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Serious Foids, how much muscle is “too much”?

I think this is maximum female appeal and more muscle from here would mean less appeal


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Wonder if females would agree with me on this
 
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Zyzz was smaller than them, I think his body (ignoring his face) might have more female appeal than David and Jeff
Honestly I think females don’t differentiate between their physiques

They just see leanness good insertions and good amount of muscle (and V taper)
 
What’s the ideal muscle level for attraction before it crosses into “ew, scary gymcel”?

It would be really helpful if you can post example pics of an ideal male body for you.
gonna be honest the “gymcel” look is only completed by a sub ltn face. if you look like you take care of yourself (skincare, showering, some semblance of a physique present), even if you’re like bulgy muscly, then you’re basically fine.

also, it is a huge issue whenever it is obvious that you take roids. imbalances physically may not be too much of an issue for some non-picky ltbs (ex. me, i don’t mind the tren twin look), but the lack of emotional regulation and the outright dangerous character that develops from steroid intake is detrimental to any relationships no matter how attractive you could be.
 
Idk I don’t think it matters unless u roided prematurely or are a manlet
 
Frame and insertions pill strikes again

You have to have at least 1.6 but preferably 1.8-2 shoulder to hip ratio with decent insertions
And wide bidelt like 21 inches at least but better off 22-23
 
why the obcession with huge unmaintainable physiques that started having diminishing returns on attractiveness 20lbs ago? u can clown my opinion but it's been established what women like.
Keep coping he frauds his picture he ain’t that huge he’s like 200lbs at 5’10
 
why the obcession with huge unmaintainable physiques that started having diminishing returns on attractiveness 20lbs ago? u can clown my opinion but it's been established what women like.

It’s a hobby of mine, I just enjoy bodybuilding tbh. I’ve participated and won a couple local shows.
 

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