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https://lookstheory.net/threads/message-to-ugly-women.2861/
this was written by @cookie-cel , a former user here (not to be disparaging, but Chad only and not even bad looking)


“I regret wasting my time on incel spaces
If you are an ugly women, remember that no guy is ever gonna like you and even if you somehow get a guy its only because he settled for you
I did all this bullshit for some petty attention from guys.
I regret putting other women down for male attention , it achieves nothign and only made me feel even more pathetic than i already am.
Also if any ugly women every comes across this, remember all men hate you for existing and wishes death upon your exitsence , we only have one another, never ever put down other women.
Also never try to appeal to any man as an ugly women cuz its just useless.
Chad, sub5, normie, all of them are the same, everything a male says is a projection.
Never ever trust a males words.
Only women are your true allies (excluding the girls who beg for male validation).
The only feeling you should have for a male as an ugly women is hatred.
This thread is not for males , i just hope that another women doesn't fo the same mistake as i did.
@AsianBossLT Could your permaban me, I don't wanna be part of anything male centered anymore, its pretty embarrassing as a women.”



Thoughts on her statement? Some of the replies for those who can’t be bothered to click onto the site, just to show some differing opinions;

>If you want to leave, just do it


>Foids will invade male spaces and still play the victim when leaving. The roastie cries out in pain as she strikes you


>please message me on discord bb saar (paraphrased)


>shut up and hop on glutathione. jeets will line up for you even if your face is mid or ugly.

And what did you expect visiting a forum full of inkwell who’ve been treated far worse by women and society? You’re retarded for even wanting attention from them 😂 🫵


@Deranged @neymar @ey88 @GreatMurderDestructionOverlord
This is meant to be unbiased btw, shared the non troll comments and the OP.
 
Is she trying to say that as a woman she regrets joining an incel community because it's male centric? Technically everything she wrote is incel ideology but swapped genders. I kind of read it as an oxymoron but I also can't tell if I'm misunderstanding the post or not.
 
Randomized Shame said:
Is she trying to say that as a woman she regrets joining an incel community because it's male centric? Technically everything she wrote is incel ideology but swapped genders. I kind of read it as an oxymoron but I also can't tell if I'm misunderstanding the post or not.
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Yh basically
 
It's not really well written so that's why I was a bit confused lol.

She essentially wanted to be a 'pick me' for the incels, which is very bizarre and strange. She wasn't welcomed because she went against the main concept of their ideology (and that is being it's not possible for women to be incels) - but she still expected to be an exception. In a way it's sad, to seek solace and community in a group of people who will never accept you as you are or how you perceive your situation to be; in another, it's a very self centric approach to have the desire to be the one who enters a space welcomed where no one else is welcomed. It's an oxymoron in the sense she either knew she'd never be accepted and participated, or thought she would be accepted and participated. In both contexts it displays her misunderstanding the incels ideology as in both cases she has to intrude on a space she's not welcomed to get the either of the desired outcomes.

I feel bad for her in the same way I feel bad for incels in general. It's a lonely, slow path of misery that ends up in isolation. I hope she finds whatever she's looking for because it was obviously not in the incel spaces lol.
 
Randomized Shame said:
It's not really well written so that's why I was a bit confused lol.

She essentially wanted to be a 'pick me' for the incels, which is very bizarre and strange. She wasn't welcomed because she went against the main concept of their ideology (and that is being it's not possible for women to be incels) - but she still expected to be an exception. In a way it's sad, to seek solace and community in a group of people who will never accept you as you are or how you perceive your situation to be; in another, it's a very self centric approach to have the desire to be the one who enters a space welcomed where no one else is welcomed. It's an oxymoron in the sense she either knew she'd never be accepted and participated, or thought she would be accepted and participated. In both contexts it displays her misunderstanding the incels ideology as in both cases she has to intrude on a space she's not welcomed to get the either of the desired outcomes.

I feel bad for her in the same way I feel bad for incels in general. It's a lonely, slow path of misery that ends up in isolation. I hope she finds whatever she's looking for because it was obviously not in the incel spaces lol.
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She also tried ragebaiting and being a contrarian and arguing, and then got mad when adverse mental health effects occured.
 
Whitepill said:
She also tried ragebaiting and being a contrarian and arguing, and then got mad when adverse mental health effects occured.
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What do you mean? Was she arguing with incels about their view on women being incorrect and then getting upset when they were mean to her or are you referring to something else?
 
Randomized Shame said:
It's not really well written so that's why I was a bit confused lol.

She essentially wanted to be a 'pick me' for the incels, which is very bizarre and strange. She wasn't welcomed because she went against the main concept of their ideology (and that is being it's not possible for women to be incels) - but she still expected to be an exception. In a way it's sad, to seek solace and community in a group of people who will never accept you as you are or how you perceive your situation to be; in another, it's a very self centric approach to have the desire to be the one who enters a space welcomed where no one else is welcomed. It's an oxymoron in the sense she either knew she'd never be accepted and participated, or thought she would be accepted and participated. In both contexts it displays her misunderstanding the incels ideology as in both cases she has to intrude on a space she's not welcomed to get the either of the desired outcomes.

I feel bad for her in the same way I feel bad for incels in general. It's a lonely, slow path of misery that ends up in isolation. I hope she finds whatever she's looking for because it was obviously not in the incel spaces lol.
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Essay
 
I do have to say that I agree with her when she said her allies are other women. I do believe there's more of a societal acceptance of men (& other women too, to be honest) degrading and mistreating women. It's an unpopular opinion in a lot of incel-adjacent communities, but it's how I feel. It's more 'normalized' for them to be treated poorly, I suppose. I do think that a majority, if not all, women could enter a relationship if they wanted to, but it does not mean they would be treated well within that relationship.

I feel bad for her because it's clear she's struggling mentally or has intense feelings of isolation. At first I thought the website she was on was male only, but I read the comments and I don't believe it is. It's still a pretty male centric community because, lets be honest, men struggle more with sexual activity.

I'm conflicted on her message but I have a tendency to try and be empathetic towards others even if I don't fully agree.
 
warning; i'm writing this inbetween valorant games. i haven't updated any of the responses because if i had to read every response i would lose my train of thought, and my games!

so, assuming the whole post is centric around incel ideology but female, i have not many comments. i feel anything incel-ish, regardless of gender, is stupid to obsess over and unhealthy. do i get the resentment of both male and female incels? yes. for various reasons.

for men, women are a type of entitlement. not in the generic "i own her and she has to do what i say or else i'm turning her into a battered housewife with stockholm syndrome!" kind of entitlement. while that type does often exist in incel communities, i wouldn't say it's where the main resentment of women comes from. just a symptom of the core issue. incel men are more than often envious or jealous of other men who have experiences that feel crucial to being human. crucial to being happy. hating women feels justifiable because they are a key component of your unhappiness. they are the ones who took it away from you.

this is a generalized mentality that can happen to anybody. it's just a dreading sense of not having control. that it can't be your fault, but somebody else's. that if you were given the same resources or better cards at life, you would also be happy.

in general, it does you no good to obsess over anything with this mentality. you can't be an "incel" without the anger and resentment towards the opposite sex. if you feel like you are an incel but aren't hateful towards entire groups of people, you're lonely and chronically online. which is better but doesn't solve the overall feelings of loneliness. the difference between an incel and a femcel is gender only. trying to say women don't have the same issues regarding generalized mentality is absurd.
 
Goth said:
They don’t.
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so women are evil enough to deny you specifically on an induvial biases but not evil enough to deny entire groups of men? i mean incel forums exist because one guy got rejected? no. it's the mentality and all types of incels suffer with it
 
sup said:
warning; i'm writing this inbetween valorant games. i haven't updated any of the responses because if i had to read every response i would lose my train of thought, and my games!

so, assuming the whole post is centric around incel ideology but female, i have not many comments. i feel anything incel-ish, regardless of gender, is stupid to obsess over and unhealthy. do i get the resentment of both male and female incels? yes. for various reasons.

for men, women are a type of entitlement. not in the generic "i own her and she has to do what i say or else i'm turning her into a battered housewife with stockholm syndrome!" kind of entitlement. while that type does often exist in incel communities, i wouldn't say it's where the main resentment of women comes from. just a symptom of the core issue. incel men are more than often envious or jealous of other men who have experiences that feel crucial to being human. crucial to being happy. hating women feels justifiable because they are a key component of your unhappiness. they are the ones who took it away from you.

this is a generalized mentality that can happen to anybody. it's just a dreading sense of not having control. that it can't be your fault, but somebody else's. that if you were given the same resources or better cards at life, you would also be happy.

in general, it does you no good to obsess over anything with this mentality. you can't be an "incel" without the anger and resentment towards the opposite sex. if you feel like you are an incel but aren't hateful towards entire groups of people, you're lonely and chronically online. which is better but doesn't solve the overall feelings of loneliness. the difference between an incel and a femcel is gender only. trying to say women don't have the same issues regarding generalized mentality is absurd.
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Incel is definitely a mindset more than anything else, but men are definitely statistically way more vulnerable to that type of mindset. You just have to truly believe to the deepest of your core that you're undesirable to everyone. The reality of it is, women barely if ever really ever experience that type of pain. They feel undesirable, they feel unsafe or hate being mistreated, but they don't normally experience the pain of the deepest pit of despair that comes with the mindset that nobody could ever possibly love you.
 
Randomized Shame said:
Incel is definitely a mindset more than anything else, but men are definitely statistically way more vulnerable to that type of mindset. You just have to truly believe to the deepest of your core that you're undesirable to everyone. The reality of it is, women barely if ever really ever experience that type of pain. They feel undesirable, they feel unsafe or hate being mistreated, but they don't normally experience the pain of the deepest pit of despair that comes with the mindset that nobody could ever possibly love you.
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i mean, i argue against that point. men are lonely in the sense they aren't given opportunity, women are lonely in the sense that they can't be loved for anything besides temporary satisfaction of men. they both feel unlovable. when i got men saying i'm a disgusting pig but that at least i give them sex, i don't feel grateful or less lonely. i say they're both lonely regardless of the type of cause. if we get too far into the weeds it's more on an individuals and their personal lives, not the overall ideology.
 
sup said:
so women are evil enough to deny you specifically on an induvial biases but not evil enough to deny entire groups of men? i mean incel forums exist because one guy got rejected? no. it's the mentality and all types of incels suffer with it
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wtf r u even saying
 
sup said:
i mean, i argue against that point. men are lonely in the sense they aren't given opportunity, women are lonely in the sense that they can't be loved for anything besides temporary satisfaction of men. they both feel unlovable. when i got men saying i'm a disgusting pig but that at least i give them sex, i don't feel grateful or less lonely. i say they're both lonely regardless of the type of cause. if we get too far into the weeds it's more on an individuals and their personal lives, not the overall ideology.
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The primary difference is nobody likes to be mistreated or abused. Most of your examples would probably involve men degrading you, and as I said previously I do think it's pretty normalized unfortunately. But the whole concept of inceldom is that it's about how men do not feel like they have the opportunity to be loved. In that sense, they're both lonely, isolated and in pain, but the core concepts of why are different, and there's not going to be many women who experience inceldom as that concept truly.
 
Goth said:
wtf r u even saying
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what are you saying? i responded to the comment that you said women don't experience similar issues. i can't tell if it's you intentionally pretending to not comprehend what i wrote or it's my writing style. i can admit if it's how i phrased things, but i can't clarify if you act stupid about how you respond to it.
 
sup said:
what are you saying? i responded to the comment that you said women don't experience similar issues. i can't tell if it's you intentionally pretending to not comprehend what i wrote or it's my writing style. i can admit if it's how i phrased things, but i can't clarify if you act stupid about how you respond to it.
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Your phrasing in the previous message to them comes off a bit weird. Are you saying that the statement of 'women don't experience the same issue' is invalid because there's evidence of women who say they experience something similar?
 
Randomized Shame said:
The primary difference is nobody likes to be mistreated or abused. Most of your examples would probably involve men degrading you, and as I said previously I do think it's pretty normalized unfortunately. But the whole concept of inceldom is that it's about how men do not feel like they have the opportunity to be loved. In that sense, they're both lonely, isolated and in pain, but the core concepts of why are different, and there's not going to be many women who experience inceldom as that concept truly.
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i feel like the root cause of incel mentality is the fact it's entitlement and crushing loneliness. what's the difference between an incel and being mega depressed and alone? most depressed people don't get resentful or angry at the thought of being denied a universal experience. most times the depression stems from things outside of your control (a relationship ending, a passing of a loved one). i just can't agree that women don't understand to the same length as male incels do
 
Randomized Shame said:
Your phrasing in the previous message to them comes off a bit weird. Are you saying that the statement of 'women don't experience the same issue' is invalid because there's evidence of women who say they experience something similar?
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i think to assume that men experience something women don't is absurd. we can argue that men are more likely to be incels, but that doesn't mean a lot online or in self reported spaces where men are more likely to be honest (because they are allowed into exclusive spaces such as incel forums). i think incels and femcels suffer with the same issues, and the only difference is who to hate and what they feel being on the other side.
 
sup said:
i feel like the root cause of incel mentality is the fact it's entitlement and crushing loneliness. what's the difference between an incel and being mega depressed and alone? most depressed people don't get resentful or angry at the thought of being denied a universal experience. most times the depression stems from things outside of your control (a relationship ending, a passing of a loved one). i just can't agree that women don't understand to the same length as male incels do
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I don't think it's impossible for them to, I just think it's a statistically negligible amount of women who do. I personally think women experience a lot of pain that male incels would truly never understand or only a small amount would understand, because I think societal, environmental, and genetics play a big role in people's experiences and in our culture a lot of things are divided by sex.
 
sup said:
i think to assume that men experience something women don't is absurd. we can argue that men are more likely to be incels, but that doesn't mean a lot online or in self reported spaces where men are more likely to be honest (because they are allowed into exclusive spaces such as incel forums). i think incels and femcels suffer with the same issues, and the only difference is who to hate and what they feel being on the other side.
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That makes a lot of sense. I think to say it's impossible or that they never experience it is absurd, personally. I think incels and femcels deal with a lot of similar and even sometimes identical issues, but I think there's certain aspects where the core identity is experienced differently and that's why there's normally a different category for each experience.
 
Randomized Shame said:
I don't think it's impossible for them to, I just think it's a statistically negligible amount of women who do. I personally think women experience a lot of pain that male incels would truly never understand or only a small amount would understand, because I think societal, environmental, and genetics play a big role in people's experiences and in our culture a lot of things are divided by sex.
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i agree that a lot of factors such as culture, appearance, and your environmental circumstances warp and change how you view and act towards the world. but incels suffer with generalized mentality issues and that's mostly what i'm in reference to. to me, who suffers more in which way doesn't mean much. because they are self inflicted. you choose to be miserable if you choose to dedicate your entire life and personality to hating another group of people when you feel entitled to it. i think discussion of "well men suffer more with this issue and women suffer more with this other issue" doesn't change anything. it just makes the water murky when trying to understand what's at the bottom.
 
Daym, wish choti behan would come back here:bongotap: :sadge:
 
sup said:
i agree that a lot of factors such as culture, appearance, and your environmental circumstances warp and change how you view and act towards the world. but incels suffer with generalized mentality issues and that's mostly what i'm in reference to. to me, who suffers more in which way doesn't mean much. because they are self inflicted. you choose to be miserable if you choose to dedicate your entire life and personality to hating another group of people when you feel entitled to it. i think discussion of "well men suffer more with this issue and women suffer more with this other issue" doesn't change anything. it just makes the water murky when trying to understand what's at the bottom.
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Fair. Lol. I guess the difference is important to note for the original message in the OP - to add context on why there was a discussion to be had in general about her throwaway message to begin with. On a surface level in regards of behavior and whatnot, there is no real difference and the core aspects of the self hatred and resentment remains the same in the two groups. I feel like her message to the forum was a good example of that.

I do think it's interesting though, in concept, the deeper differences and why men might feel strongly about her message even though on the outside nothing she said was too different what another incel would say (besides swapping the gender).
 
Randomized Shame said:
Fair. Lol. I guess the difference is important to note for the original message in the OP - to add context on why there was a discussion to be had in general about her throwaway message to begin with. On a surface level in regards of behavior and whatnot, there is no real difference and the core aspects of the self hatred and resentment remains the same in the two groups. I feel like her message to the forum was a good example of that.

I do think it's interesting though, in concept, the deeper differences and why men might feel strongly about her message even though on the outside nothing she said was too different what another incel would say (besides swapping the gender).
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can't be mad at the evil enemy if the enemy is on your side
 
So most ugly women are underestimating us incels?
Holy gorlock and wooden stick
 
rand anon said:
That isn’t necessarily true, their anger and resentment just manifest in different ways
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yes, but i wouldn't say the core cause of their depression is because of resentment and/or anger. anger and resentment is often the symptom of depression. to be an incel vs somebody who's depressed and lashing out, the roles need to be reversed.

edit: i still agree with your overall sentiment though, thank you for contributing. @Randomized Shame is gonna make me crash out! (with peace, love, and respect of course)
 
Randomized Shame said:
It's not really well written so that's why I was a bit confused lol.

She essentially wanted to be a 'pick me' for the incels, which is very bizarre and strange. She wasn't welcomed because she went against the main concept of their ideology (and that is being it's not possible for women to be incels) - but she still expected to be an exception. In a way it's sad, to seek solace and community in a group of people who will never accept you as you are or how you perceive your situation to be; in another, it's a very self centric approach to have the desire to be the one who enters a space welcomed where no one else is welcomed. It's an oxymoron in the sense she either knew she'd never be accepted and participated, or thought she would be accepted and participated. In both contexts it displays her misunderstanding the incels ideology as in both cases she has to intrude on a space she's not welcomed to get the either of the desired outcomes.

I feel bad for her in the same way I feel bad for incels in general. It's a lonely, slow path of misery that ends up in isolation. I hope she finds whatever she's looking for because it was obviously not in the incel spaces lol.
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What the fuck did she think would happen, honestly its really sad to see other people get so addicted to attention that they'll go as far as to pander to and ragebait notoriously dangerous people who despise them just to get a crumb of it
 
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