How does faith work?

[Tumor]

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms? Does it have any points that we can record? How do we record it or track it down, or do we just leave everything to God? Does doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point? Or does it depend on how severely good or bad the deed is? What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Hypothetical scenarios:

- If someone does something by mistake, whether it be good or bad, does the deed get forgotten or is it added onto their hypothetical diary?

- how much does prayer affect faith? How many points does it give? Does a non religious person's prayer count as much as a religious person's?

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right?

- Does God feel wrath when someone from a wrong religion prays to a different deity and add it to their sins list?

- Why even test us in the first place? What's the point behind all of this? (Off topic Ik, but I wanted to make the post a bit longer)

Tagging religiouscels: @TonyDr @Knight @recai @twinkdestroyer @Jess @BlendedBlade🧿

Tagging agnostics: @over0 @huntergirl @born superior

 

[Deleted Member 84844]

Tumor!!!

 

[rovea]

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms? Does it have any points that we can record? How do we record it or track it down, or do we just leave everything to God? Does doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point? Or does it depend on how severely good or bad the deed is? What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Hypothetical scenarios:

- If someone does something by mistake, whether it be good or bad, does the deed get forgotten or is it added onto their hypothetical diary?

- how much does prayer affect faith? How many points does it give? Does a non religious person's prayer count as much as a religious person's?

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right?

- Does God feel wrath when someone from a wrong religion prays to a different deity and add it to their sins list?

- Why even test us in the first place? What's the point behind all of this? (Off topic Ik, but I wanted to make the post a bit longer)

Tagging religiouscels: @TonyDr @Knight @recai @twinkdestroyer @Jess @BlendedBlade🧿

Tagging agnostics: @over0 @huntergirl @born superior

Good thread , but Idc about religion tbh

 

[Newday]

tl;dr Religious faith is delusion

 

[Tumor]

Tumor!!!

Who's this lol

 

[Tumor]

Good thread , but Idc about religion tbh

Well it will be interesting to hear answers I guess

 

[Born Superior]

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms? Does it have any points that we can record? How do we record it or track it down, or do we just leave everything to God? Does doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point? Or does it depend on how severely good or bad the deed is? What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Hypothetical scenarios:

- If someone does something by mistake, whether it be good or bad, does the deed get forgotten or is it added onto their hypothetical diary?

- how much does prayer affect faith? How many points does it give? Does a non religious person's prayer count as much as a religious person's?

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right?

- Does God feel wrath when someone from a wrong religion prays to a different deity and add it to their sins list?

- Why even test us in the first place? What's the point behind all of this? (Off topic Ik, but I wanted to make the post a bit longer)

Tagging religiouscels: @TonyDr @Knight @recai @twinkdestroyer @Jess @BlendedBlade🧿

Tagging agnostics: @over0 @huntergirl @born superior

I'm atheist so I simply focus on doing good and staying away from the bad

 

[Deleted Member 84844]

I'm atheist so I simply focus on doing good and staying away from the bad

I’m atheist too slay

 

[Tumor]

I'm atheist so I simply focus on doing good and staying away from the bad

I'm agnostic but I don't believe good or bad deeds account for anything anymore

 

[BigDihDiddy]

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms? Does it have any points that we can record? How do we record it or track it down, or do we just leave everything to God? Does doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point? Or does it depend on how severely good or bad the deed is? What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Hypothetical scenarios:

- If someone does something by mistake, whether it be good or bad, does the deed get forgotten or is it added onto their hypothetical diary?

- how much does prayer affect faith? How many points does it give? Does a non religious person's prayer count as much as a religious person's?

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right?

- Does God feel wrath when someone from a wrong religion prays to a different deity and add it to their sins list?

- Why even test us in the first place? What's the point behind all of this? (Off topic Ik, but I wanted to make the post a bit longer)

Tagging religiouscels: @TonyDr @Knight @recai @twinkdestroyer @Jess @BlendedBlade🧿

Tagging agnostics: @over0 @huntergirl @born superior

Shit n***a I mean as long as u accept Jesus and aren’t gay u go to heaven tho no dick up the ass

 

[skinaaltaf]

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms? Does it have any points that we can record? How do we record it or track it down, or do we just leave everything to God? Does doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point? Or does it depend on how severely good or bad the deed is? What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Hypothetical scenarios:

- If someone does something by mistake, whether it be good or bad, does the deed get forgotten or is it added onto their hypothetical diary?

- how much does prayer affect faith? How many points does it give? Does a non religious person's prayer count as much as a religious person's?

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right?

- Does God feel wrath when someone from a wrong religion prays to a different deity and add it to their sins list?

- Why even test us in the first place? What's the point behind all of this? (Off topic Ik, but I wanted to make the post a bit longer)

Tagging religiouscels: @TonyDr @Knight @recai @twinkdestroyer @Jess @BlendedBlade🧿

Tagging agnostics: @over0 @huntergirl @born superior

I'm a Muslim, and I'm sharing these answers based on my understanding of Islam. I'm open to respectful discussion or debate if anyone wants to go deeper into any point.

 

[TonyDr]

Tagging religiouscels: @TonyDr

I'm gonna die in few years and the Lord isn't gonna save me.
He didn't saved my country, he didn't saved my mom.

 

[skinaaltaf]

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms?

Does it have any points that we can record?

Not with numbers, but your actions show your level of faith. Angels record everything you do and intend.

do we just leave everything to God?

No. You have to try your best. God already knows what you'll do, but you still make your own choices.
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The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said:
"Tie your camel first, then trust in Allah."


This means: You should do your part and take practical steps (like tying your camel so it doesn't run away), then trust that God will take care of the rest. You don’t just leave your camel loose and hope for the best. you act responsibly first.


In life, this means: Work hard, make good choices, and then rely on God to help you succeed.

Does doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point?

Kind of. Good deeds are rewarded more than once. Bad deeds count once . and sometimes are forgiven.

What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

The Qur’an says some people will be in between. God will judge them with His mercy and justice.
The Qur’an talks about people who are neither fully good nor fully bad standing on a kind of “border” between Paradise and Hell (Surah Al-A‘rāf 7:46)

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Yes. God knows your choices, but He doesn’t force you. You are still responsible.

 

[skinaaltaf]

- If someone does something by mistake, whether it be good or bad, does the deed get forgotten or is it added onto their hypothetical diary?

If you didn’t mean to do it, it’s not a sin. If you meant to do good but couldn’t, God still rewards you.

- how much does prayer affect faith? How many points does it give? Does a non religious person's prayer count as much as a religious person's?

Prayer keeps faith strong. Without it, your connection to God becomes weak.

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right?

If they pray sincerely, God may listen and guide them. But belief is also important.

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right?

In Islam, prayer is accepted when it’s to the one true God. Sincerity matters, but so does truth.

- Why even test us in the first place? What's the point behind all of this? (Off topic Ik, but I wanted to make the post a bit longer)

To see who will choose good. Life is a test. Heaven is the reward after.

 

[skinaaltaf]

@Tumor anything else?

 

[skinaaltaf]

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms?

Does it have any points that we can record?

Not with numbers, but your actions show your level of faith. Angels record everything you do and intend.

do we just leave everything to God?

No. You have to try your best. God already knows what you'll do, but you still make your own choices.
/
The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ said:
"Tie your camel first, then trust in Allah."


This means: You should do your part and take practical steps (like tying your camel so it doesn't run away), then trust that God will take care of the rest. You don’t just leave your camel loose and hope for the best. you act responsibly first.


In life, this means: Work hard, make good choices, and then rely on God to help you succeed.

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point?

Kind of. Good deeds are rewarded more than once. Bad deeds count once . and sometimes are forgiven.

What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

The Qur’an says some people will be in between. God will judge them with His mercy and justice.
The Qur’an talks about people who are neither fully good nor fully bad standing on a kind of “border” between Paradise and Hell (Surah Al-A‘rāf 7:46)

 

[Tumor]

The Qur’an says some people will be in between. God will judge them with His mercy and justice.
The Qur’an talks about people who are neither fully good nor fully bad standing on a kind of “border” between Paradise and Hell

What happens to those people then?

 

[skinaaltaf]

What happens to those people then?

Those people who stand between Paradise and Hell, often called Ashab al-A‘raf. will wait until God decides their final destination. They’re not fully deserving of either place yet. According to Islamic teachings, God will judge them fairly, based on His perfect knowledge, mercy, and justice. Some may enter Paradise eventually through His mercy, while others might face punishment first.

So, they are in a temporary state, waiting for God’s final decision, which is always just and compassionate.
wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araf_(Islam)

 

[Tumor]

If they pray sincerely, God may listen and guide them. But belief is also important.

So what about sects who believe they are the right religion? Are they wrong in thinking that

Not with numbers, but your actions show your level of faith. Angels record everything you do and intend

Why not just use a mathematical system to record deeds? It would be easier then

The Qur’an says some people will be in between. God will judge them with His mercy and justice.
The Qur’an talks about people who are neither fully good nor fully bad standing on a kind of “border” between Paradise and Hell

That's cryptic as fuck, shouldn't God have given you the answer centuries ago? Why leave it up to speculation?

@Knight tagging you again in case you didn't get the tag

 

[skinaaltaf]

@Tumor I AM HERE .

 

[skinaaltaf]

So what about sects who believe they are the right religion? Are they wrong in thinking that

The Quran says, “Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds, Allah will not allow to be lost the reward of any who did well” (Quran 18:30). Guidance comes from Allah alone (Quran 2:272). The Prophet ﷺ said, “Actions are judged by intentions” (Bukhari & Muslim). So only Allah knows who is truly guided.

Another issue, according to my observation, is that a lot of people have added things to religion that are not entirely correct. They do this and end up misguided (gumrah). For example, some wrong Muslims worship dead people. They believe that some pious Islamic figures died, and now if we ask for a baby at their tomb, they will grant it. This is called shirk (associating partners with God). Every religion has similar practices. For instance, some Hindus drink cow urine and consider it religious.

Why not just use a mathematical system to record deeds? It would be easier then

God judges based on your intention and the quality of your actions, not a simple score.

Allah says, “And whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see it, and whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it” (Quran 99:7-8), but deeds have different weights (Quran 6:160). The Prophet ﷺ said, “The most beloved deeds to Allah are those done consistently, even if small” (Bukhari). So it’s not just counting, but quality and sincerity.

That's cryptic as fuck, shouldn't God have given you the answer centuries ago? Why leave it up to speculation?

Some people’s deeds are balanced. God’s mercy and justice decide their fate. We trust God’s wisdom, even if it’s not fully explained.


The Quran mentions the people of Al-A‘raf who stand between Paradise and Hell (Quran 7:46). Their fate depends on Allah’s mercy and justice. The Prophet ﷺ said, “None of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone” (Bukhari)

 

[Ilya.]

Thread makes no sense beacuse faith isn't united

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

How about instead of asking in a looksmaxing forum you go and ask an actual respected scholar ?

 

[sigmagoy]

D

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms? Does it have any points that we can record? How do we record it or track it down, or do we just leave everything to God? Does doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point? Or does it depend on how severely good or bad the deed is? What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Hypothetical scenarios:

- If someone does something by mistake, whether it be good or bad, does the deed get forgotten or is it added onto their hypothetical diary?

- how much does prayer affect faith? How many points does it give? Does a non religious person's prayer count as much as a religious person's?

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right?

- Does God feel wrath when someone from a wrong religion prays to a different deity and add it to their sins list?

- Why even test us in the first place? What's the point behind all of this? (Off topic Ik, but I wanted to make the post a bit longer)

Tagging religiouscels: @TonyDr @Knight @recai @twinkdestroyer @Jess @BlendedBlade🧿

Tagging agnostics: @over0 @huntergirl @born superior

Depends on the religion

 

[raspadinha]

little bro

 

[Tumor]

How about instead of asking in a looksmaxing forum you go and ask an actual respected scholar ?

I just wanted a discussion, I wouldn't ask a scholar because I wouldn't want my mind changed (I'm firm in what I believe in)

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

I wouldn't want my mind changed

Just fucking jfl

 

[sigmagoy]

How does something like faith work? What are it's mechanisms? Does it have any points that we can record? How do we record it or track it down, or do we just leave everything to God? Does doing one good deed give you one point while doing one bad deed deduct a point? Or does it depend on how severely good or bad the deed is? What if someone is on their death bed and their score of deeds is at a zero? What happens then? Do they go to some purgatory to be judged for a number of years until God decides where they go?

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Hypothetical scenarios:

- If someone does something by mistake, whether it be good or bad, does the deed get forgotten or is it added onto their hypothetical diary? Good counts bad not

- how much does prayer affect faith? How many points does it give? Does a non religious person's prayer count as much as a religious person's? Christianity:50% Islam:100% Judaism:40% . Islam: if it's a supplication yes if it's prayer of worship no, Christianity: no , Judaism: supplication yes, worship no

- Speaking of prayer, whose prayer is more powerful, a catholic's, a protestant's, an orthodox monk's, a shia's or a sunni's? Or are they all equal/pointless if one religion is right? The ones that's correct more than the others

- Does God feel wrath when someone from a wrong religion prays to a different deity and add it to their sins list? Islam,Judaism: yes both towards idolater and the sin, Christianity: loves the idolater but wrath against sin

- Why even test us in the first place? What's the point behind all of this? (Off topic Ik, but I wanted to make the post a bit longer) he made us out of mercy to worship and follow him so the obedient ones get rewarded.

Tagging religiouscels: @TonyDr @Knight @recai @twinkdestroyer @Jess @BlendedBlade🧿

Tagging agnostics: @over0 @huntergirl @born superior

 

[Tumor]

@sigmagoy ?

 

[sigmagoy]

@sigmagoy ?

Open it I wrote anwsers

 

[sigmagoy]

If someone's life is determined to be over by the age of 70, then didn't God already determine both their fate and where they stand in regards to their faith?

Think of it as you have free will to do an action, run 5km let's say, it's like after you run the 5km I write down on paper every single action and detail of how when why and where but for God this has already been all written down

 

[Tumor]

Think of it as you have free will to do an action, run 5km let's say, it's like after you run the 5km I write down on paper every single action and detail of how when why and where but for God this has already been all written down

Yeah but you don't know my results, God is omniscient, he already knows my fate

 

[over0]

See I don't care because I admit there's some things I'll never know but I've already said this before

I don't gain anything from thinking about it on any deep level

 

[sigmagoy]

Yeah but you don't know my results, God is omniscient, he already knows my fate

Yes so what

 

[Tumor]

See I don't care because I admit there's some things I'll never know but I've already said this before

I don't gain anything from thinking about it on any deep level

I only made this out of boredom, faith is a "hope" concept

 

[Tumor]

Yes so what

So that means my fate is pre-determined since he knows my fate and chose to create me

 

[sigmagoy]

So that means my fate is pre-determined since he knows my fate and chose to create me

Yes that's why I find the Christian doctrine to be flawed. God is not all loving, he made you out of mercy giving you life and free will. Any choice you make is an outcome of that will. God did his part at creating you, he doesn't want you in hell of course but that's on you if you end up there.

 

[skinaaltaf]

bro don't want to learn something. so don't need to tell him anything. he will not change his thinking/mind.