Serious Does anyone oppose true communism?

[Hector of Troy]

not communism
but a country that's more economically aligned with leftist ideas is better

 

[Hector of Troy]

People who think like that "muh living with nature" are genuinely retarded sorry OP. Most of y'all aren't ready to even live that life. Y'all are pampered in big cities ordering your food from apps, wanting vacations and live comfy, but who is truly ready to live close to nature ? I'm the guy on here who live the closest to nature and it's a lot of work to get autonomy.

Who's willing to grow their own garden to be sufficient ? Dealing with weather and insects and produce enough to be self-sufficient ? Nobody

Who's willing to raise their own animals and then having the courage to kill them to feed themselves ? Who's ready to hunt and track your food at night ? Nobody ?

Who's willing to cut their own firewood from dead trees in the middle of forrest for surving for winter ? Nobody

Our ancestors escaped this hell of a lifestyle to live a more comfy life in cities, and it was for a reason.
I couldn't afford this nature lifestyle if i couldn't found benefits in capatalism by buying modern stuff to make that lifestyle easier

it's fun to do it in the weekend/holidays with family
but as a lifestyle no

 

[polgrev]

They sold the fruit off of our trees
They took the water from our rivers and sold it back to us
They destroyed the only thing given to us by whatever made this place give it god or science

Why would you not want to live a free and earnest life living one with nature and away from slavery?

Debate me if you think otherwise I’d like to learn and hear your opinions

I do

 

[xy2m]

They sold the fruit off of our trees
They took the water from our rivers and sold it back to us
They destroyed the only thing given to us by whatever made this place give it god or science

Why would you not want to live a free and earnest life living one with nature and away from slavery?

Debate me if you think otherwise I’d like to learn and hear your opinions

 

[Aurelius74]

not communism
but a country that's more economically aligned with leftist ideas is better

Neither communism nor Capitalism can survive in vacuum. Both need other countries for sustainability, there's a reason why Soviet Union collapsed and China had shift to state capitalism from socialism.

 

[Byro]

People who think like that "muh living with nature" are genuinely retarded sorry OP. Most of y'all aren't ready to even live that life. Y'all are pampered in big cities ordering your food from apps, wanting vacations and live comfy, but who is truly ready to live close to nature ? I'm the guy on here who live the closest to nature and it's a lot of work to get autonomy.

Who's willing to grow their own garden to be sufficient ? Dealing with weather and insects and produce enough to be self-sufficient ? Nobody

Who's willing to raise their own animals and then having the courage to kill them to feed themselves ? Who's ready to hunt and track your food at night ? Nobody

Who's willing to cut their own firewood from dead trees in the middle of forrest for surving for winter ? Nobody

Our ancestors escaped this hell of a lifestyle to live a more comfy life in cities, and it was for a reason.
I couldn't afford this nature lifestyle if i couldn't found benefits in capitalism by buying modern stuff to make that lifestyle easier

I live in the country side and I am actively willing to live self sufficient as it is much more low stress. If you want to keep selling yourself into slavery that’s fine

 

[Byro]

I do

Why

 

[TonyDr]

I am actively willing to live self sufficient as it is much more low stress

Oh yeah ? Elab on what are you doing then ?

If you want to keep selling yourself into slavery that’s fine

I actually work far less rn so it's a win for me, you still need money to pay your states taxes and the bills, and the food you can't grow G

 

[batluvr158]

They sold the fruit off of our trees
They took the water from our rivers and sold it back to us
They destroyed the only thing given to us by whatever made this place give it god or science

Why would you not want to live a free and earnest life living one with nature and away from slavery?

Debate me if you think otherwise I’d like to learn and hear your opinions

death to the bourgeoisie

 

[Byro]

Oh yeah ? Elab on what are you doing then ?

I actually work far less rn so it's a win for me, you still need money to pay your states taxes and the bills, and the food you can't grow G

I’m a fucking 16 year old I just live in the country

Btw it’s not hard to grow and eat food. Neither is it hard to hunt as poultry, rabbit, deer and fish are plentiful here. + you will need a job or some sort of income + money for land and sovereignty im not delusional

You are actively saying if you are communist live like a communist then. That’s a stupid thing to say because you cannot be communist in a capitalist society that is just not how it works

 

[polgrev]

Why

It never works

 

[Byro]

“Ah yes bite the hand that feeds you whilst actively contributing and having to be forced to contribute to society instead of living without” I wonder how that would go down

 

[Byro]

It never works

Elab

 

[polgrev]

Elab

I have yet to see a country Sustiambly last under communism

 

[Byro]

I have yet to see a country Sustiambly last under communism

Name a country that’s communist that has survived without capitalist scrutiny. I’ll wait

 

[Currycelloser]

They sold the fruit off of our trees
They took the water from our rivers and sold it back to us
They destroyed the only thing given to us by whatever made this place give it god or science

Why would you not want to live a free and earnest life living one with nature and away from slavery?

Debate me if you think otherwise I’d like to learn and hear your opinions

true communism disregards genetic variables like height looks and intelligence, humans are always hierarchial, superior genetic people should require more respect and given more importance than ordinary subhumans

 

[Byro]

true communism disregards genetic variables like height looks and intelligence, humans are always hierarchial, superior genetic people should require more respect and given more importance than ordinary subhumans

Caged I have never met an actual blackpiller befor

 

[Currycelloser]

Caged I have never met an actual blackpiller befor

disprove my arguement bro

 

[Byro]

disprove my arguement bro

Gladly. First off hierarchy collapses quick. People learn about this. If everyone is oppressed by a superior being they learn to take strength in numbers ergo. If you are being oppressed by one really rich man you kill him and no one is oppressed. Also humans don’t submit or wouldn’t submit unless societal expectations depend on it.!

 

[TonyDr]

I’m a fucking 16 year old I just live in the country

Btw it’s not hard to grow and eat food. Neither is it hard to hunt as poultry, rabbit, deer and fish are plentiful here.

It is hard at self-sufficient levels as you have to deal with larger quantities of animals and vegetables/fruits.
You have absolutely zero experience about that life and it shows.

Ofc OP i'm not attacking you personally but overall people thinking like that are delusional, they have no ideas that for a family of 4 you have to produce +1.5 ton of potatoes to survive the whole year without any extrernal sources of carbs, and to keep potatoes seeds for the next year, you need acres of lands to even have some fruits if it's not pulverized by insects and new diseases.

What are you gonna feed your poultry and rabbits with ? Special aliments ? You're aren't self sufficient then.

I'm a son of a small farmer and you wasn't even born when i was working on fields, constating with my farmer that this year we will not eat cherries and strawberries because fly's larvaes decimated the lands and that father didn't wanted to use pesticides.

I'm doing beekeeping on my side and i'm 100% sure that i will not harvest any honey this year because how May weather has been lethal for my 2 beehives, that i have to force artificial swarmings to have a small hope my colony is surviving until next year.

Most pro-communists are just like that on paper, IRL they have no clues how harsh this life can be outside of modern comfort they actively use and unconsciously enjoy

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

They sold the fruit off of our trees
They took the water from our rivers and sold it back to us
They destroyed the only thing given to us by whatever made this place give it god or science

Why would you not want to live a free and earnest life living one with nature and away from slavery?

Debate me if you think otherwise I’d like to learn and hear your opinions

Yes

 

[batluvr158]

They sold the fruit off of our trees
They took the water from our rivers and sold it back to us
They destroyed the only thing given to us by whatever made this place give it god or science

Why would you not want to live a free and earnest life living one with nature and away from slavery?

Debate me if you think otherwise I’d like to learn and hear your opinions

i just started reading the communist manifesto to stop larping @tami_26 thoughts?

 

[arisu]

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[Byro]

It is hard at self-sufficient levels as you have to deal with larger quantities of animals and vegetables/fruits.
You have absolutely zero experience about that life and it shows.

Ofc OP i'm not attacking you personally but overall people thinking like that are delusional, they have no ideas that for a family of 4 you have to produce +1.5 ton of potatoes to survive the whole year without any extrernal sources of carbs, and to keep potatoes seeds for the next year, you need acres of lands to even have some fruits if it's not pulverized by insects and new diseases.

What are you gonna feed your poultry and rabbits with ? Special aliments ? You're aren't self sufficient then.

I'm a son of a small farmer and you wasn't even born when i was working on fields, constating with my farmer that this year we will not eat cherries and strawberries because fly's larvaes decimated the lands and that father didn't wanted to use pesticides.

I'm doing beekeeping on my side and i'm 100% sure that i will not harvest any honey this year because how May weather has been lethal for my 2 beehives, that i have to force artificial swarmings to have a small hope my colony is surviving until next year.

Most pro-communists are just like that on paper, IRL they have no clues how harsh this life can be outside of modern comfort they actively use and unconsciously enjoy

You said hunting not pasture raising. Hunter gatherers survived plenty again if it was a communist society the land is already plentiful enough for every man woman and child in the earth.

Living self sufficient isn’t as bad as you say. I am of course not trying to downplay your claim but quite literally if land is the issue then get more land also self sufficiency is SELF sufficient .
Alongside you trying to use statistical figures by upscaling your argument when that 1.5 ton of potato is just a kilogram per person that’s like one fucking potato. Also the average yield of crop for that is much larger and the biodiversity of one’s garden can also increase your OPTIONS and that isn’t even including hunting or fishing + one animals entire body is weeks worth of food man. One deer can feed you for like a week and I’m talking like a fawn

 

[Byro]

TLDR: that yield of potato is a r****d statistic 1kg of potato isn’t hard to grow and that’s saying if your only food ever is potato over every other bio available food source

 

[limo8]

They sold the fruit off of our trees
They took the water from our rivers and sold it back to us
They destroyed the only thing given to us by whatever made this place give it god or science

Why would you not want to live a free and earnest life living one with nature and away from slavery?

Debate me if you think otherwise I’d like to learn and hear your opinions

i jfled but what you actually think is good way for us to live how do you imagine out modern world to transition how do you think that will go in the future what it has for future generations when there will be no you how you think the world should be in every aspect of it

 

[Byro]

i jfled but what you actually think is good way for us to live how do you imagine out modern world to transition how do you think that will go in the future what it has for future generations when there will be no you how you think the world should be in every aspect of it

I haven’t thought of my ideology as possible as society is already too far gone sounds retarded I know but eventually it will loop back as we nearly kill ourselves I hope

 

[limo8]

I haven’t thought of my ideology as possible as society is already too far gone sounds retarded I know but eventually it will loop back as we nearly kill ourselves I hope

so what the point of you trying to vouch for the idea that in your own opinion will never work

 

[Byro]

so what the point of you trying to vouch for the idea that in your own opinion will never work

I’m not saying it won’t work I’m saying I haven’t thought of it

 

[limo8]

I’m not saying it won’t work I’m saying I haven’t thought of it

so why you arguing about something you are not sure about i mean you did say you are open to learn but if you are so unsure why even say that this idea is worth even mentioning ig it is in terms being example of how not to do but nothing more

 

[Currycelloser]

Gladly. First off hierarchy collapses quick. People learn about this. If everyone is oppressed by a superior being they learn to take strength in numbers ergo. If you are being oppressed by one really rich man you kill him and no one is oppressed. Also humans don’t submit or wouldn’t submit unless societal expectations depend on it.!

false, natural hierarchy exist, we know who is the strongest, most intelligent, better looking lol, hierarchy never collapses, natural hierarchy neverl colapses

 

[Byro]

false, natural hierarchy exist, we know who is the strongest, most intelligent, better looking lol, hierarchy never collapses, natural hierarchy neverl colapses

Any proof

 

[Currycelloser]

Gladly. First off hierarchy collapses quick. People learn about this. If everyone is oppressed by a superior being they learn to take strength in numbers ergo. If you are being oppressed by one really rich man you kill him and no one is oppressed. Also humans don’t submit or wouldn’t submit unless societal expectations depend on it.!

natural selection and we are here now in this world because of that, only superior humans reproduced, people who survived the ice age, some people are stronger, they are meant to be favoured by nature

 

[Byro]

so why you arguing about something you are not sure about i mean you did say you are open to learn but if you are so unsure why even say that this idea is worth even mentioning ig it is in terms being example of how not to do but nothing more

I am saying a transition to a society where people would agree with me or anything is so outlandish and alien and would take centuries of class consciousness to happen. It’s not impossible its not foolish it’s just hard to answer you are asking for me to answer something that takes multiple books to understand and know and for me to tell it to you within a paragraph

 

[Currycelloser]

Any proof

tf? everyone knows when they get into a room, who is taller, stronger, intelligent, thats why we favour and get attracted to people with these qualities, we pre select everything before we even notice, no, all are not equal, some people have inferior genes, do u really want proof for this? do u think i deserve the same as albert einstein did?

 

[Byro]

natural selection and we are here now in this world because of that, only superior humans reproduced, people who survived the ice age, some people are stronger, they are meant to be favoured by nature

That’s just evolution not societal hierarchy or status n***a what are you ok

 

[midori]

yes im a capitalist (albeit not a fan of the current style of capitalism) thru and thru. i am about to eat pizza so i am too lazy to argue and dont want to rn. maybe another time

 

[Currycelloser]

That’s just evolution not societal hierarchy or status n***a what are you ok

if all were equal everyone wld reproduce, social hierarchy drives natural selection, this is supported by evolutionary biology

 

[Byro]

yes im a capitalist (albeit not a fan of the current style of capitalism) thru and thru. i am about to eat pizza so i am too lazy to argue and dont want to rn. maybe another time

It’s not argument I’m completely open minded but you do you

 

[xy2m]

mikema fan and a communist im very confused

 

[limo8]

I am saying a transition to a society where people would agree with me or anything is so outlandish and alien and would take centuries of class consciousness to happen. It’s not impossible its not foolish it’s just hard to answer you are asking for me to answer something that takes multiple books to understand and know and for me to tell it to you within a paragraph

why not im asking because i want an answer dont i maybe if you give me undeniable data i will change my mind and you will gain another mind that will help with your cause

 

[midori]

It’s not argument I’m completely open minded but you do you

i mean im just saying im not tryna have the convo rn lol, maybe another time tho fs was just chiming in due to the thread title

 

[Byro]

mikema fan and a communist im very confused

No I just like his literature. I don’t like him as a person

 

[xy2m]

No I just like his literature. I don’t like him as a person

fair enough brah

 

[JDD8]

I do

 

[Byro]

why not im asking because i want an answer dont i maybe if you give me undeniable data i will change my mind and you will gain another mind that will help with your cause

Look the main way would be socialism which would have to force authoritarian rule which is hard as it’ll condition people. This includes the abolition of landlords, free health care free housing and free education however yes a cost will be needed how does someone have all this stuff for free they work for it which would gradient over time to people becoming self sufficient and working for themselves and for eachother. You were meant to live to build something for yourself not for the government

 

[TonyDr]

You said hunting not pasture raising. Hunter gatherers survived plenty again if it was a communist society the land is already plentiful enough for every man woman and child in the earth.

No lmao there isn't enough wild animals for the whole actual world population
It's possible when the world is at few millions. Rn it's few billions

Living self sufficient isn’t as bad as you say. I am of course not trying to downplay your claim but quite literally if land is the issue then get more land also self sufficiency is SELF sufficient .

Never said it was bad but it needs lot of work and lot of money, money that you can't get by selling the few vegetables of your garden

Alongside you trying to use statistical figures by upscaling your argument when that 1.5 ton of potato is just a kilogram per person that’s like one fucking potato.

Try to grow your own food first and then call me when you're gonna found a 1kg potato. Also you get it, that you need more than 2 tons total to even have enough energy source for the manual work you're gonna do for planting, recolting, eliminate by hand grass who compete with your food and then manually extract foods like potatoes for hours

one animals entire body is weeks worth of food man. One deer can feed you for like a week and I’m talking like a fawn

Nobody who is smart enough is gonna shoot a fawn, it's even illegal if you following your country's biodiversity laws. That's also why men in the past rather started to get pigs instead, i don't think you realise how small a deer is once its's skinned. Actual deers in the UK/France are way smaller compared to USA/canada.

 

[limo8]

Look the main way would be socialism which would have to force authoritarian rule which is hard as it’ll condition people. This includes the abolition of landlords, free health care free housing and free education however yes a cost will be needed how does someone have all this stuff for free they work for it which would gradient over time to people becoming self sufficient and working for themselves and for eachother. You were meant to live to build something for yourself not for the government

yea like i thought pure fiction

 

[Byro]

No lmao there isn't enough wild animals for the whole actual world population
It's possible when the world is at few millions. Rn it's few billions

Never said it was bad but it needs lot of work and lot of money, money that you can't get by selling the few vegetables of your garden


Try to grow your own food first and then call me when you're gonna found a 1kg potato. Also you get it, that you need more than 2 tons total to even have enough energy source for the manual work you're gonna do for planting, recolting, eliminate by hand grass who compete with your food and then manually extract foods like potatoes for hours

Nobody who is smart enough is gonna shoot a fawn, it's even illegal if you following your country's biodiversity laws. That's also why men in the past rather started to get pigs instead, i don't think you realise how small a deer is once its's skinned. Actual deers in the UK/France are way smaller compared to USA/canada.

n***a why are you bringing up law when I’m saying self sufficient there would be no law why bring hypothetical. Along side that a job requires actual work and pay not me selling my fucking vegetables once again you cannot live as a communist in a capitalist society it doesn’t work

Along that note with the amount of landmass that is available you can feed the entire human population. Currently the world cultivates 1.5x the amount of food needed to sustain our population. It’s a figure and a real statistic not fiction

Also many potato’s may not be 1kg but their yield is huge hence why Ireland is one of the top exporters of potato.

Again you single out one of my arguments without mentioning any other figure. Within the UK countryside there is so much biodiversity and also deers are so invasive and high in populous we are introducing lynx and wolfs to the environment what the fuck are you talking about

 

[Byro]

yea like i thought pure fiction

Okay then give me a little bit instead of asking me on the spot to give you a land map of a political ideology that takes grown adults books to write and explain you fucking retarded n***a