiple gods just none of them are omnipotent. You're literally trying to tell a Buddhist about their religion rn

Buddhist cosmology includes "devas" (gods or divine beings), but they are not considered creators, nor are they immortal. They are subject to the same cycle of rebirth (samsara) as humans and are not, in themselves, a refuge from suffering.

I was talking to a brown boy in discord who's a buddhist and he said that he hates abrahamic religions, and his religion is basically atheistic but with its own metaphysics. I don't believe in omnipotent god either that would be absurd. there are many gods and they are strong but not creators of the world

 

[Deleted Member 114930]

humans are nothing but pawns of another exterior being.

 

[Penalizer69]

humans are nothing but pawns of another exterior being.

talking about me btw

 

[Deleted Member 119867]

Look we can go back and forth on this issue and it wouldn’t really matter. At the end of the day do they pose an existential threat to you and the people you love in meaningful ways either now or down the line. If the answer is even within the realm of a yes or a maybe, then you should know how to believe and subsequently act accordingly

Psychopaths exist

Yeah but most normal people aren’t psychopaths, they likely are just ignorant about the issue

Its pretty rare someone would wanna harm and hurt someone without reason, thats not a normal person so im not talking about them

if someones is your enemy you'd obviosly like to hurt him

Sure but thats different than harming somone without reason, i guess fighting your ‘enemy’ isnt really evil per say

 

[Logan O’Hoppe]

Yeah but most normal people aren’t psychopaths, they likely are just ignorant about the issue

Its pretty rare someone would wanna harm and hurt someone without reason, thats not a normal person so im not talking about them

Sure but thats different than harming somone without reason, i guess fighting your ‘enemy’ isnt really evil per say

Ur ignorant and part of the problem.

 

[jony🖤bp]

Humans are more bad than good, or more good than bad?

Depends

 

[Splankу]

I'm Buddhist... I know.

I've literally said several times you keep lapsing in your logic and moving over points I make. You brought up religion

"I don't wanna get too religious"

Son that wasn’t me but ok

 

[Penalizer69]

Son that wasn’t me but ok

Ahh I'm retarded ye it was someone else mb

 

[vespertine]

eat drink and be merry

 

[Judge Holden]

Humans are more bad than good, or more good than bad?

Evil is our nature my niggita