Eugenics

[Becky4L]

what do you think about eugenics

 

[Chechensaxon]

It's good, the best culture ever practiced eugenics to a high degree

 

[Nihilus]

It's very good, it's truly ethical

 

[Becky4L]

It's very good, it's truly ethical

based boy

 

[Becky4L]

It's good, the best culture ever practiced eugenics to a high degree

correct opinon

 

[Sovvton]

not a fan no way im gonna let the government breed me like cattle

 

[Chechensaxon]

correct opinon

Why

 

[Chechensaxon]

not a fan no way im gonna let the government breed me like cattle

That's not eugenics

 

[Becky4L]

not a fan no way im gonna let the government breed me like cattle

so you dont think your own race, your own people, should be preserved

 

[Becky4L]

Why

• Improved public health
• Enhance genetic quality
• Reduction in social costs
• Economic benefits

 

[Chechensaxon]

• Enhance genetic quality

That's all that matters

 

[Becky4L]

That's all that matters

i would say that point matters most, not solely matters

 

[Chechensaxon]

i would say that point matters most, not solely matters

All the others derive from that point

 

[Sovvton]

so you dont think your own race, your own people, should be preserved

i dont really care, over time races mix and change, cultures evolve and diverge, populations set off and migrate etc etc, this is how humanity has been up until the past few thousand years (and the past few thousand years have been shit tbh)

besides races will organically be "preserved", the idea that all races will eventually become one is yap

 

[Becky4L]

All the others derive from that point

good take

 

[Becky4L]

besides races will organically be "preserved", the idea that all races will eventually become one is yap

its already occuring.
look at the crime rate and average IQ of south america.
A whole continent of racemixing and the implications of this are evident.
A whole continent a shade of light brown.

 

[Sovvton]

Enhance genetic quality

i dont want this because then me and my genes will lose their advantage

 

[Becky4L]

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i dont want this because then me and my genes will lose their advantage

rist

 

[Chechensaxon]

i dont want this because then me and my genes will lose their advantage

What advantage do you have

 

[Becky4L]

What advantage do you have

hes african
good leg muscles i guess

 

[Chechensaxon]

hes african
good leg muscles i guess

Whites are stronger tho..

 

[Becky4L]

Whites are stronger tho..

darn right

 

[Sovvton]

What advantage do you have

htn, high iq, muscle building genetics, nt

if only i was tall but im only 182cm

 

[Becky4L]

htn, high iq, muscle building genetics, nt

if only i was tall but im only 182cm

what colour is the body with the muscle genetics and height

 

[Chechensaxon]

htn, high iq, muscle building genetics, nt

if only i was tall but im only 182cm

What's your iq

 

[Sovvton]

its already occuring.
look at the crime rate and average IQ of south america.
A whole continent of racemixing and the implications of this are evident.
A whole continent a shade of light brown.

poorer country = worse everything btw this should be water

give any shit country some money and a government that truly wants to make a difference and they will become a top country

 

[Sovvton]

What's your iq

idk i just never have to try academically and still do well, currently at uni and the same thing still applies

how could i check my iq verifiably i feel like online tests are cope

 

[Becky4L]

poorer country

WHY IS THE COUNTRY POOR?

give any shit country some money and a government that truly wants to make a difference and they will become a top country

why should we give them money? White countries never asked south america for money for a failing country/ continent. We don't owe them anything just because they are subhuman. That is equity not equality and this world is not a world of equity

 

[Chechensaxon]

idk i just never have to try academically and still do well, currently at uni and the same thing still applies

how could i check my iq verifiably i feel like online tests are cope

You'd book a test at a clinic

 

[Sovvton]

what colour is the body with the muscle genetics and height

black

 

[AuggyDauggy]

what do you think about eugenics

Honestly we could’ve avoided a lot of bs if we just stuck to our own races, but that’s just me

 

[Chechensaxon]

WHY IS THE COUNTRY POOR?

why should we give them money? White countries never asked south america for money for a failing country/ continent. We don't owe them anything just because they are subhuman. That is equity not equality and this world is not a world of equity

Equality and equatiy are dumb

 

[Chechensaxon]

Honestly we could’ve avoided a lot of bs if we just stuck to our own races, but that’s just me

Thats unironically not eugenics

 

[AuggyDauggy]

Thats unironically not eugenics

I know, it’s just something that came to mind

 

[Sovvton]

WHY IS THE COUNTRY POOR?

because they got cooked then exploited

why should we give them money? White countries never asked south america for money for a failing country/ continent. We don't owe them anything just because they are subhuman. That is equity not equality and this world is not a world of equity

i never said anyone in particular should give them money or that anyone owes them anything, i was saying that if they had access to said money and motivated leaders they would be doing just as well as any other top country

 

[Chechensaxon]

because they got cooked then exploited


i never said anyone in particular should give them money or that anyone owes them anything, i was saying that if they had access to said money and motivated leaders they would be doing just as well as any other top country

How come they were not doing well pre colonisation

 

[Becky4L]

Honestly we could’ve avoided a lot of bs if we just stuck to our own races, but that’s just me

completely agree

 

[Becky4L]

Thats unironically not eugenics

yeah but id still agree with him on that

 

[Becky4L]

i was saying that if they had access to said money and motivated leaders they would be doing just as well as any other top country

What separates whites from having access to money and motivated leaders?

RACE AND COMPITENCE

 

[Randomized Shame]

Some ideas are good on paper but don't have the history to back it up. Eugenics is one of those concepts. Same with communism. We can talk about the ethics of it and how in certain situations certain countries did Y and it benefited them or whatever, but for it to benefit society as a whole the government or local 'agencies' have to get involved throughout the birthing process and has to control a huge portion of the population; and no, I don't like that idea. Anyone who does want that has never had interacted with the government before. Even ignoring the prejudiced history of it, who gets to decide what? Who gets to decide who's a candidate?

I think if parents want to have a genetically modified baby, then it's their choice, but the concept of eugenics is not having choice. It's the opposite of choice.

 

[Becky4L]

Some ideas are good on paper but don't have the history to back it up. Eugenics is one of those concepts. Same with communism. We can talk about the ethics of it and how in certain situations certain countries did Y and it benefited them or whatever, but for it to benefit society as a whole the government or local 'agencies' have to get involved throughout the birthing process and has to control a huge portion of the population; and no, I don't like that idea. Anyone who does want that has never had interacted with the government before. Even ignoring the prejudiced history of it, who gets to decide what? Who gets to decide who's a candidate?

I think if parents want to have a genetically modified baby, then it's their choice, but the concept of eugenics is not having choice. It's the opposite of choice.

i appreciate your intelligible take

 

[Sovvton]

What separates whites from having access to money

bc hundreds of years ago europeans cooked south america and they continue to get cucked/exploited due to corruption that is also encouraged by the west

think about it, colonisers came, drew up some imaginary lines to form territories and then used them for solely exporting whatever goods they had while putting absolutely very little to no money into these countries whatsoever, so when these countries finally gained independence (which was very recently) they had to start everything from scratch, like laws, school systems, building workforces etc etc

and because of this its important to note that every country that you think is shit tier is basically 200 years old, paraguay is the oldest country in south america and it gained independence in 1811, i think liberia is the oldest country in africa and it gained independence in the 1840s, it makes no sense that already exploited countries would be able to reach west level development in 2 lifetimes

and motivated leaders?

its also important that i mentioned school systems in bold, this is because since the education systems are still very new it means the average people of these countries are much less educated compared to the elites, and unfortunately bc of this the elites and people in power use this to take advantage of the people as much as they can. shame.

motivated leaders who genuinely want to help the country grow are very rare, not just in south america but all over the world

RACE AND COMPITENCE

- spelled competence wrong how ironic

anyways even if you dnr'd everything else i wrote you can still easily disprove this thought process by going outside, go to a poor area near where you live and most people will be lower iq regardless of race, go to a rich area and most people will be higher iq regardless of race, good education and nicer areas lead to higher iq's - its just that majority of minorities live in worse areas with worse education, and majority of people in nicer areas with better education are white

 

[Becky4L]

bc hundreds of years ago europeans cooked south america and they continue to get cucked/exploited due to corruption that is also encouraged by the west

England cooked the fuck out of the WHITE country of Ireland and we have one of the richest economies in the world

So disapproved.

think about it, colonisers came, drew up some imaginary lines to form territories and then used them for solely exporting whatever goods they had while putting absolutely very little to no money into these countries whatsoever, so when these countries finally gained independence (which was very recently) they had to start everything from scratch, like laws, school systems, building workforces etc etc

And this is EXACTLY what happened during the famine in Ireland yet again has:

-One of the fastest-growing economies in the EU in recent years
-Low corporate tax rate (12.5%) attracts multinational companies
-Hosts major tech firms like Google, Apple, Facebook, and Microsoft
-Strong exports sector, especially in pharmaceuticals and tech
-High GDP per capita, among the highest in the EU
-Skilled, English-speaking workforce
-Member of the EU and Eurozone, making market access very available
-Strong foreign direct investment inflows
-Modern infrastructure and pro-business policies
-Ranked highly for ease of doing business and innovation

NONE of these points can be said about South America in comparison to Ireland ALONE.

Once again, disproven

and because of this its important to note that every country that you think is shit tier is basically 200 years old, paraguay is the oldest country in south america and it gained independence in 1811, i think liberia is the oldest country in africa and it gained independence in the 1840s, it makes no sense that already exploited countries would be able to reach west level development in 2 lifetimes

I don’t even have to make a point here other than Ireland gained independence in December 1922

DISPROVEN.

its also important that i mentioned school systems in bold, this is because since the education systems are still very new it means the average people of these countries are much less educated compared to the elites, and unfortunately bc of this the elites and people in power use this to take advantage of the people as much as they can. shame.

motivated leaders who genuinely want to help the country grow are very rare, not just in south america but all over the world

This is just reaching now. Ur reaching for sticks like the whole continent is fucking retarded and SO retarded they can’t even educate each other. THAT IS WHY THEIR EDUCATION IS SHIT. Ever heard of blind leading blind. U sound like a kid crying because someone took their ice cream waaaa everyone’s so mean to me Saar I swear I’m smart Saar it’s ur fault a whole continent is in shambles waaaa

spelled competence wrong how ironic

This is literally the only correct point u made in that whole flurry of shite My bad son English is my third language

Anyways get slammed u n****r

 

[Sovvton]

England cooked the fuck out of the WHITE country of Ireland and we have one of the richest economies in the world

So disapproved.

you did not get done as bad as south america holyyyy

And this is EXACTLY what happened during the famine in Ireland yet again has:

-One of the fastest-growing economies in the EU in recent years
-Low corporate tax rate (12.5%) attracts multinational companies
-Hosts major tech firms like Google, Apple, Facebook, and Microsoft
-Strong exports sector, especially in pharmaceuticals and tech
-High GDP per capita, among the highest in the EU
-Skilled, English-speaking workforce
-Member of the EU and Eurozone, making market access very available
-Strong foreign direct investment inflows
-Modern infrastructure and pro-business policies
-Ranked highly for ease of doing business and innovation

NONE of these points can be said about South America in comparison to Ireland ALONE.

Once again, disproven

I don’t even have to make a point here other than Ireland gained independence in December 1922

DISPROVEN.

ireland received help from the british government during the famine, it wasnt sufficient but i think we can both agree its more than whatever south american countries experienced

also the land reforms post famine which the british also had a hand in if im not mistaken, again not saying the british were your guardian angel saving grace, but again im sure its more help than the portuguese or spanish gave to south america

not to mention the already existing irish diaspora that grew with emigration to different countries at the time helping to play a role in the country's recovery during the famine but also helped establish international relations which would come in to play much later on, south americans had no real group of diaspora that were already in other countries, let alone earning much money - and since south american groups that migrated didnt become as integrated/accepted into the societies as much as the irish were (because south americans arent white) there werent really any positive international relations formed

also the (relative) political stability of ireland at the time compared to south americas since you were integrated into the uk, lets not get it twisted people were very divided and catholics were still heavily persecuted by britain - and the british population for that matter, but south american countries were literally used just for their resources and then left to fend for themselves

btw the stuff i made bold are things that heavily helped ireland and are a large part of the reason why its as developed as it is today, if english wasn't spoken in ireland and it was halfway across the globe do you really think it would be where it is now? without the attractiveness of having an english speaking workforce which attracts those brands and companies you were talking about, or the large financial support you received from the eec (which is now the european union), would you guys still be where you are now?

essentially, ireland (while being in a terrible position post famine, dont worry im not downplaying your development) still had a whole leg up over whatever the most well-off south american countries did

This is just reaching now. Ur reaching for sticks like the whole continent is fucking retarded and SO retarded they can’t even educate each other. THAT IS WHY THEIR EDUCATION IS SHIT. Ever heard of blind leading blind.

it was literally the blind leading the blind because south americans were being used mainly for labour to export stuff by portugal and spain, that was the bulk of what their lives were

compare that to when british and french settlers landed in north america and at least put a decent focus on economic development and forming schools, universities etc for a wider population

U sound like a kid crying because someone took their ice cream waaaa everyone’s so mean to me Saar I swear I’m smart Saar

i have no horse in this race, im not from south america, its just that from going outside and living life it should be very obvious that race doesnt impact iq - your class/social situation does

and yes, i think the world would be a better place if people and world leaders, both past and present, had more compassion, humanity and innate desire to uplift the people around them - i dont think thats a controversial take, nor do i think it makes me sound like a crying child

it’s ur fault a whole continent is in shambles waaaa

i think you spend too much time online, i dont blame you specifically for anything just because you have the same skin colour of the people from hundreds of years ago who are mostly to blame

This is literally the only correct point u made in that whole flurry of shite My bad son English is my third language

mirin that you can speak at least three languages, its one more than me

Anyways get slammed u n****r

completely ignores the point of poverty leading to lower iq regardless of race, then calls me hard r

very fogger of you tbf

 

[Sovvton]

@Gouenji

read or join in if you're bored, thoughts?

 

[Becky4L]

you did not get done as bad as south america holyyyy

ill send links for u to do your own research of the complex and precarious history of Ireland





By the way I'm not saying TikTok is a good source of information, the video is of an Irish singer explaining what happened if you want to give it a listen.

And the second video just sort of gives u a small idea about the early 1900's of Ireland.

"English rule for hundreds of years that erased our culture and language almost completely, killed our people, fueled famines, incited violence across the island as a whole, spread a toxic image of our people that resulted in Irish people being discriminated against globally with some places still having a very negative ...21 Mar 2023"

British rule in Ireland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

so before you try educate me on the atrocities committed by the English on my country, take some time to know what you're talking about before speaking.

ireland received help from the british government during the famine, it wasnt sufficient but i think we can both agree its more than whatever south american countries experienced

yeah MISTAKEN would be a fucking understatement pal. We were made a fucking mockery of and still are left with the shreds that remains of Ireland now. I'm lucky enough to be one of the small 30,000 people that speak my native language and we have no other to blame than the English conquerors for that. We were paid off to not teach our children Irish. We were victim to extreme murder and brutality up until just about 30 years ago with the troubles in the north. My own parents had their cars blown up. People in my family died to brits, but im not gonna sit here and huff and puff and throw a strop about it. Crying about how shit your country is because it got conquered by a nation stronger than yours won't do anything.

What went on in South America is not even comparable to what went on in Ireland. End of discussion on that.

not to mention the already existing irish diaspora that grew with emigration to different countries at the time helping to play a role in the country's recovery during the famine but also helped establish international relations which would come in to play much later on, south americans had no real group of diaspora that were already in other countries, let alone earning much money - and since south american groups that migrated didnt become as integrated/accepted into the societies as much as the irish were (because south americans arent white) there werent really any positive international relations formed

"international relations" in question:


The Irish were loathed. But don't worry I seen you said "later on" and here's how said relations did NOT come into play later on:

-Did not partake in either world war.
-During the troubles in the 80's the republic and the north received NO help from any international country
-EU Bailout (2008–2010) Despite EU membership, Ireland had NO leverage to negotiate softer bailout terms.
he international relations Ireland had (within EU or with the US) didn’t protect it from harsh austerity measures and Ireland couldn’t rally broader global financial support or soften EU-imposed terms using international diplomacy.
-Partition of Ireland (1921) No international powers intervened to prevent or influence partition. The Treaty negotiations were bilateral There was NO involvement from the League of Nations. Ireland didn’t seek or receive international arbitration to prevent partition or protect minority rights in the North.
Others you can look into yourself include:
-Lack of NATO membership
-UN membership
-Language and culture Preservation
-Brexit fallout.

And we did NOT "much money" because no one would hire the Irish. As you can see from the images I included, no one wanted anything to do with Irish people. We were down there with blacks in America, and even worse in other countries.

also the (relative) political stability of ireland at the time compared to south americas since you were integrated into the uk, lets not get it twisted people were very divided and catholics were still heavily persecuted by britain - and the british population for that matter, but south american countries were literally used just for their resources and then left to fend for themselves

I find this laughable that you haven't even bothered to look into what REALLY happened during the famine, which is exactly what I have highlighted. You hear all this about potatoes and that's all we eat because that is all we COULD eat. Every last other plant and food source of livestock was taken away from us and exported out for profit by the English.

btw the stuff i made bold are things that heavily helped ireland and are a large part of the reason why its as developed as it is today, if english wasn't spoken in ireland and it was halfway across the globe do you really think it would be where it is now? without the attractiveness of having an english speaking workforce which attracts those brands and companies you were talking about, or the large financial support you received from the eec (which is now the european union), would you guys still be where you are now?

This is a great point you made. Ireland would not be attractive without the English influence on the country. That's why I don't whine about it, I have just very briefly explained it above. So here I don't disagree with you, but there's plenty of non-English speaking countries in Europe that are a lot more well-off than Ireland, without the influence of the English. For example, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Finland, and Denmark.

it was literally the blind leading the blind because south americans were being used mainly for labour to export stuff by portugal and spain, that was the bulk of what their lives were

compare that to when british and french settlers landed in north america and at least put a decent focus on economic development and forming schools, universities etc for a wider population

I have already addressed points similar to this above. As for education here are some things the English did to Ireland's education:

-The Penal Laws (1695–1829) – No Education for Catholics
-Anglicization of Curriculum
-National School System (1831) – Subtle Control
-No Universities for Catholics

Yet we still came out better-off than South Americans.

i have no horse in this race, im not from south america, its just that from going outside and living life it should be very obvious that race doesnt impact iq - your class/social situation does

and yes, i think the world would be a better place if people and world leaders, both past and present, had more compassion, humanity and innate desire to uplift the people around them - i dont think thats a controversial take, nor do i think it makes me sound like a crying child


i think you spend too much time online, i dont blame you specifically for anything just because you have the same skin colour of the people from hundreds of years ago who are mostly to blame

Here's some proof that race DOES actually impact IQ:



Then there was an argument proposed that the latter had lower IQ due to poverty and lack of education.
So there was a study done that was where black children were adopted into white families, given all the education the same as their white "siblings" and yet the blacks still had a lower IQ with being raised in THE EXACT SAME conditions and given the EXACT SAME opportunities.
Here's this study it's actually very interesting, you should give it a read.

Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

mirin that you can speak at least three languages, its one more than me


completely ignores the point of poverty leading to lower iq regardless of race, then calls me hard r

very fogger of you tbf

Cheers lad

Anyway I'm excited for your response this is getting fun

 

[Deleted Member 64900]

@Gouenji

read or join in if you're bored, thoughts?

n***a really tagged me like I’m a Pokémon lmao, I’m not reading ts

 

[Sovvton]

Anyway I'm excited for your response this is getting fun

yeah ggs im arguing against the goku of debating rn, she does this for the love of the game its ovah for me

i'll dnr for now, i woke up early so im already knackered from the day, i'll reply first or second thing in the morning tho

i haven't even read it yet, i want to have a blind reaction either when i wake up or after i go gym

 

[Sovvton]

n***a really tagged me like I’m a Pokémon lmao, I’m not reading ts

i tagged you so we could jump her n***a im trying to avoid getting cooked at all costs

 

[Becky4L]

yeah ggs im arguing against the goku of debating rn, she does this for the love of the game its ovah for me

i'll dnr for now, i woke up early so im already knackered from the day, i'll reply first or second thing in the morning tho

i haven't even read it yet, i want to have a blind reaction either when i wake up or after i go gym

I do look forward to your response my friend