Discussion Do you think that the idea of there being a god / almighty creator has done more good or harm to the human race?

[RedishH3ro]

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[Canthopexular]

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It has done good

 

[Trevor]

Harm

 

[vamp]

it comes naturally,

i actually belive the opposite, i belive the doubt people have divides more then anything.

in a country where all people share the same religion ofc, religous conflicts are another topic.

i belive there has been more good thanks to a god being there, may it be allah, or may it be whoever

 

[RedishH3ro]

It has done good

I agree with that. People have really improved their lives by following a god. But you cant disregard the wars, torture and pain believe has inflicted on people.

 

[Canthopexular]

I agree with that. People have really improved their lives by following a god. But you cant disregard the wars, torture and pain believe has inflicted on people.

Communism has done worse

 

[RedishH3ro]

it comes naturally,

i actually belive the opposite, i belive the doubt people have divides more then anything.

in a country where all people share the same religion ofc, religous conflicts are another topic.

i belive there has been more good thanks to a god being there, may it be allah, or may it be whoever

If you look at the taliban for example, they are very strict in following the islam. Women can't have an education, can't go out on the street, little girls are being forced into marraige, people get shot if they have another believe. I have some very good friends that follow the islam but i still think it is bad as a whole

 

[xy2m]

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hmm
its done a bit of both

 

[RedishH3ro]

Communism has done worse

Communism has done harm ndeed but that doesnt disregard my point.

 

[XambosAg]

its done a bit of both

 

[xy2m]

what did I do now.

 

[Canthopexular]

Communism has done harm ndeed but that doesnt disregard my point.

I agree it has done harm but on the other hand science wont be science without the early church. So it’s in the grey zone

 

[RedishH3ro]

hmm
its done a bit of both

Do you think the human race would have developed better without gods?

 

[XambosAg]

what did I do now.

Nothing I just have the same opinion

 

[vamp]

If you look at the taliban for example, they are very strict in following the islam. Women can't have an education, can't go out on the street, little girls are being forced into marraige, people get shot if they have another believe. I have some very good friends that follow the islam but i still think it is bad as a whole

hmm

they dont perform what their god says, the excuse themself in the name of god, which is a sin on its own

 

[RedishH3ro]

I agree it has done harm but on the other hand science wont be science without the early church. So it’s in the grey zone

How so?

 

[xy2m]

Do you think the human race would have developed better without gods?

no

 

[xy2m]

Nothing I just have the same opinion

u do a lot of lurking dont you

 

[Canthopexular]

How so?

The church funded most of these scientific studies and Catholics have been a great help to science with different theories and stuff. But now that I think about it, most of science may have still been discovered.

 

[RedishH3ro]

hmm

they dont perform what their god says, the excuse themself in the name of god, which is a sin on its own

The koran, bible, torah etc. Can be read in infinitly different ways. So if people dedicate their life to a god but interpret their holy book in the "wrong" way (wich if you ask me, most people do) it can cause alot of harm

 

[XambosAg]

u do a lot of lurking dont you

Well I was on org but I got perma ban like 2 days ago so I just returned here

 

[vamp]

The koran, bible, torah etc. Can be read in infinitly different ways. So if people dedicate their life to a god but interpret their holy book in the "wrong" way (wich if you ask me, most people do) it can cause alot of harm

ok we agree



but back to the og question, i belive we would have done worse without god, and i belive it has done more good

 

[xy2m]

Well I was on org but I got perma ban like 2 days ago so I just returned here

son that must suck

 

[XambosAg]

son that must suck

It sucks ass

 

[RedishH3ro]

ok we agree



but back to the og question, i belive we would have done worse without god, and i belive it has done more good

But how so?

 

[drchad]

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It hasnt done good or bad

Humans are humans all the bad or good would happen anyways

Probably more good tho cause it helps give people morals to follow

 

[vamp]

But how so?

comfort, and its natural,

no matter how far you look back in history, we have always worshipped something, may it be the sun, the moon, the stars, or the dead.

i belive if we took away the one thing we have praised forever we would do worse in every possible way

 

[RedishH3ro]

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comfort, and its natural,

no matter how far you look back in history, we have always worshipped something, may it be the sun, the moon, the stars, or the dead.

i belive if we took away the one thing we have praised forever we would do worse in every possible way

Thats a good point. To look at it from another perspective i have talked about this with a friend of mine. He said that there will always be people that want to cause harm to others. Doing that trough a god is just a way to cover it up. For example someone being homophobic and christian doesnt neccecerily mean they wouldnt be homophobic if they werent christian. Christianity is just a way to cover it up. Regarding that i still think there have been alot of things that have inflicted harm on the human race that can directly be atributed to the believe that there is a god. But i do think that there is an argument to be made that the idea of god has ultimatly done more good than bad.

 

[vamp]

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Thats a good point. To look at it from another perspective i have talked about this with a friend of mine. He said that there will always be people that want to cause harm to others. Doing that trough a god is just a way to cover it up. For example someone being homophobic and christian doesnt neccecerily mean they wouldnt be homophobic if they werent christian. Christianity is just a way to cover it up. Regarding that i still think there have been alot of things that have inflicted harm on the human race that can directly be atributed to the believe that there is a god. But i do think that there is an argument to be made that the idea of god has ultimatly done more good than bad.

agreed

 

[Penalizer69]

Holy shit harm its not even close

 

[RedishH3ro]

Holy shit harm its not even close

How so?

 

[Penalizer69]

How so?

Religion was made by men who wanted an excuse for all their negative desires (especially in Islam.) Abrahimic religions became a fear tactic to spread their desires and control laws and society overall. Even on the lower levels (as in people who might not directly do bad things) they enable the more negative behaviours religion endorses.

It could be argued that people are weaker due to religion too.

 

[RedishH3ro]

Religion was made by men who wanted an excuse for all their negative desires (especially in Islam.) Abrahimic religions became a fear tactic to spread their desires and control laws and society overall. Even on the lower levels (as in people who might not directly do bad things) they enable the more negative behaviours religion endorses.

It could be argued that people are weaker due to religion too.

But if those desires where rooted in them, (religion or not) wouldn't they always find an excuse to spread those desires? Then you can't blame religion for those desires.

 

[Zillophone]

You think you’re smart but this is a nobrainer high key. If there is a God (there is, surely) the only harm he has done to us is letting ourselves willingly do damage to others. If we wanted to damage us he could torture all of us equally because he’s omnipotent

 

[Penalizer69]

But if those desires where rooted in them, (religion or not) wouldn't they always find an excuse to spread those desires? Then you can't blame religion for those desires.

Only if these men managed to get into power, which unlikely considering how society was run back then. Evilness has always existed, but religion has caused people who would never do and/or accept bad things to do so, therefore religion has spread alot of bad.

 

[RedishH3ro]

You think you’re smart but this is a nobrainer high key. If there is a God (there is, surely) the only harm he has done to us is letting ourselves willingly do damage to others. If we wanted to damage us he could torture all of us equally because he’s omnipotent

My hypothesis it not about if there is a god or not. It's about the idea of god and if that has done more harm than good.

 

[Zillophone]

Nvm I didn’t read the question properly.
It depends on the religion; historically the big religions have killed many to spread their gospel by sword.

The idea of a God isn’t bad itself, but us humans turn it into something bad

 

[RedishH3ro]

Only if these men managed to get into power, which unlikely considering how society was run back then. Evilness has always existed, but religion has caused people who would never do and/or accept bad things to do so, therefore religion has spread alot of bad.

I think religion is just a cover up. I agree with you in some points but don't you think that they surely would've found another way to inflict their harm? I do agree that some people have been convinced to do bad things because of religion but i think those type of situations will always happen. If someone has mastered sophistry they can convince most people to do thing (religion or not)

 

[Penalizer69]

I think religion is just a cover up. I agree with you in some points but don't you think that they surely would've found another way to inflict their harm? I do agree that some people have been convinced to do bad things because of religion but i think those type of situations will always happen. If someone has mastered sophistry they can convince most people to do thing (religion or not)

It would happen, but not on nearly as large of a scale and probably less severe

 

[RedishH3ro]

It would happen, but not on nearly as large of a scale and probably less severe

I would need to think about that for a longer time to come up with a suficient answer.