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[Wilk]

World is full of contradiction. You are taking into consideration that the existence of contradiction implies that something cant be useful.

Lets take for example that philosophically 0,9999... is something differently from 1.
However, mathematically, 0,999999..... = 1.









x=0,9‾...

10x=9,9...

10x−x=9,9...−0,9....

9x=9

x=9/9=1

x=1 & x= 0,999....

Apart from that mathematical case, i would also like to remind you of the classical problem of the first cause behind the existence of the universe, which is also a contradiction of reality.


Reality is not obliged to be logical or rational.

@Genetics

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

World is full of contradiction. You are taking into consideration that the existence of contradiction implies that something cant be useful.

Lets take for example that philosophically 0,9999... is something differently from 1.
However, mathematically, 0,999999..... = 1.









x=0,9‾...

10x=9,9...

10x−x=9,9...−0,9....

9x=9

x=9/9=1

x=1 & x= 0,999....

That’s not a contradiction it’s an identity. 0.999… = 1 because the system of real numbers is consistent. You’re proving the opposite of your point logic resolves what looks like a contradiction into coherence.

 

[Wilk]

That’s not a contradiction it’s an identity. 0.999… = 1 because the system of real numbers is consistent. You’re proving the opposite of your point logic resolves what looks like a contradiction into coherence.

Contradictions in reality can be perceived as coherence if a model is adjusted to take the contradiction as part of reality instead of a flaw in it.

Said that, under the previous named meaning of logic, mathematical logic contradicts multiple other philosophical logics which states that 0,9... is not 1.

And you didn't spoke of the first motor problem

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

Contradictions in reality can be perceived as coherence if a model is adjusted to take the contradiction as part of reality instead of a flaw in it.

Said that, under the previous named meaning of logic, mathematical logic contradicts multiple other philosophical logics which states that 0,9... is not 1.

And you didn't spoke of the first motor problem

As for the first motor, that’s a separate metaphysical debate. My point about logic’s utility still stands logical coherence is required to even discuss or model reality consistently. Without it, everything becomes purely subjective.

 

[Wilk]

As for the first motor, that’s a separate metaphysical debate. My point about logic’s utility still stands logical coherence is required to even discuss or model reality consistently. Without it, everything becomes purely subjective.

but we already made it clear that our meaning of logic is not the same, you even commented it

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

but we already made it clear that our meaning of logic is not the same, you even commented it

Even with your definition, usefulness still needs consistency. Without it, a model can’t reliably serve reality.

 

[Wilk]

Even with your definition, usefulness still needs consistency. Without it, a model can’t reliably serve reality.

Yes yes yes, it needs consistence exclusively on where it is specifically useful or none at all (like in religious models which serve another societal manipulation for example, or even some discussions on Law)

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

Yes yes yes, it needs consistence exclusively on where it is specifically useful or none at all (like in religious models which serve another societal manipulation for example, or even some discussions on Law)

So yes models can serve a purpose, but only if they’re coherent. Without that, usefulness is meaningless.

 

[emeraldpill]

this is exactly what negative iq looks like, lmao

and the asterisks for bold formatting lol

 

[Genetics]

@Genetics

"Reality is not obliged to be logical or rational"

I agree. Nothing is certain. Also why it's useless to ponder. Just do da drugs and forget about life. Just popped my evening xanaxxxxx AHHHHH

Bout to fill those lungs widdd ganja in a second, and tomorrow is cocaine day!

 

[Wilk]

So yes models can serve a purpose, but only if they’re coherent. Without that, usefulness is meaningless.

not necessarily, because it can have the incorrect understating and calculation but still produce the right result for a limited amount of circumstances. It can even be extremely incoherent (like religious texts)

 

[Wilk]

and the asterisks for bold formatting lol

instead of discussing ideas, its criticizing formatting? its just a troll