How women feel aborting their 9th baby this week

[Blemish]

Maybe dont have sex? You dont need sex to live

That’s an argument against having sex not an argument for why the father should have control over the pregnancy.Even if you think people should avoid sex that doesn’t explain why someone else gets the final say over pregnancy??

 

[Blemish]

Are you serious pal?
Bro I've been studying for a long time I can assure you,just go to a damn university,how do you think those people came to the conclusion that the left is the political party they should chose?

Because theyre smart enough to get into uni,it’s funny because you don’t actually see that many conservatives in universities.Says a lot don’t it?

 

[Angel]

hair biryjdsy

 

[Splankу]

That’s an argument against having sex not an argument for why the father should have control over the pregnancy.Even if you think people should avoid sex that doesn’t explain why someone else gets the final say over pregnancy??

You're doing anything to avoid giving a proper answer to an argument i made
If the man is needed to have a child the man can have a on wether the mother should keep her child or not
We're far too advanced for a mother to die from giving birth there's many ways for her to birth the child without her getting harmed
If she doesnt want the child the father can have it aborting it simply doesnt fix anything if you're gonna whore around and have the same problem over and over again

 

[TonyDr]

abortion should also be allowed in cases where the mother simply doesn’t want a baby I think people underestimate how having a child can ruin someone’s life for both parents

It's allowed everywhere in western countries even if it's illegal it's done anyways.
As long as it's not your girl you should don't gaf.
Even if the kid is wanted & alive, it can ruins both parents life anyways

Normalizing it will only make it worse
in a few years you wont have a say even if you're the father of the child

You already don't have a say about it in most majority of cases. Which is not stop you to dating an other girl matching your values and goals in life yk.

A woman who don't want to be a mom and be forced to be a mom is gonna abuse her kid(s) because they'll be the seen as the reason of her misery.

 

[The Dark Passenger]

Because theyre smart enough to get into uni,it’s funny because you don’t actually see that many conservatives in universities.Says a lot don’t it?

If they become leftists in the University than what does that proves?
There is zero correlation between from the right party and being intelligent,wtf are you talking abt?
They don't go to university already being from the left,they become with the doctrinaton from the teachers.

 

[Splankу]

It's allowed everywhere in western countries even if it's illegal it's done anyways.
As long as it's not your girl you should don't gaf.
Even if the kid is wanted & alive, it can ruins both parents life anyways

You already don't have a say about it in most majority of cases. Which is not stop you to dating an other girl matching your values and goals in life yk.

A woman who don't want to be a mom and be forced to be a mom is gonna abuse her kid(s) because they'll be the seen as the reason of her misery.

Why not give the child to the father if he wants it and she doesnt?

 

[submissivechud]

Thanks pal coming from you,it just makes me remember that I'm in the right direction.

no your point is just logically retarded

 

[chudlite67]

Instead of just closing their legs for a day

actually this is biologically impossible

 

[The Dark Passenger]

no your point is just logically retarded

I won't repeat myself but thank you anyways.

 

[Splankу]

actually this is biologically impossible

wat dat mean mane

 

[chudlite67]

wat dat mean mane

u cant get pregnant 9 times in a week

 

[Splankу]

u cant get pregnant 9 times in a week

Thanks for the addition sistah

 

[Blemish]

You're doing anything to avoid giving a proper answer to an argument i made
If the man is needed to have a child the man can have a on wether the mother should keep her child or not
We're far too advanced for a mother to die from giving birth there's many ways for her to birth the child without her getting harmed
If she doesnt want the child the father can have it aborting it simply doesnt fix anything if you're gonna whore around and have the same problem over and over again

Bro I literally am answering your argument just because a man helped create the baby doesn’t mean he gets control over the woman’s body.He can have an opinion and say he wants about the baby obviously but that doesn’t mean he gets to force her to stay pregnant wtf

“we’re advanced enough that she won’t get hurt” is just not true at fucking all pregnancy and childbirth still have big risks. And like saying “the dad can just take the baby”also doesn’t solve anything because the dad can’t carry the pregnancy for 9 months and give birth for her

 

[TonyDr]

Why not give the child to the father if he wants it and she doesnt?

Complex question.
1/ Because women don't want to carry the offspring and suffering from the carry AND birthing

2/ I rarely saw women giving full custody, they will eventually try to came back into kids life, and also the couple would split and she can't control anymore

 

[plasty]

Why do y’all give a fuck about abortions so much it doesn’t affect y’all in anyways, if my girl wanted an abortion id be supportive because if I put myself in her position I wouldn’t want to be pregnant either

dude you are taking a human life what do you not understand about that?

 

[Splankу]

Bro I literally am answering your argument just because a man helped create the baby doesn’t mean he gets control over the woman’s body.He can have an opinion and say he wants about the baby obviously but that doesn’t mean he gets to force her to stay pregnant wtf

“we’re advanced enough that she won’t get hurt” is just not true at fucking all pregnancy and childbirth still have big risks. And like saying “the dad can just take the baby”also doesn’t solve anything because the dad can’t carry the pregnancy for 9 months and give birth for her

What? Carrying the baby has nothing to do with all of this the man was needed to create the baby so he should have the choice of choosing wether he wants it or not
A woman can have the child even if the man doesnt want it how is that any different from the man wanting the child but the woman wants to abort it?
Plus a c section exists it will most likely be the only way of giving birth in the future too since it doesnt really put anyone at risk

 

[Blemish]

dude you are taking a human life what do you not understand about that?

Can’t even feel anything btw

 

[Splankу]

Can’t even feel anything btw

Irrelevant info
If you can murder anyone that doesn't feel what's happening to them the world would've ended years ago

 

[plasty]

Can’t even feel anything btw

it doesnt matter

dude you must be an iqlet. Is it ok to kill somebody if they go under for surgery just because they are under anasthesia?

no the point is that they will wake up eventually, so no

The baby will most likely "wake up" in however many months

and it will gain consciousness

you are destroying life

 

[plasty]

Irrelevant info
If you can murder anyone that doesn't feel what's happening to them the world would've ended years ago

its fine bro hes a r****d sadly

im getting so tired it is so easy to debunk every pro-choice argument it just gets like repetitive over time

Its like imagine you had to debate with a flat-earther like 3-4x a week mayne

 

[Blemish]

What? Carrying the baby has nothing to do with all of this the man was needed to create the baby so he should have the choice of choosing wether he wants it or not
A woman can have the child even if the man doesnt want it how is that any different from the man wanting the child but the woman wants to abort it?
Plus a c section exists it will most likely be the only way of giving birth in the future too since it doesnt really put anyone at risk

Because those two situations aren’t equal If the father doesn’t want the child but the woman does he’s not being forced to carry a pregnancy he can choose not to be involved after the child is born,but she still has to go through the pregnancy

If the man wants the child but the woman doesn’t,she’s the one who has to stay pregnant for months and give birth can’t just remove that part of the situation because the father wants the baby.

And C-sections aren’t some risk-free shortcut surgerys It’s still major invasive surgery and can have complications that Ive witnessed first hand while working in residency

So yeah the father should be able to say he wants the baby I’m saying he shouldn’t be able to force the woman to stay pregnant just because he wants it

 

[plasty]

Because those two situations aren’t equal If the father doesn’t want the child but the woman does he’s not being forced to carry a pregnancy he can choose not to be involved after the child is born,but she still has to go through the pregnancy

If the man wants the child but the woman doesn’t,she’s the one who has to stay pregnant for months and give birth can’t just remove that part of the situation because the father wants the baby.

And C-sections aren’t some risk-free shortcut surgerys It’s still major invasive surgery and can have complications that Ive witnessed first hand while working in residency

So yeah the father should be able to say he wants the baby I’m saying he shouldn’t be able to force the woman to stay pregnant just because he wants it

there is a single mom. She is taking care of her 1-2yo baby son. She throws it in the dumpster. It dies. The father was missing. Is this empowerment or murder? The baby is technically not fully human yet by the liberal definition because it cant speak or listen or really think at all, and does not have a developed brain.

 

[Splankу]

Because those two situations aren’t equal If the father doesn’t want the child but the woman does he’s not being forced to carry a pregnancy he can choose not to be involved after the child is born,but she still has to go through the pregnancy

If the man wants the child but the woman doesn’t,she’s the one who has to stay pregnant for months and give birth can’t just remove that part of the situation because the father wants the baby.

And C-sections aren’t some risk-free shortcut surgerys It’s still major invasive surgery and can have complications that Ive witnessed first hand while working in residency

So yeah the father should be able to say he wants the baby I’m saying he shouldn’t be able to force the woman to stay pregnant just because he wants it

Is it really tho? If the mother gives birth to the child and the dad doesnt want it he still has to pay child support which needs months of labor to earn the money for
Seems pretty fair to me

 

[plasty]

Because those two situations aren’t equal If the father doesn’t want the child but the woman does he’s not being forced to carry a pregnancy he can choose not to be involved after the child is born,but she still has to go through the pregnancy

If the man wants the child but the woman doesn’t,she’s the one who has to stay pregnant for months and give birth can’t just remove that part of the situation because the father wants the baby.

And C-sections aren’t some risk-free shortcut surgerys It’s still major invasive surgery and can have complications that Ive witnessed first hand while working in residency

So yeah the father should be able to say he wants the baby I’m saying he shouldn’t be able to force the woman to stay pregnant just because he wants it

jfl abortions should be completely illigal unless the baby is stillborn this isnt an issue of fathers vs mothers shit

 

[Blemish]

it doesnt matter

dude you must be an iqlet. Is it ok to kill somebody if they go under for surgery just because they are under anasthesia?

no the point is that they will wake up eventually, so no

The baby will most likely "wake up" in however many months

and it will gain consciousness

you are destroying life

An unconscious person under anaesthesia is already a fully developed person who has previously been conscious. A fetus hasn’t simply “gone unconscious” it’s still developing the capacity for consciousness.

Saying “it’ll be conscious eventually” doesn’t mean it is conscious now just like saying a baby will eventually become an adult doesn’t mean a baby is already an adult.

And saying “you’re destroying life” doesn’t automatically end the argument either.a fetus is biologically alive,obviously the actual question is whether being biologically alive means it has the exact same rights as a born person,including the right to use someone else’s body to survive.

 

[Blemish]

jfl abortions should be completely illigal unless the baby is stillborn this isnt an issue of fathers vs mothers shit

Not even replying to a single argument I made average pro life

 

[plasty]

An unconscious person under anaesthesia is already a fully developed person who has previously been conscious. A fetus hasn’t simply “gone unconscious” it’s still developing the capacity for consciousness.

Saying “it’ll be conscious eventually” doesn’t mean it is conscious now just like saying a baby will eventually become an adult doesn’t mean a baby is already an adult.

And saying “you’re destroying life” doesn’t automatically end the argument either.a fetus is biologically alive,obviously the actual question is whether being biologically alive means it has the exact same rights as a born person,including the right to use someone else’s body to survive.

of course you do.

If a person is extremely likely to gain consciousness isnt that taking away the opportunity that you were allowed to experience?

what happened to equity? equality?

you have birth privilege and they dont...

 

[Blemish]

Is it really tho? If the mother gives birth to the child and the dad doesnt want it he still has to pay child support which needs months of labor to earn the money for
Seems pretty fair to me

That’s not really the same thing though,child support is financial responsibility after the child exists not forcing someone to use their body to keep a pregnancy going

If the mother gives birth and the dad doesn’t want the child,he still has responsibilities because there’s now a child who needs to be supported.But if the mother wants an abortion,there isn’t a child outside the womb that the father is being forced to financially support.

So you’re comparing “you have to contribute money to support your born child”with “you have to remain pregnant and give birth.”Those aren’t very equivalent things and saying one is fair doesn’t automatically prove the other should be forced

 

[plasty]

Not even replying to a single argument I made average pro life

because somebody else on the same side already did r****d would you like me to copy and paste his arguments?

instead I actually made my own sperarte arguments. You have so many i will not take the time out of my day to refute all of them, and I bet you can disprove some yourself by actually taking some time to think...

turn that brain on buddy i believe in you...

 

[Blemish]

of course you do.

If a person is extremely likely to gain consciousness isnt that taking away the opportunity that you were allowed to experience?

what happened to equity? equality?

you have birth privilege and they dont...

“will probably become conscious” as if it means “is already a conscious person,” and that’s the whole thing we’re disagreeing about

A fetus may develop consciousness if the pregnancy continues.But that doesn’t mean ending a pregnancy is the same as taking away an experience from someone who is already experiencing life.There isn’t a conscious person sitting there thinking “I want to be born” and having their experiences taken away

Having quote “birth privilege” doesn’t really prove anything. Being born isn’t some privilege that creates a debt you’re obligated to give to every potential person,equality means treating people equally under the same circumstances it doesn’t mean a person’s body has to be used to give someone else the opportunity to exist

If your argument is that a fetus has the same moral rights as a born person from the moment of conception,that’s a position you can argue for.But you can’t just say “it’ll be conscious eventually”such a shit argument lad

 

[Splankу]

That’s not really the same thing though,child support is financial responsibility after the child exists not forcing someone to use their body to keep a pregnancy going

If the mother gives birth and the dad doesn’t want the child,he still has responsibilities because there’s now a child who needs to be supported.But if the mother wants an abortion,there isn’t a child outside the womb that the father is being forced to financially support.

So you’re comparing “you have to contribute money to support your born child”with “you have to remain pregnant and give birth.”Those aren’t very equivalent things and saying one is fair doesn’t automatically prove the other should be forced

Why is the dad responsible if he wanted the child aborted? See how your arguments make 0 sense
The father should have a say on if the child should be aborted or not he shouldn't be held accountable for something he didnt want

 

[Blemish]

because somebody else on the same side already did r****d would you like me to copy and paste his arguments?

instead I actually made my own sperarte arguments. You have so many i will not take the time out of my day to refute all of them, and I bet you can disprove some yourself by actually taking some time to think...

turn that brain on buddy i believe in you...

You don’t have to refute every single point I made,but then don’t act like you’ve answered the argument when you haven’t You made separate arguments I have responded to them, and now you’re saying I should disprove my own arguments instead of actually defending yours

 

[plasty]

“will probably become conscious” as if it means “is already a conscious person,” and that’s the whole thing we’re disagreeing about

A fetus may develop consciousness if the pregnancy continues.But that doesn’t mean ending a pregnancy is the same as taking away an experience from someone who is already experiencing life.There isn’t a conscious person sitting there thinking “I want to be born” and having their experiences taken away

Having quote “birth privilege” doesn’t really prove anything. Being born isn’t some privilege that creates a debt you’re obligated to give to every potential person,equality means treating people equally under the same circumstances it doesn’t mean a person’s body has to be used to give someone else the opportunity to exist

If your argument is that a fetus has the same moral rights as a born person from the moment of conception,that’s a position you can argue for.But you can’t just say “it’ll be conscious eventually”such a shit argument lad

"may..." it is highly likely.

you are killing something that will become sentient. previous experience does not matter. It is not the same as if you are choosing wether or not to give consciousness. Once you conceive a child you have essentially started the countdown to life. It would be extremely unethical and morally wrong to stop it

do you believe in white privilege perchance?

 

[plasty]

You don’t have to refute every single point I made,but then don’t act like you’ve answered the argument when you haven’t You made separate arguments I have responded to them, and now you’re saying I should disprove my own arguments instead of actually defending yours

im saying you should think for yourself, so I can stop wasting my time arguing with you. I have class in around 5 minutes and would like to be prepared.

in time hopefully you will come to common sense.

 

[Blemish]

Why is the dad responsible if he wanted the child aborted? See how your arguments make 0 sense
The father should have a say on if the child should be aborted or not he shouldn't be held accountable for something he didnt want

You’re mixing up two completely different questions
If a dad doesn’t want the pregnancy to continue,he can absolutely say that and explain why.But that doesn’t mean he gets to force the woman to have an abortion either.If she chooses to continue the pregnancy then there is a child who exists and needs support thats why child support can still apply.

You can’t have it both ways.If your argument is “the dad should have a say,”then define what that means.if you mean he can express his opinion,sure.If you mean he gets to legally force her to abort or continue the pregnancy against her wishes,then you’re arguing that he should have control over the mothers body

“he didn’t want the child” doesn’t make the child financially independent once the child is born the law is concerned with supporting the child,not simply rewarding whichever parent wanted the pregnancy more
So no actually my argument doesn’t make 0 sense yours saying “he should have a say” and also saying “he should have control”which are two completely different things

 

[Blemish]

"may..." it is highly likely.

you are killing something that will become sentient. previous experience does not matter. It is not the same as if you are choosing wether or not to give consciousness. Once you conceive a child you have essentially started the countdown to life. It would be extremely unethical and morally wrong to stop it

do you believe in white privilege perchance?

But you’re still assuming the exact thing you’re supposed to prove

Yes a fetus may very likely become conscious if the pregnancy continues.Nobody is denying that the question is why its FUTURE consciousness automatically gives it the same moral status as someone who is conscious right now

“It’s going to become saint” isn’t the same as “it is saint.” Otherwise you’d have to explain why potential future experiences should have exactly the same moral value as someone’s actual present experiences

And “once you conceive, you’ve started the countdown to life” is just a statement of your moral belief not proof that abortion is objectively unethical

Aif your argument is that stopping something from eventually becoming conscious is automatically morally wrong you’d need to explain why potential consciousness creates an obligation to continue the pregnancy.You can’t just call it killing a person and use that as proof that it’s killing a person

And no I do not believe in white privilege,but thanks for asking that extremely relevant question

 

[Blemish]

im saying you should think for yourself, so I can stop wasting my time arguing with you. I have class in around 5 minutes and would like to be prepared.

in time hopefully you will come to common sense.

Go to class bro,bout time you learn something

 

[Splankу]

You’re mixing up two completely different questions
If a dad doesn’t want the pregnancy to continue,he can absolutely say that and explain why.But that doesn’t mean he gets to force the woman to have an abortion either.If she chooses to continue the pregnancy then there is a child who exists and needs support thats why child support can still apply.

Im literally not? You're saying if the mother wants the child she can have it and the dad is responsible regardless of his opinion
And if the mother doesnt want it the mother can abort it regardless of the fathers opinions on it
You're just saying the woman can do whatever she wants and the dad is responsible for it even tho he contributed to the pregnancy
Answer this question : Why does the woman get the right to abort or keep the child for simply carrying the baby for 9 months if the dad is gonna be responsible for it regardless of wether he wanted the child or not

 

[Blemish]

Im literally not? You're saying if the mother wants the child she can have it and the dad is responsible regardless of his opinion
And if the mother doesnt want it the mother can abort it regardless of the fathers opinions on it
You're just saying the woman can do whatever she wants and the dad is responsible for it even tho he contributed to the pregnancy
Answer this question : Why does the woman get the right to abort or keep the child for simply carrying the baby for 9 months if the dad is gonna be responsible for it regardless of wether he wanted the child or not

Because child support and pregnancy aren’t equivalent.He can have an opinion,but she is the one whose body undergoes the pregnancy and birth.He shouldn’t get to force her to stay pregnant any more than she should get to force him to become a parent.I feel like I’ve repeated myself 100 times

 

[Splankу]

Because child support and pregnancy aren’t equivalent.He can have an opinion,but she is the one whose body undergoes the pregnancy and birth.He shouldn’t get to force her to stay pregnant any more than she should get to force him to become a parent.I feel like I’ve repeated myself 100 times

Okay so why is the dad forced to pay child support? are you genuinely retarded you're just going in circles now

 

[Blemish]

Okay so why is the dad forced to pay child support? are you genuinely retarded you're just going in circles now

because child support is for the child,not the mother.Once the child is born,both parents have a responsibility to support it,can’t believe I have to explain how child support works to you🫩

 

[Splankу]

because child support is for the child,not the mother.Once the child is born,both parents have a responsibility to support it,can’t believe I have to explain how child support works to you🫩

But the father didnt want the child? Can we act like all of these are seperate problems and complicating it more than we should

 

[Blemish]

But the father didnt want the child? Can we act like all of these are seperate problems and complicating it more than we should

Yeah,they are separate problems.If he doesn’t want the child,that’s bad I know but he still can’t force the mother to abort or give birth.And if the child is born,child support is about the child’s needs
But this whole argument is about not having abortions so why is this a topic

 

[Splankу]

Yeah,they are separate problems.If he doesn’t want the child,that’s bad I know but he still can’t force the mother to abort or give birth.And if the child is born,child support is about the child’s needs
But this whole argument is about not having abortions so why is this a topic

All these problems form from the same core
Im done arguing tbh we've been arguing for like an hour and we're just going in circles

 

[Blemish]

All these problems form from the same core
Im done arguing tbh we've been arguing for like an hour and we're just going in circles

Fair enough we clearly disagree on the core issue,so going in circles isn’t gonna change anything,agree to disagree bro

 

[probablybonesmashing]

You know you need a man to create a baby right?

so why doesn't he face the same accountability

 

[Splankу]

so why doesn't he face the same accountability

As if woman face ANY accountability

 

[probablybonesmashing]

As if woman face ANY accountability

abortion is banned in 24 countries worldwide and 13 states have total bans on abortions in the US

as well as the social and cultural stigma surrounding abortion

id say having to carry a fetus for 9 months & sacrificing your time to take care of it is a pretty big responsibility
u think having to take care of a kid isn't "accountability"?

plus it doesn't make sense to raise a kid that u didn't want in the first place
id just feel bad for a kid with parents that didn't want it or were too young to raise it

 

[Splankу]

abortion is banned in 24 countries worldwide and 13 states have total bans on abortions in the US

as well as the social and cultural stigma surrounding abortion

id say having to carry a fetus for 9 months & sacrificing your time to take care of it is a pretty big responsibility
u think having to take care of a kid isn't "accountability"?

plus it doesn't make sense to raise a kid that u didn't want in the first place
id just feel bad for a kid with parents that didn't want it or were too young to raise it

You don’t want a kid don’t have sex
Simple as that