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[Mia]

whats the point of dying for our sins tho
if hes god he can js give us forgiveness no need to merc out muh boy big J

gr no no NO. u don't understand that's no how it works cus it all went wrong with eve ate the apple and stuff cus then both Adam and even gained like awareness of what's RIGHT and WRONG. and so bc we HAVE the awareness he cant just forgive us over and over because imagine if someone killed a person and he forgives without them having to repent and th eperson keeps doing it yk

 

[submissivechud]

gr no no NO. u don't understand that's no how it works cus it all went wrong with eve ate the apple and stuff cus then both Adam and even gained like awareness of what's RIGHT and WRONG.

and why did the apple of the knowledge of good and evil give them that knowledge?
what does it change?
i think (in accordance to christianity atleast) that the apple is a symbolism that shows that WE judge our sins and that if we dont view it as evil then its not
because learning about good and evil allowed humanity to sin
but if eve and adam sinned before hand then it wouldnt have counted

and so bc we HAVE the awareness he cant just forgive us over and over because imagine if someone killed a person and he forgives without them having to repent and th eperson keeps doing it yk

well jesus dying changes nothing
js seems like a needless sacrifice
if god is powerful enough to give us forgiveness then why does he have to die to fufill it
unless hes not all powerful

 

[Mia]

and why did the apple of the knowledge of good and evil give them that knowledge?
what does it change?
i think (in accordance to christianity atleast) that the apple is a symbolism that shows that WE judge our sins and that if we dont view it as evil then its not
because learning about good and evil allowed humanity to sin
but if eve and adam sinned before hand then it wouldnt have counted

well jesus dying changes nothing
js seems like a needless sacrifice
if god is powerful enough to give us forgiveness then why does he have to die to fufill it
unless hes not all powerful

no omg look okay imagine if the apple wasn't there. how do u think the world would be? also ill get to the Jesus dying part after u tell me ts.

 

[submissivechud]

no omg look okay imagine if the apple wasn't there. how do u think the world would be? also ill get to the Jesus dying part after u tell me ts.

humans would be immortal and unsinning

 

[Mia]

humans would be immortal and unsinning

no. your missing the MOST important part. we wouldn't have FREE WILL. do you get where I'm coming from here if we were just living up to God's standards we would not truly be "free" u get what I mean right

 

[submissivechud]

no. your missing the MOST important part. we wouldn't have FREE WILL. do you get where I'm coming from here if we were just living up to God's standards we would not truly be "free" u get what I mean right

no i dont beleive thats possible according to the Christian god
the argument defending unnecessary pain and suffering in the human realm is that god values free will and doesn't want to interfere
so humans should have always had free will no matter what as if they didnt it would take down a core arguement defending christianity
thats most the reason ion beleive in god

 

[Mia]

no i dont beleive thats possible according to the Christian god
the argument defending unnecessary pain and suffering in the human realm is that god values free will and doesn't want to interfere
so humans should have always had free will no matter what as if they didnt it would take down a core arguement defending christianity
thats most the reason ion beleive in god

sorry let me get ts straight so if yr saying that's not true like what r u saying instead then? I'm a bit uh brain fried so u gotta break it down son

 

[submissivechud]

sorry let me get ts straight so if yr saying that's not true like what r u saying instead then? I'm a bit uh brain fried so u gotta break it down son

well the only possible option that doesnt contradict Christianity is that humans have always had free will
how did eve eat the apple if she didnt?

 

[Mia]

well the only possible option that doesnt contradict Christianity is that humans have always had free will
how did eve eat the apple if she didnt?

bc didn't God make it that way he's all knowing he knew it would happen he knows everything right

 

[submissivechud]

bc didn't God make it that way he's all knowing he knew it would happen he knows everything right

then what was the point of having the apple in the first place
he could have just given the apple to them immediately
unless Lucifer is outside of gods power which would contradict god being all powerful

 

[Mia]

then what was the point of having the apple in the first place
he could have just given the apple to them immediately
unless Lucifer is outside of gods power which would contradict god being all powerful

IDKKKKK give me a minute to think

 

[Mia]

then what was the point of having the apple in the first place
he could have just given the apple to them immediately
unless Lucifer is outside of gods power which would contradict god being all powerful

okay SO. God knew it would happen because he is all knowing like I said. but that doesn't mean he like made it happen idk if I'm making sense. the whole point of the apple was to give adam and eve a real choice. if God had only given them like the apple immediately or forced them to do good then they would have been like robots nd stuff without gen having free will. for love and loyalty to mean anything, there had to be the option to say no yikwim? AND LUCIFER isn't outside of God's power. God is all powerful it says in the bible I feel like but part of his design was to give free will to us beings, which included the angels. lucifer chose to USE his free will to REBEL, making the first sin to have happened in heaven which was PRIDE aka the most worst sin ppl call it ig which means evil came from a living entity making a bad choice, not from God creating an evil being I think

 

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what else would u mean by identify yourself
was it a shadow slave reference???!?!

who r u

 

[submissivechud]

okay SO. God knew it would happen because he is all knowing like I said. but that doesn't mean he like made it happen idk if I'm making sense. the whole point of the apple was to give adam and eve a real choice. if God had only given them like the apple immediately or forced them to do good then they would have been like robots nd stuff without gen having free will. for love and loyalty to mean anything, there had to be the option to say no yikwim?

but whats the point of the option
if he knows we will eat the apple then theres no difference between allowing us choice or just giving us the outcome
and punishing us for something he knew wed do is odd
because atp why not just create us with the ability to sin instead of punishing us later for doing a predetermined action
and either way what we did wasnt determined by free will
eve was tricked by an angel himself
what human would be able to outsmart or even deny lucifer other then god

AND LUCIFER isn't outside of God's power. God is all powerful it says in the bible I feel like but part of his design was to give free will to us beings, which included the angels. lucifer chose to USE his free will to REBEL, making the first sin to have happened in heaven which was PRIDE aka the most worst sin ppl call it ig which means evil came from a living entity making a bad choice, not from God creating an evil being I think

but because god is 4 dimensional he creates a being in all of its forms
if you are outside of time then it is compressed into everything and god is present throughout all of time
him creating a being that will go on to commit sin means he is creating a sinner
so either god wanted lucifer to sin
or he isnt real

 

[submissivechud]

who r u

im submissivechud

 

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[Deleted Member 61421]

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[Deleted Member 121099]

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[Deleted Member 61421]

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