Serious Friends, am I a naive for thinking like this?

[Dawn]

@Transposon love doesn't exist keep coping boyo (that's what a r****d would say)

 

[Transposon]

@Transposon love doesn't exist keep coping boyo (that's what a r****d would say)

truly hurts when your own brother says this..

 

[Dawn]

truly hurts when your own brother says this..

I was joking broskito

 

[Methodical]

Yeah I totally understand the last point, Ik it's a tough sell but I think there may be some value in it. Especially today. Btw I'd be happy to hear you talk about your personal experiences. That's partly why I think love is a weird concept for me too. I wanna believe in it. If you were perhaps, due to whatever small change paired with another woman, at least somewhat equally compatible like your current partner. Then you too would have believed that 'she' was the one made for you by the heavens. I don't wanna believe it's all chance either and we masquerade our initial sexual attraction to the point of maintaining a LTR.

I do think you could find people who share the same beliefs or values, and if it's a strong belief of yours then @Schizotypalcel is correct in saying you should stand by them. As long as you recognize the hardships that may come with that.

I do believe that God has blessed me with my wife. I'm not actually religious, but I understand what you mean.

I will say, it's not purely chance; I put a lot of effort into who I was and who I am to be able to meet, date and marry my wife, and to be able to maintain our happiness. That effort sometimes feels difficult, but never like it wasn't worth it.

On my very first date with her, I spoke about politics and everything. It's kind of a lot to do on a first date, and I would never ever recommend it if you're just trying to date; but my 'perfect' partner would've had to be okay with being open and transparent in the beginning, and I think it was a good way of verifying that.

Maybe you could find a similar 'test'? It's not a test per se, but something you could do that would help you determine if someone might be worth emotionally investing into.

If you're struggling to get dates in general, then that's technically a whole separate struggle.

 

[Transposon]

I do think you could find people who share the same beliefs or values, and if it's a strong belief of yours then @Schizotypalcel is correct in saying you should stand by them. As long as you recognize the hardships that may come with that.

I do believe that God has blessed me with my wife. I'm not actually religious, but I understand what you mean.

I will say, it's not purely chance; I put a lot of effort into who I was and who I am to be able to meet, date and marry my wife, and to be able to maintain our happiness. That effort sometimes feels difficult, but never like it wasn't worth it.

On my very first date with her, I spoke about politics and everything. It's kind of a lot to do on a first date, and I would never ever recommend it if you're just trying to date; but my 'perfect' partner would've had to be okay with being open and transparent in the beginning, and I think it was a good way of verifying that.

Maybe you could find a similar 'test'? It's not a test per se, but something you could do that would help you determine if someone might be worth emotionally investing into.

If you're struggling to get dates in general, then that's technically a whole separate struggle.

I get what you're saying completely. That in the long run it's much more beneficial to be yourself un-apologetically, than putting up a front to get quick dates. Thank you!

 

[kifykify]

Ye Ye but why did you react with the broken heart to my comments

 

[Transposon]

Ye Ye but why did you react with the broken heart to my comments

It represents my emotional state..

 

[Transposon]

Ye Ye but why did you react with the broken heart to my comments

ye ye but in reality I agree with you.. so all good rite? Bumpin entre nosotros as we speak rn

 

[kifykify]

It represents my emotional state..

Ye Ye, does sucking @Randomized Shame's dihh help?

 

[kifykify]

ye ye but in reality I agree with you.. so all good rite? Bumpin entre nosotros as we speak rn

Ye Ye those who predicted the response

 

[Transposon]

Ye Ye, does sucking @Randomized Shame's dihh help?

goated user as far as I am concerned, and so are you btw. In my top 5 users list bro

 

[kifykify]

goated user as far as I am concerned, and so are you btw. In my top 5 users list bro

Ye Ye this nikker @twinkdestroyer is up there too

 

[Transposon]

Ye Ye this nikker @twinkdestroyer is up there too

He's no.1 actually!

 

[Ninety Seven]

I've thought of this since I gained sentience, perhaps. You can be disingenuous and say you're just above this but we all know if you're present in this space you think about this to some extent... What should I do with the issue of modern dating? My childhood naive purity - 'I will find a woman I love, someday, and not have sex with her till marriage as God would want of me', clashes with the cold experiences I have in real life, and with those I have read, various times on such forums. True love in this sense seems to be the forgotten and outdated ritual, a remnant of a world that was shaped by religious individuals in power. Does my simple thinking have no place in today's world? Is 'love' in the unconditional manner we've grown to romanticize a mass hallucination, perhaps to keep us simple folks bound to monogamous pairings?
If you come at this from a giving advice angle I'd genuinely appreciate..

If you’re religious you’re automatically low IQ, unless you’re pagan, therefore waiting for marriage is cope, imma bust a fat nut inside my bih flaps as soon as I can

 

[TonyDr]

I've thought of this since I gained sentience, perhaps. You can be disingenuous and say you're just above this but we all know if you're present in this space you think about this to some extent... What should I do with the issue of modern dating? My childhood naive purity - 'I will find a woman I love, someday, and not have sex with her till marriage as God would want of me', clashes with the cold experiences I have in real life, and with those I have read, various times on such forums. True love in this sense seems to be the forgotten and outdated ritual, a remnant of a world that was shaped by religious individuals in power. Does my simple thinking have no place in today's world? Is 'love' in the unconditional manner we've grown to romanticize a mass hallucination, perhaps to keep us simple folks bound to monogamous pairings?
If you come at this from a giving advice angle I'd genuinely appreciate..

"Real true love" never existed it's a made-up scenario and some non-scientifically based explanations for what's happening inside our brain with a bunch of hormones. Nothing unconditional, nothing magical.

Remember that through history, women were heavily restricted : Both by religions, power and Nature.
Meaning that to avoid single mothers and offsprings death, women was obligated to marry & being virgin, so a man could provide for both survival.
Meaning that "true love" was mistaken by "i've known only my husband"

Nowadays, there is sexual liberation and feminism, so women can work, get governement financial help and they have birth control.
So their hypergamy is fully expressed, just like before human race started to imposing strict laws about it.
They dating the men they want, not the ones they need in order to survive her and her potential offsprings. They can go can physical & sexual quick, without expecting anything else like some written commitment.

Of course, there are consequences to that, a lot of men give up on women, women dating trashy men & developp traumas, trash behaviour, hate and misandry over their own choices, and both become dull to old values like a relationship is work, unity, partnership, roles etc and rather break-up/cheat to see if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

Unfortunately we, men, got lied to about [modern] women so we need to remove that delusional pedestal from our head ASAP and deep down accepting what women are and how they act. You need to accept it, and enjoy while it lasts.

Protect yourself financially, emotionally, enjoy your turn and seek the benefits.

 

[Transposon]

"Real true love" never existed it's a made-up scenario and some non-scientifically based explanations for what's happening inside our brain with a bunch of hormones. Nothing unconditional, nothing magical.

Remember that through history, women were heavily restricted : Both by religions, power and Nature.
Meaning that to avoid single mothers and offsprings death, women was obligated to marry & being virgin, so a man could provide for both survival.
Meaning that "true love" was mistaken by "i've known only my husband"

Nowadays, there is sexual liberation and feminism, so women can work, get governement financial help and they have birth control.
So their hypergamy is fully expressed, just like before human race started to imposing strict laws about it.
They dating the men they want, not the ones they need in order to survive her and her potential offsprings. They can go can physical & sexual quick, without expecting anything else like some written commitment.

Of course, there are consequences to that, a lot of men give up on women, women dating trashy men & developp traumas, trash behaviour, hate and misandry over their own choices, and both become dull to old values like a relationship is work, unity, partnership, roles etc and rather break-up/cheat to see if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

Unfortunately we, men, got lied to about [modern] women so we need to remove that delusional pedestal from our head ASAP and deep down accepting what women are and how they act. You need to accept it, and enjoy while it lasts.

Protect yourself financially, emotionally, enjoy your turn and seek the benefits.

Wow bhai. You’re very extreme ngl and you’re breaking my heart. But thanks for typing this

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

"Real true love" never existed it's a made-up scenario and some non-scientifically based explanations for what's happening inside our brain with a bunch of hormones. Nothing unconditional, nothing magical.

Remember that through history, women were heavily restricted : Both by religions, power and Nature.
Meaning that to avoid single mothers and offsprings death, women was obligated to marry & being virgin, so a man could provide for both survival.
Meaning that "true love" was mistaken by "i've known only my husband"

Nowadays, there is sexual liberation and feminism, so women can work, get governement financial help and they have birth control.
So their hypergamy is fully expressed, just like before human race started to imposing strict laws about it.
They dating the men they want, not the ones they need in order to survive her and her potential offsprings. They can go can physical & sexual quick, without expecting anything else like some written commitment.

Of course, there are consequences to that, a lot of men give up on women, women dating trashy men & developp traumas, trash behaviour, hate and misandry over their own choices, and both become dull to old values like a relationship is work, unity, partnership, roles etc and rather break-up/cheat to see if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

Unfortunately we, men, got lied to about [modern] women so we need to remove that delusional pedestal from our head ASAP and deep down accepting what women are and how they act. You need to accept it, and enjoy while it lasts.

Protect yourself financially, emotionally, enjoy your turn and seek the benefits.

DNR but so cute and the blue font with ur catch phrase was so tuff

 

[Lebensmude]

I've thought of this since I gained sentience, perhaps. You can be disingenuous and say you're just above this but we all know if you're present in this space you think about this to some extent... What should I do with the issue of modern dating? My childhood naive purity - 'I will find a woman I love, someday, and not have sex with her till marriage as God would want of me', clashes with the cold experiences I have in real life, and with those I have read, various times on such forums. True love in this sense seems to be the forgotten and outdated ritual, a remnant of a world that was shaped by religious individuals in power. Does my simple thinking have no place in today's world? Is 'love' in the unconditional manner we've grown to romanticize a mass hallucination, perhaps to keep us simple folks bound to monogamous pairings?
If you come at this from a giving advice angle I'd genuinely appreciate..

I have 4 friends who have all been married for years completely faithfully because they're good catholics and they found good catholic women who pray the rosary and go to confession

 

[apatheia]

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Wow bhai. You’re very extreme ngl and you’re breaking my heart. But thanks for typing this

I can give you my opinion but:

Here are a few positive, undeniable truths about relationships that are supported and replicated by studies / data:

1. Large majority of couples are satisfied and happy in their relationships.
2. Promiscuity is low. (Having many casual sex partners.)
3. Majority of sex happens within committed relationships.
4. People view romantic partners positively and find them more attractive than a person not romantically attracted to them.
5. Prosocial behavior is attractive.

On top of that, prosocial skills can be learned as long as your brain is not completely hardwired in a certain way.

"Cuckery" / you are not the father situations is shown to be low as well.

I can give you my sources if you want.

 

[Lebensmude]

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~—• APATHEIA •—~​

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I can give you my opinion but:

Here are a few positive, undeniable truths about relationships that are supported and replicated by studies / data:

1. Large majority of couples are satisfied and happy in their relationships.
2. Promiscuity is low. (Having many casual sex partners.)
3. Majority of sex happens within committed relationships.
4. People view romantic partners positively and find them more attractive than a person not romantically attracted to them.
5. Prosocial behavior is attractive.

On top of that, prosocial skills can be learned as long as your brain is not completely hardwired in a certain way.

"Cuckery" / you are not the father situations is shown to be low as well.

I can give you my sources if you want.

like 20% of all women make up 100% of cheating statistics, women who get their pair bonding instinct obliterated by serial monogamy

 

[apatheia]

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like 20% of all women make up 100% of cheating statistics, women who get their pair bonding instinct obliterated by serial monogamy

Could I get your sources? I would be interested in reading them.

 

[Transposon]

I have 4 friends who have all been married for years completely faithfully because they're good catholics and they found good catholic women who pray the rosary and go to confession

n***a you’re 17

 

[Transposon]

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I can give you my opinion but:

Here are a few positive, undeniable truths about relationships that are supported and replicated by studies / data:

1. Large majority of couples are satisfied and happy in their relationships.
2. Promiscuity is low. (Having many casual sex partners.)
3. Majority of sex happens within committed relationships.
4. People view romantic partners positively and find them more attractive than a person not romantically attracted to them.
5. Prosocial behavior is attractive.

On top of that, prosocial skills can be learned as long as your brain is not completely hardwired in a certain way.

"Cuckery" / you are not the father situations is shown to be low as well.

I can give you my sources if you want.

I wanna know more

 

[apatheia]

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I wanna know more

Would you like the sources? There is a few good research articles and statistics that pretty much sums this up in a concise manner, but I could also find the individual sources.

 

[Lebensmude]

n***a you’re 17

Yeah I'm also catholic n***a I'm friends with people ranging from 90 to 14

 

[Transposon]

Yeah I'm also catholic n***a I'm friends with people ranging from 90 to 14

Thanks for the positive comment.

 

[Transposon]

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Would you like the sources? There is a few good research articles and statistics that pretty much sums this up in a concise manner, but I could also find the individual sources.

I would appreciate it.

 

[Lebensmude]

Thanks for the positive comment.

I'll gold rep you but I'm not happy abut it f****t

 

[Jeezy]

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~—• APATHEIA •—~​

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I can give you my opinion but:

Here are a few positive, undeniable truths about relationships that are supported and replicated by studies / data:

1. Large majority of couples are satisfied and happy in their relationships.
2. Promiscuity is low. (Having many casual sex partners.)
3. Majority of sex happens within committed relationships.
4. People view romantic partners positively and find them more attractive than a person not romantically attracted to them.
5. Prosocial behavior is attractive.

On top of that, prosocial skills can be learned as long as your brain is not completely hardwired in a certain way.

"Cuckery" / you are not the father situations is shown to be low as well.

I can give you my sources if you want.

COPE

 

[Lebensmude]

"Real true love" never existed it's a made-up scenario and some non-scientifically based explanations for what's happening inside our brain with a bunch of hormones. Nothing unconditional, nothing magical.

Remember that through history, women were heavily restricted : Both by religions, power and Nature.
Meaning that to avoid single mothers and offsprings death, women was obligated to marry & being virgin, so a man could provide for both survival.
Meaning that "true love" was mistaken by "i've known only my husband"

Nowadays, there is sexual liberation and feminism, so women can work, get governement financial help and they have birth control.
So their hypergamy is fully expressed, just like before human race started to imposing strict laws about it.
They dating the men they want, not the ones they need in order to survive her and her potential offsprings. They can go can physical & sexual quick, without expecting anything else like some written commitment.

Of course, there are consequences to that, a lot of men give up on women, women dating trashy men & developp traumas, trash behaviour, hate and misandry over their own choices, and both become dull to old values like a relationship is work, unity, partnership, roles etc and rather break-up/cheat to see if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

Unfortunately we, men, got lied to about [modern] women so we need to remove that delusional pedestal from our head ASAP and deep down accepting what women are and how they act. You need to accept it, and enjoy while it lasts.

Protect yourself financially, emotionally, enjoy your turn and seek the benefits.

Summa Theologica, II-II, Q. 98, Art. 2–3 (On the Punishments of the First Sin)
"To the woman [God] said: 'I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions: in sorrow shalt thou conceive children, and thou shalt be under thy husband's power, and he shall have dominion over thee' (Genesis 3:16). [...] This punishment regards woman in two ways: first, in respect of the child-bearing which is common to all women; secondly, in respect of her subjection to her husband, which is special to wives who are under a yoke." Aquinas interprets this as original sin causing women to experience greater sorrow in reproduction and a loss of equality, making them prone to subjugation due to the disorder introduced by Eve's disobedience. This subjection is not merely social but a spiritual effect, where sin amplifies vulnerability to male authority, seen as a remedy against further moral disorder."

 

[Transposon]

COPE

listen bhai. Perhaps your views on this issue are different. I am willing to admit this much, It’s a loaded topic. But there is no point in telling people they’re coping. Everyone is trying to be the best versions of themselves.

Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one. - Marcus Aurelius​

We all have to live by the principles we consider to have a higher meaning.

 

[apatheia]

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COPE

Did you not see my statement in the post?

Here are a few positive, undeniable truths about relationships that are supported and replicated by studies / data:

This is not just citing one off studies and fake data like what most blackpillers do, this is replicated across multiple studies and data, meaning multiple studies and data show support for this.

Blackpillers like to say things such as: "Oh, dual mating strategy exists" when it has not even been replicated at all and there is no good evidence for it.

Any evolutionary psychologist has way more knowledge about well, evolutionary psychology than some random blackpill basement philosopher you heard on youtube or on these forums.

Calm down from the meltdown you are having right now Jeezy, and let me find those sources.

 

[Transposon]

listen bhai. Perhaps your views on this issue are different. I am willing to admit this much, It’s a loaded topic. But there is no point in telling people they’re coping. Everyone is trying to be the best versions of themselves.

We all have to live by the principles we consider to have a higher meaning.

@Knight did actually cook with his response.
If and even if, someone deceives you, since a lot of our insecurities are based on, ‘but bro what if the woman lies?’ I am well aware of this concern. Isn’t our duty, however, to be rightful men under God? I know this is much easier said than done. (I will most likely fail this)

Summa Theologica, II-II, Q. 98, Art. 2–3 (On the Punishments of the First Sin)
"To the woman [God] said: 'I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions: in sorrow shalt thou conceive children, and thou shalt be under thy husband's power, and he shall have dominion over thee' (Genesis 3:16). [...] This punishment regards woman in two ways: first, in respect of the child-bearing which is common to all women; secondly, in respect of her subjection to her husband, which is special to wives who are under a yoke." Aquinas interprets this as original sin causing women to experience greater sorrow in reproduction and a loss of equality, making them prone to subjugation due to the disorder introduced by Eve's disobedience. This subjection is not merely social but a spiritual effect, where sin amplifies vulnerability to male authority, seen as a remedy against further moral disorder."

Could you simplify this

 

[Deleted Member 77884]

Whatever you do with the reason "God wants it" is not naive nor simple, its just retarded

 

[Lebensmude]

@Knight did actually cook with his response.
If out even if, someone deceives you

Could you simplify this

the punishment on women for original sin is that they get emotional super easily, childbirth is painful, and they ought to be subjugated under a husband to make sure they don't sin like crazy, the guilt of adam is that he was a simp and went along with what his wife did so the unique punishment for men is having to manage a wife and a family & work to support them and they get angrier easily (extremely simplified)

 

[Transposon]

Whatever you do with the reason "God wants it" is not naive nor simple, its just retarded

I’d love to hear you expand on that

 

[Lebensmude]

I’d love to hear you expand on that

haha I just caught on

 

[Deleted Member 77884]

I’d love to hear you expand on that

If you do something because it's what other wants, then you don't truly believe nor understand the thought behind it
"I won't smoke because mom doesn't want to" is retarded "I don't smoke because it created addiction and has no benefits" is a actual belief of your own
If you truly want to stay virgin until marriage you should understand why, if it is because it's somebody else will then you will never understand and you will give up about it.

 

[Transposon]

If you do something because it's what other wants, then you don't truly believe nor understand the thought behind it
"I won't smoke because mom doesn't want to" is retarded "I don't smoke because it created addiction and has no benefits" is a actual belief of your own
If you truly want to stay virgin until marriage you should understand why, if it is because it's somebody else will then you will never understand and you will give up about it.

When someone says “I don’t smoke because mom told me not to”, the objection works, because mom is a mortal person with preferences that may or may not be universally applicable.
But the concept of God in moral philosophy is that, he is not just another person with arbitrary will.
Instead, God is understood as the source and standard of moral reality

 

[Deleted Member 77884]

When someone says “I don’t smoke because mom told me not to”, the objection works, because mom is a mortal person with preferences that may or may not be universally applicable.
But the concept of God in moral philosophy is that, he is not just another person with arbitrary will.
Instead, God is understood as the source and standard of moral reality

God and mom are the same. They are an outside of you subject that you obey.
You need to understand and defend your position of living and believing. "The moral says so" is not useful

 

[Transposon]

God and mom are the same. They are an outside of you subject that you obey.
You need to understand and defend your position of living and believing. "The moral says so" is not useful

You will need to read my statement again

 

[TonyDr]

Wow bhai. You’re very extreme ngl and you’re breaking my heart. But thanks for typing this

I'm just simply realistic, it is what hapoening with modern dating, once you've accepted it, you can enjoy really enjoy your time with a woman/women

 

[Deleted Member 77884]

You will need to read my statement again

Not at all, you are not thinking, just following. Wether a mortal or a standard blablabla, you are following and not thinking. That's why you are questioning if giving up, you have no pillars on your beliefs, because they aren't beliefs, but rather a guide.

 

[Shitbit]

I've thought of this since I gained sentience, perhaps. You can be disingenuous and say you're just above this but we all know if you're present in this space you think about this to some extent... What should I do with the issue of modern dating? My childhood naive purity - 'I will find a woman I love, someday, and not have sex with her till marriage as God would want of me', clashes with the cold experiences I have in real life, and with those I have read, various times on such forums. True love in this sense seems to be the forgotten and outdated ritual, a remnant of a world that was shaped by religious individuals in power. Does my simple thinking have no place in today's world? Is 'love' in the unconditional manner we've grown to romanticize a mass hallucination, perhaps to keep us simple folks bound to monogamous pairings?
If you come at this from a giving advice angle I'd genuinely appreciate..

Monogamy is necessary for a society to flourish… Its not mass hallucination its just a sign of a healthy society

 

[Shitbit]

I've thought of this since I gained sentience, perhaps. You can be disingenuous and say you're just above this but we all know if you're present in this space you think about this to some extent... What should I do with the issue of modern dating? My childhood naive purity - 'I will find a woman I love, someday, and not have sex with her till marriage as God would want of me', clashes with the cold experiences I have in real life, and with those I have read, various times on such forums. True love in this sense seems to be the forgotten and outdated ritual, a remnant of a world that was shaped by religious individuals in power. Does my simple thinking have no place in today's world? Is 'love' in the unconditional manner we've grown to romanticize a mass hallucination, perhaps to keep us simple folks bound to monogamous pairings?
If you come at this from a giving advice angle I'd genuinely appreciate..

You are definitely not naive for thinking like this… Monogamy has been the norm for decades and youve been brought up right… However the world we live in is fucked up rn and youll have to adapt… So dont expect love man… You should try to find it but dont get your hopes up

 

[Chifuyu]

I've thought of this since I gained sentience, perhaps. You can be disingenuous and say you're just above this but we all know if you're present in this space you think about this to some extent... What should I do with the issue of modern dating? My childhood naive purity - 'I will find a woman I love, someday, and not have sex with her till marriage as God would want of me', clashes with the cold experiences I have in real life, and with those I have read, various times on such forums. True love in this sense seems to be the forgotten and outdated ritual, a remnant of a world that was shaped by religious individuals in power. Does my simple thinking have no place in today's world? Is 'love' in the unconditional manner we've grown to romanticize a mass hallucination, perhaps to keep us simple folks bound to monogamous pairings?
If you come at this from a giving advice angle I'd genuinely appreciate..

I have the same mindset as you and look where it got me, I’m an 29 year old dateless KHHV. But also I’m facially a truecel, which you probably aren’t. So I can’t call you naïve because I’m just like you in that regard.