Discussion Formulating a new theory

[Wilk]

Do I know you ?

Highly unlikely to be the case

 

[Wilk]

@Chudlite

 

[Wilk]

@Scenehikikomori

 

[Randomized Shame]

I've read this post a few times and to be honest I didn't find it that interesting or groundbreaking. It's possible I simply don't understand what is being attempted to be conveyed. Am I correct in assuming that it mainly boils down to "Our ego is our self identity, but society's constant negativity kills the ego and in turn kills our self idenity"? Or am I incorrect in that assumption?

 

[Wilk]

I've read this post a few times and to be honest I didn't find it that interesting or groundbreaking. It's possible I simply don't understand what is being attempted to be conveyed. Am I correct in assuming that it mainly boils down to "Our ego is our self identity, but society's constant negativity kills the ego and in turn kills our self idenity"? Or am I incorrect in that assumption?

You are incorrect in that assumption. While what you highlighted is true, it ignores the important connections that this have with the looksmax community and understanding the psychological traits of BPD, narcissism, someforms of antisocial disorders, body dysmorphia, and delusions. Hence why this thread is so important: it is highlighting the core mechanism in which important and traumatic events of people lifes happen while offering a remedy to it.

 

[Randomized Shame]

You are incorrect in that assumption. While what you highlighted is true, it ignores the important connections that this have with the looksmax community and understanding the psychological traits of BPD, narcissism, someforms of antisocial disorders, body dysmorphia, and delusions. Hence why this thread is so important: it is highlighting the core mechanism in which important and traumatic events of people lifes happen while offering a remedy to it.

I'm not sure if I see the connection. I wouldn't say that BPD/narcissism/ASPD/BDD or delusions are caused by ego death or the desire to remedy introjections. If "introjections" is just internalizing external commentary, then there is nothing inherently wrong with introjections, even though I know you disagree with that in your original post.

The issue, in theory, lies when introjections causes ego death. If ego death occurs, then the desire is to have it 'fixed' or 'repaired' is by taking the introjections as fact and doing as what the introjections say rather than what would make you happy. I sorta kinda get that part of it.

This seems like a new way of simply explaining the concept of trauma. In the case of the fat girl being called fat most of her life, that's traumatic to who you are as a person. That effects your self identify, because externally that's what other people boiled her complicated personality down to - Just being "fat". I can see why this would be called 'ego death'.

I don't, however, see how a woman refusing to be with someone she deemed as 'low value' inherently the result of ego death. You could make the argument she only feels that way due to societal norms, but then that boils down to everyone's personality is simply a reflection of societal introjections and no one has an original thought. I just don't understand how that's the conclusion you'd come to in that situation. Society has influence, sure, but full control of every human it interacts with?

Which is what you sorta say in the post, but I don't understand why you think that is the main way humans pick identity. For this argument to work, you have to boil every single human interaction down to as the cause of "societal dictated identity". She picked her boyfriend because society made her personal values align with certain traits, not because of overall genetics and environment she was raised in. She only cares about her weight because her societal identity told her to, not because she personally has mental illness. The boy's trauma is only caused by the mother's personal identity in relation to society, not because she's mentally unstable.

It seems like 'society' is an umbrella term for every human interaction that happens between two or more humans. And I don't agree with that view of things, it skews what human interaction actually entails.

The point, to me, boils down to trauma = bad behavior. In the case of disorders like BPD/ASPD, they're a mixture of genetics and trauma. BDD is a lack of self identity and delusions are normally caused by chemical reactions misfiring in the brain (Not always, of course). Delusions are a symptom of mania, but I would not say that mania is caused by ego death. I would say it's a chemical imbalance.

I don't see how everyone's identity is dictated by society, and if it is why that would lead to ego death in most cases.

Edit: I misspoke in one section about the eating disorder part. I fixed it.

 

[Wilk]

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I don't, however, see how a woman refusing to be with someone she deemed as 'low value' inherently the result of ego death.
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@Randomized Shame

Oh, it isn't inherently the result of ego death. It's reversed..., the death of ego produces some cases where the person don't choose to date someone of low social value in order to improve their identity because they project their partner identity on the formation of their own

 

[Wilk]

"but then that boils down to everyone's personality is simply a reflection of societal introjections and no one has an original thought. I just don't understand how that's the conclusion you'd come to in that situation. Society has influence, sure, but full control of every human it interacts with?"

@Randomized Shame

No. The mere existence of some introjection don't produce narcissism. It can, indeed, produce delusions and dysmorphias. The narcissism (and other disorders) are a product of the ego being replaced entirely by the introjections AND THE IDEOLOGY of those introjections in a game based on their values.

People's identity aren't formed exclusively by introjections. The ego, that is a healthy function, produces their true self, autonomous from introjections.

 

[Wilk]

This seems like a new way of simply explaining the concept of trauma. In the case of the fat girl being called fat most of her life, that's traumatic to who you are as a person. That effects your self identify, because externally that's what other people boiled her complicated personality down to - Just being "fat". I can see why this would be called 'ego death'.



Edit: I misspoke in one section about the eating disorder part. I fixed it.

No, trauma is a much more complex phenomenon that can go much further then our current ego subject

 

[Wilk]

. Society has influence, sure, but full control of every human it interacts with?

Which is what you sorta say in the post, but I don't understand why you think that is the main way humans pick identity. For this argument to work, you have to boil every single human interaction down to as the cause of "societal dictated identity".
It seems like 'society' is an umbrella term for every human interaction that happens between two or more humans.



Edit: I misspoke in one section about the eating disorder part. I fixed it.

No, society don't necessarily have full control of someone identity, but in some cases it does.
Yes, here society is being used as something like any social interaction between the individual and the outside social world

 

[Wilk]

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I don't see how everyone's identity is dictated by society, and if it is why that would lead to ego death in most cases.

Edit: I misspoke in one section about the eating disorder part. I fixed it.

You are absolutely correct. Traumatic events are not determined by the event itself, but from the previous psychological state of the person and their biological state. It so happens, however, that a great number of people can develop multiple problems derived from the dynamic previously explained in the original post

 

[Wilk]

@Randomized Shame it was very good talking to you, made possible to clarify the concepts, thank you

 

[Deleted Member 60441]

Nothing new, I would have more to add but I don't know if this is the right place and I don't feel like doing so. If I feel like doing so I will write how neurotypicals use their masks, how a psychopath uses masks and how an empath would use them, plus things related to heavy working memory

 

[nun]

actually insufferable with the amount of times you've spammed this post in unrelated threads. whatever useful advice/public discussion it might of had is immediately gone due to your annoying ass behavior over it

 

[Deleted Member 60441]

Another thing, this is not a theory

 

[Wilk]

Nothing new, I would have more to add but I don't know if this is the right place and I don't feel like doing so. If I feel like doing so I will write how neurotypicals use their masks, how a psychopath uses masks and how an empath would use them, plus things related to heavy working memory

Please, do a thread on that and mark me on it!

 

[Wilk]

actually insufferable with the amount of times you've spammed this post in unrelated threads. whatever useful advice/public discussion it might of had is immediately gone due to your annoying ass behavior over it

Nope, the content remains the same regardless of that

 

[Wilk]

Another thing, this is not a theory

What should that be called?

 

[nun]

Nope, the content remains the same regardless of that

my point is it's a useless thread because if you're annoying about presenting it in this way people won't read or take you seriously even if whatever you wrote might have weight to it. i think it would've truly been an interesting discussion but why would anybody wanna talk to you about it if you're begging and spamming it in threads that are UNRELATED? i'm sure the comments on here are thriving because of ur intelligent take and not the fact u r begging and spamming it everywhere!

 

[Wilk]

my point is it's a useless thread because if you're annoying about presenting it in this way people won't read or take you seriously even if whatever you wrote might have weight to it. i think it would've truly been an interesting discussion but why would anybody wanna talk to you about it if you're begging and spamming it in threads that are UNRELATED? i'm sure the comments on here are thriving because of ur intelligent take and not the fact u r begging and spamming it everywhere!

I agree with most of your point, indeed. Said that, without the spamming this thread would not had been commented by darkernighnet and randomized. So I do understand the negative side of spamming but I also identify it's usage.

Said that, if you have another example of approach that would work and not have the negative consequence os spamming, please, teach me that

 

[nun]

I agree with most of your point, indeed. Said that, without the spamming this thread would not had been commented by darkernighnet and randomized. So I do understand the negative side of spamming but I also identify it's usage.

Said that, if you have another example of approach that would work and not have the negative consequence os spamming, please, teach me that

i just believe linking it on your profile or related threads about ego would've suffice enough. randomized would've commented anyways because that dude is doing it all for the pure love of the game. the growth might've been a bit more slow, but it would've been natural and hopefully of higher quality. not everything needs to be spoken about immediately. it's when people read something and think about it at a later date do you know you've made an impact. i also believe that's what makes a forum interesting compared to a discord server. discord servers are quick and almost immediate. but forums, in my thoughts shouldn't be if you want anything meaningful to come from it. i hope you understand what i'm trying to say or if i'm making sense

 

[Wilk]

i just believe linking it on your profile or related threads about ego would've suffice enough. randomized would've commented anyways because that dude is doing it all for the pure love of the game. the growth might've been a bit more slow, but it would've been natural and hopefully of higher quality. not everything needs to be spoken about immediately. it's when people read something and think about it at a later date do you know you've made an impact. i also believe that's what makes a forum interesting compared to a discord server. discord servers are quick and almost immediate. but forums, in my thoughts shouldn't be if you want anything meaningful to come from it. i hope you understand what i'm trying to say or if i'm making sense

Interesting. I will take your voice into consideration. What a awesome human moment, thank you

 

[Randomized Shame]

randomized would've commented anyways because that dude is doing it all for the pure love of the game.

I'm assuming that's a compliment but that felt like an insult.

 

[nun]

Interesting. I will take your voice into consideration. What a awesome human moment, thank you

this will be the last thing i say since i don't wanna derail your post much further, but your heart is in the right place and i appreciate your patience. i think i came in swinging and i do apologize. i wish you success though in getting more meaningful conversations with others.

 

[Wilk]

this will be the last thing i say since i don't wanna derail your post much further, but your heart is in the right place and i appreciate your patience. i think i came in swinging and i do apologize. i wish you success though in getting more meaningful conversations with others.

, thank you

 

[Wilk]

bump

wow, that avi is beautiful

 

[dearestmin]

Now, the sense (opinions, etc.) that an individual has of themselves (including their sense of value, acceptance, etc.) is shaped by a psychological function called the "ego." Contrary to the common notion that "ego" means overrating oneself, in psychology, the ego refers to the function by which an individual discovers and asserts who they are based on their own original notions. Thus, someone with a strong ego is not necessarily someone who praises themselves excessively, but rather someone who can autonomously form a sense of their own identity.

However, the opinions you hold about yourself and your own worth can also be influenced by external sources. For example, if you constantly hear someone say that you are "fat"—even if your ego tells you otherwise—an inner voice may develop in your mind that insists, "I am fat."

The process of internalizing external commentary into our own psyche is called "introjection."

Over time, the ego’s role in asserting self-worth and identity can be overtaken by introjections. In extreme cases, the ego becomes so diminished that we might say it has "died," leaving the individual’s self-perception almost entirely dictated by introjections.

Unfortunately, a sociology book compiling various theories noted that most sociologists—despite their ideological differences—observed and agreed that individuals receive mostly negative stimuli from society. This constant molding through social interaction often involves threats, humiliation, punishment, and others negatives.

Combining these two ideas—that identity becomes dictated by society, stripping away the ability to autonomously define oneself, and that most introjections are negative—we see that many people internalize harmful beliefs about themselves.

In response to these negative introjections, individuals may seek to restore their sense of value. However, instead of rebuilding their ego, they attempt to derive worth from the very introjections that oppress them. And that is a mistake.

To illustrate this, consider some cases of body dysmorphia:

- A girl who was once overweight constantly heard from boys or her mother that she was "fat." She then starves herself and exercises excessively until she becomes thin. Yet, she still sees herself as fat because her self-perception is governed by past introjections. Even when others now tell her she is "skinny," these new introjections may not outweigh the old ones. She looks in the mirror and sees fatness because that is what the ingrained introjections dictate.

- A boy frequently hears contradictory opinions from his mother, whom he cares deeply about. One day, she tells him, "Your eyes are perfectly symmetrical—you’re so beautiful," and the next, she says, "Why are your eyes so ugly? You’re repulsive." Over time, these conflicting messages are internalized, causing him to oscillate between delusions of extreme beauty (and thus worthiness of love) and extreme ugliness (and shame). By adolescence, he exhibits erratic social behavior—one day avoiding people because he believes his face is grotesquely disproportionate, the next day acting with extreme confidence because he imagines his features have magically transformed. In reality, his appearance hasn’t changed; his perception is distorted by introjections.

- Another example: A boy whose self-worth is entirely comparative, dictated by societal introjections. To avoid feeling worthless, he must constantly prove himself superior to others. He chases wealth and status symbols, not for genuine fulfillment, but to escape the introjected belief that he is "fundamentally meaningless." He may even belittle others to artificially elevate himself, seeking temporary relief from his inadequacy.

- A woman refuses to date someone she’s attracted to because her introjections tell her that person is "low-value," and associating with them would diminish her own worth.

- A man engages in compulsive casual relationships to feel validated.

- A woman compulsively seduces multiple people to reinforce her sense of value.

While negative social stimuli have always existed, the increasing frequency of introjections—through letters, books, television, movies, and especially social media—has intensified this erosion of the ego.

Today, the prevalence of "toxic" people (and thus toxic relationships), largely shaped by this phenomenon, has reached near-epidemic levels in cities and social circles.

For this phenomenon, I propose the term **"Sociogenic Egoicide"**—literally, "the killing of the ego by societal dynamics." Possible remedies might include social isolation, the practice of "know thyself," and cultivating genuine pride rather than vanity.



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