Discussion How can men complain about hypergamy

[NoIamHuman]

When there’s plenty of women dealing with men who piss in bottles and can barely hold a job

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[Deleted Member 111657]

When there’s plenty of of women dealing with men who piss in bottles and can barely hold a job

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I don’t know I only ever see women date down I swear

 

[NoIamHuman]

I promise you if you really wanted a girlfriend you would have one

 

[NoIamHuman]

I don’t know I only ever see women date down I swear

Fr and they fight other women over their trash man

 

[Deleted Member 118204]

Hypergamy is normal, no guy wants to date an ugly girl, if anything guys have higher standards compared to their own looks level and most girls end up dating guys uglier than them...

 

[benny]

hypergamy is actually necessary i’ve spoken abt this before

women’s risk in sexual relationships (motherhood, pregnancy, single mother hood, etc.) is much higher then men’s

it’s always existed u can either bitch abt it or change your life for the better

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

When there’s plenty of women dealing with men who piss in bottles and can barely hold a job

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where is the peer reviewed study that shows this

 

[NoIamHuman]

where is the peer reviewed study that shows this

It’s called going outside and talking to women

 

[NoIamHuman]

hypergamy is actually necessary i’ve spoken abt this before

women’s risk in sexual relationships (motherhood, pregnancy, single mother hood, etc.) is much higher then men’s

it’s always existed u can either bitch abt it or change your life for the better

Ofc it’s necessary but I’m just talking about the men that complain about it

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

hypergamy is actually necessary i’ve spoken abt this before

women’s risk in sexual relationships (motherhood, pregnancy, single mother hood, etc.) is much higher then men’s

it’s always existed u can either bitch abt it or change your life for the better

These risks in sexual relationships do not exist anymore, as the vast majority of sexual encounters do not result in children. In fact, most women and men do not want to have them. The vast majority of single mother preganancies are aborted, which removes another risk
(possibility of single motherhood)


I do agree that it's just biological, and women have always been hypergamous

Whether it's fair, anyone can argue about, but it is reality

 

[Byro]

When there’s plenty of women dealing with men who piss in bottles and can barely hold a job

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I’m a hypergamous moid truely Stacy sexual

 

[rand anon]

Just be bottle pissing Chad brahhh

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

hypergamy is actually necessary i’ve spoken abt this before

women’s risk in sexual relationships (motherhood, pregnancy, single mother hood, etc.) is much higher then men’s

it’s always existed u can either bitch abt it or change your life for the better

I mean but I feel like women don’t often date men more attractive than them idk why everyone acts like it’s a common thing

 

[Byro]

These risks in sexual relationships do not exist anymore, as the vast majority of sexual encounters do not result in children. In fact, most women and men do not want to have them. The vast majority of single mother preganancies are aborted, which removes another risk
(possibility of single motherhood)


I do agree that it's just biological, and women have always been hypergamous

Whether it's fair, anyone can argue about, but it is reality

I mean both genders are hypergamous to one extent

 

[NoIamHuman]

Hypergamy is normal, no guy wants to date an ugly girl, if anything guys have higher standards compared to their own looks level and most girls end up dating guys uglier than them...

There’s because the amount of attractive women is much larger than the amount of attractive men

 

[NoIamHuman]

Just be bottle pissing Chad brahhh

No

They are not Chads in the slightest I promise you

 

[Deleted Member 118204]

There’s because the amount of attractive women is much larger than the amount of attractive men

Maybe on the surface, it's much more socially accepted for women to fraud.

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

There’s because the amount of attractive women is much larger than the amount of attractive men

Literally why they all chopped I see at least 30 beautiful women a day and like 2.5 attractive guys

 

[benny]

I mean but I feel like women don’t often date men more attractive than them idk why everyone acts like it’s a common thing

yeah but what you feel like and what actually happens are two different things, i’m sure some incel will drop a study proving hypergamy statistically

 

[Byro]

Literally why they all chopped I see at least 30 beautiful women a day and like 2.5 attractive guys

Is the half attractive guy a midget like Peter Dinklage

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

No

They are not Chads in the slightest I promise you

The only example I've observed that fits what you're saying is the average mexican couple


like bruh these ugly ass mexican dudes pull htbs and stacies

 

[rand anon]

No

They are not Chads in the slightest I promise you

Just be bottle pissing, NT, low inhib, possibly drug dealing, bradddd

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

yeah but what you feel like and what actually happens are two different things, i’m sure some incel will drop a study proving hypergamy statistically

I would love to see it. I can’t imagine that’s something you can study due to how subjective the entire concept is

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

Is the half attractive guy a midget like Peter Dinklage

No he’s just like cute ugly

 

[NoIamHuman]

Maybe on the surface, it's much more socially accepted for women to fraud.

Even without frauding women overall look better than men

 

[Luxe]

When there’s plenty of women dealing with men who piss in bottles and can barely hold a job

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You don’t have to talk abt me behind my back

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

Maybe on the surface, it's much more socially accepted for women to fraud.

Plus, many of the things that make women attractive are just easier to fraud

You can fake rounded eyes and pink lips, you can't fake a forward grown maxilla and sloped browridge

 

[rand anon]

The only example I've observed that fits what you're saying is the average mexican couple


like bruh these ugly ass mexican dudes pull htbs and stacies

That’s diff though, Hispanics dont hve do deal with much hypergamy within their communities

 

[TFC]

When there’s plenty of women dealing with men who piss in bottles and can barely hold a job

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if you dont see the reality of hypergamy leave the forum. dumb foid

 

[TFC]

That’s diff though, Hispanics dont hve do deal with much hypergamy within their communities

ya cus they have a bunch of kids and they are traditional and have family values. this leads to NON hypergamy

 

[NoIamHuman]

if you dont see the reality of hypergamy leave the forum. dumb foid

Oh fuck off I just gave you an example of the opposite of hypergamy

 

[benny]

I would love to see it. I can’t imagine that’s something you can study due to how subjective the entire concept is

http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf

here u go

chatgpt summary for easier digestion:
Here’s a clear, digestible breakdown of the study “Evolution of Human Mate Choice” by Geary, Vigil, & Byrd-Craven:














Core Idea (in plain English)








The paper argues that human dating preferences aren’t random—they’re shaped by evolution.





At the highest level:

• People choose partners based on reproductive value
• Meaning: Who gives me the best chance of having healthy, successful offspring?

The Big Framework











1.


Sexual selection drives behavior








There are two main forces:

• Competition (usually male vs male)
• Choice (usually female choosing males)

Why?

• Women invest more biologically (pregnancy, childbirth)
• So they’re more selective
• Men can reproduce more easily → more competition

This pattern shows up across most animal species, not just humans














Why Men & Women Differ











Key concept:


Parental Investment

• Women: high cost (pregnancy, risk, time)
• Men: lower cost (can reproduce more often)

Result:

• Women = choosier
• Men = more willing to pursue multiple partners

Women’s Mate Preferences (simplified)











Women generally prioritize:











1.


Resources & Status

• Money, success, ambition
• Why? → Helps raise children

This is one of the most consistent findings across cultures














2.


Willingness to invest

• Kindness, stability, family orientation
• Not just “has resources,” but will he use them for me and kids?

3.


Good genes (physical traits)

• Symmetry
• Masculine features (jaw, cheekbones)
• Health cues

These signal:

• Strong immune system
• Better offspring survival

4.


Protection ability

• Physical strength or dominance
• Ability to defend

Tradeoff women face:

• “Good dad” vs “good genes”

This leads to mixed strategies, like:

• Long-term partner for stability
• Occasional attraction to genetically “high-quality” men

Men’s Mate Preferences (simplified)











Men generally prioritize:











1.


Fertility cues

• Youth
• Physical attractiveness
• Body ratios (e.g., waist-to-hip)

These correlate with:

• Higher reproductive potential

2.


Short-term vs long-term shift

• Short-term: low standards, focus on attractiveness
• Long-term: higher standards (personality, loyalty)

3.


Sexual fidelity

• Extremely important to men (to avoid raising another man’s child)

Biggest Behavioral Difference











Men:

• More interested in casual sex
• More partners on average
• Lower selectiveness short-term

Women:

• More cautious
• Prefer long-term stability

This difference is one of the most robust findings in psychology














Interesting Findings











Attraction shifts across menstrual cycle

• During ovulation:
  • Women prefer more masculine / “genetically strong” men
• 
  
• Other times:
  • Prefer stable, nurturing men

Social context matters








Preferences aren’t fixed:

• If men are scarce → women get pickier, men commit more
• If women are abundant → men pursue more casual strategies

Divorce patterns

• One of the most common causes:
  • Lack of resources (from men)
  • Infidelity

Big Picture Summary








The study argues:

• Human dating behavior is shaped by evolutionary pressures
• Men and women differ because they face different reproductive costs
• Preferences are about:
  • Genes (health, attractiveness)
  • Resources (money, status)
  • Investment (parenting, loyalty)

Important Caveat (the authors mention this)








This is not the whole story:

• Culture
• Personal values
• Social norms

…all modify these tendencies.














One-line takeaway








Humans don’t just date for attraction—we’re subconsciously optimizing for reproduction, survival, and long-term success.











If you want, I can:

• Break this down into modern dating implications
• Or translate it into practical advice / “what actually matters for attractiveness” today

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

That’s diff though, Hispanics dont hve do deal with much hypergamy within their communities

That’s diff though, Hispanics dont hve do deal with much hypergamy within their communities

A lot of non western cultures lack hypergamy, particularly because of the structures that keep it in check



Religion, politics, family values, etc

 

[NoIamHuman]

The only example I've observed that fits what you're saying is the average mexican couple


like bruh these ugly ass mexican dudes pull htbs and stacies

It’s present in white and black people too

 

[Deleted Member 118204]

The only example I've observed that fits what you're saying is the average mexican couple


like bruh these ugly ass mexican dudes pull htbs and stacies

If you mean the typical Edgar and Latina couple, I think you're overrating the women. But I've seen some chopped Edgars pull hot white girls, whites need to get it together...

 

[lowtiersubhuman]

When there’s plenty of women dealing with men who piss in bottles and can barely hold a job

Like

A literal cheerleader htb popular girl i thinks is talking or trying to get into a talking stage with me rn
Im elated

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf

here u go

chatgpt summary for easier digestion:
Here’s a clear, digestible breakdown of the study “Evolution of Human Mate Choice” by Geary, Vigil, & Byrd-Craven:














Core Idea (in plain English)








The paper argues that human dating preferences aren’t random—they’re shaped by evolution.





At the highest level:

• People choose partners based on reproductive value
• Meaning: Who gives me the best chance of having healthy, successful offspring?

The Big Framework











1.


Sexual selection drives behavior








There are two main forces:

• Competition (usually male vs male)
• Choice (usually female choosing males)

Why?

• Women invest more biologically (pregnancy, childbirth)
• So they’re more selective
• Men can reproduce more easily → more competition

This pattern shows up across most animal species, not just humans














Why Men & Women Differ











Key concept:


Parental Investment

• Women: high cost (pregnancy, risk, time)
• Men: lower cost (can reproduce more often)

Result:

• Women = choosier
• Men = more willing to pursue multiple partners

Women’s Mate Preferences (simplified)











Women generally prioritize:











1.


Resources & Status

• Money, success, ambition
• Why? → Helps raise children

This is one of the most consistent findings across cultures














2.


Willingness to invest

• Kindness, stability, family orientation
• Not just “has resources,” but will he use them for me and kids?

3.


Good genes (physical traits)

• Symmetry
• Masculine features (jaw, cheekbones)
• Health cues

These signal:

• Strong immune system
• Better offspring survival

4.


Protection ability

• Physical strength or dominance
• Ability to defend

Tradeoff women face:

• “Good dad” vs “good genes”

This leads to mixed strategies, like:

• Long-term partner for stability
• Occasional attraction to genetically “high-quality” men

Men’s Mate Preferences (simplified)











Men generally prioritize:











1.


Fertility cues

• Youth
• Physical attractiveness
• Body ratios (e.g., waist-to-hip)

These correlate with:

• Higher reproductive potential

2.


Short-term vs long-term shift

• Short-term: low standards, focus on attractiveness
• Long-term: higher standards (personality, loyalty)

3.


Sexual fidelity

• Extremely important to men (to avoid raising another man’s child)

Biggest Behavioral Difference











Men:

• More interested in casual sex
• More partners on average
• Lower selectiveness short-term

Women:

• More cautious
• Prefer long-term stability

This difference is one of the most robust findings in psychology














Interesting Findings











Attraction shifts across menstrual cycle

• During ovulation:
  • Women prefer more masculine / “genetically strong” men
• 
  
• Other times:
  • Prefer stable, nurturing men

Social context matters








Preferences aren’t fixed:

• If men are scarce → women get pickier, men commit more
• If women are abundant → men pursue more casual strategies

Divorce patterns

• One of the most common causes:
  • Lack of resources (from men)
  • Infidelity

Big Picture Summary








The study argues:

• Human dating behavior is shaped by evolutionary pressures
• Men and women differ because they face different reproductive costs
• Preferences are about:
  • Genes (health, attractiveness)
  • Resources (money, status)
  • Investment (parenting, loyalty)

Important Caveat (the authors mention this)








This is not the whole story:

• Culture
• Personal values
• Social norms

…all modify these tendencies.














One-line takeaway








Humans don’t just date for attraction—we’re subconsciously optimizing for reproduction, survival, and long-term success.











If you want, I can:

• Break this down into modern dating implications
• Or translate it into practical advice / “what actually matters for attractiveness” today

Don’t use ai for this bs waste of water

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

This whole section talked about how men have more specific preferences for women and choose to date younger than themselves even if it’s not related to fertility

 

[benny]

Don’t use ai for this bs waste of water View attachment 331269

hypergamy isn’t always about better looking though

it’s dating up in all ways (status, money, etc)

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

If you mean the typical Edgar and Latina couple, I think you're overrating the women. But I've seen some chopped Edgars pull hot white girls, whites need to get it together...

yh tbh you might be right


I d

Don’t use ai for this bs waste of water View attachment 331269

Searching something on google, sending messages, and using a online service at all uses water as well


Not saying ai doesn't use a lot of water, but it isnt some grand cause

 

[TFC]

It’s present in white and black people too

look there are real hard evidence stats to prove hypergamy, every guy here has hid direct personal evidence of this. saying it doesn't exist is a slap in the face and retarded, pointing out exceptions does not weaken the fact of hypergamy and it certainly doesn't disprove it.

if your a foid try and get a looks match and statistically it will be outrageously easy for you to do.
for a guy it will be extremely hard and if he is average it will be statistically improbable for him to get a average girl

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

hypergamy isn’t always about better looking though

it’s dating up in all ways (status, money, etc)

It’s probably for money or status rarely for looks which is what I see men complain abt the most

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

yh tbh you might be right


I d

Searching something on google, sending messages, and using a online service at all uses water as well


Not saying ai doesn't use a lot of water, but it isnt some grand cause

It uses significantly less water then generative ai and this was an unnecessary generation

 

[benny]

It’s probably for money or status rarely for looks which is what I see men complain abt the most

that’s just cuz too many people attribute their problems to that ngl

 

[NoIamHuman]

look there are real hard evidence stats to prove hypergamy, every guy here has hid direct personal evidence of this. saying it doesn't exist is a slap in the face and retarded, pointing out exceptions does not weaken the fact of hypergamy and it certainly doesn't disprove it.

if your a foid try and get a looks match and statistically it will be outrageously easy for you to do.
for a guy it will be extremely hard and if he is average it will be statistically improbable for him to get a average girl

I never said hypergamy didn’t exist

I was just making a point in the amount of men that complain about it considering the large amount of women that willingly deal with trash tier men

 

[Zeta&clavmogger]

waste of water

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

that’s just cuz too many people attribute their problems to that ngl

Ya that’s what I’m basically saying

 

[NoIamHuman]

You lot completely missed the point in what I was trying to say

 

[chudlite67]

When there’s plenty of women dealing with men who piss in bottles and can barely hold a job

Like

hypergamy is the natural order
men are not entitled to offspring or a wife and they dont like that
so they whine all day long instead of actually becoming a better person

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

View attachment 331276

Unnecessary search = small amount of water waste