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Info EXTENDING THE GROWTH WINDOW, HOW TO UTILIZE ESTROGEN, AROMATASE INHIBITION, AND NEW PATHWAYS FOR HEIGHT AND BONE DEVELOPMENT

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The Role of Estrogen in Bone Growth and Epiphyseal Closure

Bone growth is regulated by a complex interplay of hormones, with estrogen playing a crucial role:

1. Growth Plate Fusion

Estrogen accelerates epiphyseal (growth plate) closure in both males and females

In males, testosterone is peripherally converted to estrogen via aromatase, which ultimately mediates growth plate closure

Studies on males with aromatase deficiency or estrogen resistance show delayed epiphyseal fusion, leading to continued linear growth into adulthood (e.g., cases of men growing beyond age 25)


2. Bone Maturation vs. Elongation

Estrogen promotes bone mineralization and skeletal maturation

By inhibiting estrogen synthesis, AIs may prolong the growth phase, allowing for additional height gain



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Aromatase Inhibition and Increased Height

1. Mechanism

Delayed Epiphyseal Closure

AIs reduce estrogen levels, slowing growth plate ossification

This prolongs the window for longitudinal bone growth


Increased IGF-1 Activity

Estrogen suppresses growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1)

Lower estrogen → higher GH/IGF-1 → enhanced chondrocyte proliferation in growth plates



2. Clinical Evidence

Studies in Adolescent Males

A 2009 study (Mauras et al., J Clin Endocrinol Metab) found that letrozole + testosterone in adolescent boys delayed bone age advancement, increasing predicted adult height by ~5 cm compared to testosterone alone

Another study (Hero et al., JCEM 2005) showed that anastrozole in boys with short stature increased near-final height by ~6 cm


Case Reports

Males with aromatase deficiency exhibit continued growth into their 20s with unfused growth plates



3. Limitations

Effectiveness Depends on Growth Plate Status

Works best in adolescents with open growth plates

Minimal effect in adults after fusion


Potential Side Effects

Reduced bone mineral density (BMD) due to low estrogen

Increased fracture risk if used long-term




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Aromatase Inhibition and Clavicle Growth

1. Why the Clavicle?

The clavicle is one of the last bones to fuse (early-to-mid 20s)

It grows via intramembranous ossification (unlike long bones, which rely on endochondral ossification)


2. Possible Effects of AIs

Prolonged Growth Period

Since clavicular growth plates remain open longer with estrogen suppression, AIs may allow additional lateral growth


Increased Androgen Exposure

Testosterone (unopposed by estrogen) may enhance osteoblast activity in membranous bones



3. Evidence

Limited Direct Studies

No large-scale trials, but anecdotal reports suggest clavicular widening in late-teens/early 20s males using AIs

Bone scans in AI-treated adolescents show delayed sternoclavicular joint fusion




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Aromatase Inhibition and Jaw (Mandible/Maxilla) Growth

1. Mechanism

Androgen-Mediated Bone Modeling

Testosterone and DHT stimulate osteoblast activity in the mandible and maxilla

Without estrogen-mediated inhibition, androgens may enhance jawbone growth


Growth Plate-Like Effects in Condylar Cartilage

The mandibular condyle has a growth platelike structure that responds to hormonal signals

Estrogen suppression could prolong mandibular growth in adolescents



2. Evidence

Animal Studies

Rats treated with AIs show increased mandibular length due to delayed ossification


Human Case Observations

Males with aromatase deficiency often have more prominent jawlines and broader facial structures

Bodybuilders using AIs (often alongside androgens) report enhanced jaw definition, though this may also be due to muscle hypertrophy and fat loss



3. Limitations

Age-Dependent Effects

Likely only effective during active growth (puberty to early 20s)

Minimal impact in adults with fully fused facial bones

No Controlled Human Trials

Most evidence is indirect or based on androgen-excess conditions




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Potential Applications and Risks

1. Medical Uses

Height Augmentation in Adolescents

For boys with constitutional delay of growth or idiopathic short stature

Often combined with growth hormone therapy


Maxillofacial Development

Theoretical use in orthodontics for underdeveloped jaws (e.g., retrognathia)



2. Risks and Side Effects

Reduced Bone Density

Estrogen is crucial for BMD

Long-term AI use may increase osteoporosis risk

It seems prudent to combine heavy aromatase inhibitor usage with PTH analogs


Metabolic Effects:

Can worsen lipid profiles (increased LDL, decreased HDL)


Neurotoxicity:

Estrogen is important for negating the neurotoxic effects of androgens on the brain

It is important to include neuroprotective compounds, which will be talked about in the upcoming modules




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Practical Application

Exemestane (Aromasin): start with 12.5 mg every other day

Letrozole (Femara): start with 0.5 mg every other day

Anastrozole (Arimidex): start with 0.5 mg every other day


You may titrate up accordingly if you have minimal side effects, but proceed with caution. Crashed estradiol has many harsh symptoms.


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The Optimal Bone Growth Stack

Maximizing Osteogenesis with HDAC Inhibitors, Steroids, PTH etc...

Bone growth and remodeling are complex processes influenced by hormonal, genetic, and nutritional factors. For individuals looking to maximize bone density whether for athletic performance, injury recovery, or combating osteoporosis a carefully designed stack can significantly enhance osteogenesis.
 
Well it's water, hopefully for most people it's water, but yeah. @Mandy? @BlendedBlade🧿




NOW SINCE WE'RE DONE WITH THE SCIENCE... I'll start sharing the most effective compounds and nutrients for bone growth, including HDAC inhibitors (e.g., vorinostat), steroids (e.g., Anavar), PTH analogs, aromatase inhibitors, growth hormone, macronutrient optimization (protein and carbohydrates), and key vitamins/minerals.
 
Good unfortunately I’m 21 so it won’t work for me
 
Okay you are getting motm chill
 
wouldn't you want to focus on cartilage growth over bone growth? outpace the ossification?

from my understanding the "key" would be to delay chondrocytes from entering the hypertrophic phase. keep them proliferating as long as possible.
 
Okay you are getting motm chill
I already have 1-2 threads written + i want to make sure I'm the top 1, the top 2, the top 3 contestants all at once. Me with nobody close. Setting a new standard
 
wouldn't you want to focus on cartilage growth over bone growth? outpace the ossification?

from my understanding the "key" would be to delay chondrocytes from entering the hypertrophic phase. keep them proliferating as long as possible.
tell me more, I'm interested
 
Water thread so no need to thoroughly inspect but not water in a bad way, it’s good that it’s a full guide on Aromatese inhibitors.
 
Water thread so no need to thoroughly inspect but not water in a bad way, it’s good that it’s a full guide on Aromatese inhibitors.
Ye, i thought the same, it's just something i had to put out cuz i wanted to explain everything before dropping a guide finally + some people asked for simpler threads
 
good thread nevertheless
 
tell me more, I'm interested
well a lot of growth factors/other molecules that make chondrocytes proliferate also hasten their life. if the epiphyseal plate matures to fast than it would ossify quicker.

most limb lengthening research is bone centric but the rate limiting step here is cartilage biology. distraction techniques (Ilizarov, chondrodiatasis, etc.) essentially basically force endochondral ossification, and the bottleneck becomes how fast proliferative chondrocytes can expand before flipping into hypertrophy and mineralization. if cartilage expansion can be sustained longer, than when the plate eventually matures their will be more tissue to ossify. more bone. longer bone.
 
essentially basically
well a lot of growth factors/other molecules that make chondrocytes proliferate also hasten their life. if the epiphyseal plate matures to fast than it would ossify quicker.

most limb lengthening research is bone centric but the rate limiting step here is cartilage biology. distraction techniques (Ilizarov, chondrodiatasis, etc.) essentially basically force endochondral ossification, and the bottleneck becomes how fast proliferative chondrocytes can expand before flipping into hypertrophy and mineralization. if cartilage expansion can be sustained longer, than when the plate eventually matures their will be more tissue to ossify. more bone. longer bone.
 
well a lot of growth factors/other molecules that make chondrocytes proliferate also hasten their life. if the epiphyseal plate matures to fast than it would ossify quicker.

most limb lengthening research is bone centric but the rate limiting step here is cartilage biology. distraction techniques (Ilizarov, chondrodiatasis, etc.) essentially basically force endochondral ossification, and the bottleneck becomes how fast proliferative chondrocytes can expand before flipping into hypertrophy and mineralization. if cartilage expansion can be sustained longer, than when the plate eventually matures their will be more tissue to ossify. more bone. longer bone.
I don't know much about cartillage, I'd have to look into it, thanks for sharing this since this is all gonna help me kickstart the search
 
No way, that's lifefuel for alot of people, could u show research or something, that's insane
there many stages of ossification , with the latest one occuring at 28-30
the growth diminshes after each stage tho
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