Discussion Humans are god

[Mystericus]

"The man without the mirror will seek his power where he can't see it - unbeknownst the power resides within himself". For the longest time humans have blindly followed omnipresent religious figures; seeking fulfillment for their mysterious existence & comfort for a promised utopian afterlife - born too early to see what we're truly capable of. A species reaching for what they could never have, defying nature & traveling into the vastness of space, exploiting the ground beneath them in ways no-one could ever dream of, controlling their own planet in a way never seen in 3.5 billion years. Doesn't that sound very god-like to you? What does your god have to oppose the greatness found within our own? Mere words, ones written by man himself, ironic. To be human is to dream of the impossible and make it reality, not lay complacent awaiting empty promises spun by your own.

The dream of greatness makes us immortal

 

[quijada]

"The man without the mirror will seek his power where he can't see it - unbeknownst the power resides within himself". For the longest time humans have blindly followed omnipresent religious figures; seeking fulfillment for their mysterious existence & comfort for a promised utopian afterlife - born too early to see what we're truly capable of. A species reaching for what they could never have, defying nature & traveling into the vastness of space, exploiting the ground beneath them in ways no-one could ever dream of, controlling their own planet in a way never seen in 3.5 billion years. Doesn't that sound very god-like to you? What does your god have to oppose the greatness found within our own? Mere words, ones written by man himself, ironic. To be human is to dream of the impossible and make it reality, not lay complacent awaiting empty promises spun by your own.

The dream of greatness makes us immortal

nature is our god. we shouldnt aim to control it. its not our purpose.

urban life is a hell for a reason

 

[citadelcel]

"The man without the mirror will seek his power where he can't see it - unbeknownst the power resides within himself". For the longest time humans have blindly followed omnipresent religious figures; seeking fulfillment for their mysterious existence & comfort for a promised utopian afterlife - born too early to see what we're truly capable of. A species reaching for what they could never have, defying nature & traveling into the vastness of space, exploiting the ground beneath them in ways no-one could ever dream of, controlling their own planet in a way never seen in 3.5 billion years. Doesn't that sound very god-like to you? What does your god have to oppose the greatness found within our own? Mere words, ones written by man himself, ironic. To be human is to dream of the impossible and make it reality, not lay complacent awaiting empty promises spun by your own.

The dream of greatness makes us immortal

icl format it better its kinda hard to read

 

[Mystericus]

nature is our god. we shouldnt aim to control it. its not our purpose.

urban life is a hell for a reason

Nature's a concept created by man. To abide nature is to have no dreams besides the known - what kind of existence is that? We've escaped the grasp of nature and you yearn for it still? Nature is for us to control - not the other way round

I'm sure you'd love being hunted each second of your life & dying from some retarded illness because your tribe doesn't have the collective knowledge of food-safety. Urban life is hell because we've not ventured far enough away from nature

icl format it better its kinda hard to read

You're just dyslexic

 

[junebug]

"The man without the mirror will seek his power where he can't see it - unbeknownst the power resides within himself". For the longest time humans have blindly followed omnipresent religious figures; seeking fulfillment for their mysterious existence & comfort for a promised utopian afterlife - born too early to see what we're truly capable of. A species reaching for what they could never have, defying nature & traveling into the vastness of space, exploiting the ground beneath them in ways no-one could ever dream of, controlling their own planet in a way never seen in 3.5 billion years. Doesn't that sound very god-like to you? What does your god have to oppose the greatness found within our own? Mere words, ones written by man himself, ironic. To be human is to dream of the impossible and make it reality, not lay complacent awaiting empty promises spun by your own.

The dream of greatness makes us immortal

I like this take, but I raise you this as a religious person: being made in His image is the display of the aura of God within us. "The sweat of the Creator staining the fiber of His creation".

 

[quijada]

I'm sure you'd love being hunted each second of your life & dying from some retarded illness because your tribe doesn't have the collective knowledge of food-safety.

we live and die. so be it.

"between men's acts and their ceremonies lies the world and in this world the storms blow and the trees twist in the wind and all the animals that God has made go to and fro yet this world men do not see.

they see the acts of their own hands or they see that which they name and call out to one another but the world between is invisible"

technology is a pitiful imitation of the divine power. chaos will remain inevitable

 

[Hypergamous]

the power to observe at our level of consciousness is what made us create god

 

[quijada]

the power to observe at our level of consciousness is what made us create god

Perhaps god made us reason so that we could know him, however minimally.

 

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[Penalizer69]

The whole point is that we can dream like God's but not create like them.

 

[Mystericus]

being made in His image is the display of the aura of God within us. "The sweat of the Creator staining the fiber of His creation".

Selective attribution; how can the "positive" nature of god seep into his creation while avoiding accountability for the evil & struggles that plague that same creation? If it's the "aura", which I'm assuming is a positive connotation here, that's responsible for the pros, what's the say about the cons? Why wouldn't the same apply for those - making god the corrupter of his own children

we live and die. so be it.

"between men's acts and their ceremonies lies the world and in this world the storms blow and the trees twist in the wind and all the animals that God has made go to and fro yet this world men do not see.

they see the acts of their own hands or they see that which they name and call out to one another but the world between is invisible"

This world is acknowledged and succeeded by man; not ignored.

technology is a pitiful imitation of the divine power

Technology is divine power - it's the collective effort of inconceivable amounts of trial-and-error to birth even the most basic of day-to-day items; chaos is nothing to those who never rest: humans. Wouldn't you say nature is chaos in the first place? We've already proven capable of controlling that chaos, why do you think we're the dominant species?

the power to observe at our level of consciousness is what made us create god

Yeah no shit, i quite literally said this in the first sentence

 

[junebug]

Selective attribution; how can the "positive" nature of god seep into his creation while avoiding accountability for the evil & struggles that plague that same creation? If it's the "aura", which I'm assuming is a positive connotation here, that's responsible for the pros, what's the say about the cons? Why wouldn't the same apply for those - making god the corrupter of his own children


This world is acknowledged and succeeded by man; not ignored.


Technology is divine power - it's the collective effort of inconceivable amounts of trial-and-error to birth even the most basic of day-to-day items; chaos is nothing to those who never rest: humans. Wouldn't you say nature is chaos in the first place? We've already proven capable of controlling that chaos, why do you think we're the dominant species?


Yeah no shit, i quite literally said this in the first sentence

Aura was said in a neutral sense, not positive or negative, if that helps

 

[Mystericus]

Aura was said in a neutral sense, not positive or negative, if that helps

So what's the aura of god to you?

 

[quijada]

Selective attribution; how can the "positive" nature of god seep into his creation while avoiding accountability for the evil & struggles that plague that same creation? If it's the "aura", which I'm assuming is a positive connotation here, that's responsible for the pros, what's the say about the cons? Why wouldn't the same apply for those - making god the corrupter of his own children

But nature is neither positive or negative. It is a system that we live within. We are designed, through evolution, to fulfill the role of strategic, pack hunting hunter gatherers. Im not saying that nature is perfect, I think living within our natural role is the highest POSSIBLE good.

God is not our corrupter. We are simply defying his intent through urban society. And we are punishing ourselves simultaneously. Modern society is hellish. Our situation is our own fault. We attempt to outpace evolution through technology

 

[Hypergamous]

Perhaps god made us reason so that we could know him, however minimally.

you say perhaps because your not certain of yourself, I'm certain god doesn't exist and every homo sapiens that believes in new earth creationism is fucking ignorant for ignoring evolution, biology and natural selection.

 

[quijada]

This world is acknowledged and succeeded by man; not ignored.

Correct. But our best function is ignored.

 

[quijada]

you say perhaps because your not certain of yourself, I'm certain god doesn't exist and every homo sapiens that believes in new earth creationism is fucking ignorant for ignoring evolution, biology and natural selection.

Im not certain. Youre correct. How could I know god to be real. I think he is for a lot of reasons. But in the end he is unfalsifiable. The same goes for atheism. How do you know there is no creator outside of the physical realm? You cant know

Who said i believe in the god of abraham. I believe in god in the sense of an intelligent creator of the universe, which is perfectly logical.

 

[Mystericus]

But nature is neither positive or negative.

It's inherently negative to any intelligent species, why do you think the bulk of human achievements happened post civilization & industrialization?

We are designed, through evolution, to fulfill the role of strategic, pack hunting hunter gatherers. I think living within our natural role is the highest POSSIBLE good.

Evolution's a means to survive & reproduce; that's all its aiming for. We've reached a level were we're capable of dictating our own evolution past senseless biological incentives. That doesn't mean we should aim to disregard any fundamental human traits - its that we should enhance our beneficial traits by the means we posses at any given time. You only think living within our natural role is ideal because you're living in the tipping point of mans future

Correct. But our best function is ignored.

Doing nothing & remaining barbaric?

 

[Hypergamous]

Im not certain. Youre correct. How could I know god to be real. I think he is for a lot of reasons. But in the end he is unfalsifiable. The same goes for atheism. How do you know there is no creator outside of the physical realm? You cant know

Who said i believe in the god of abraham. I believe in god in the sense of an intelligent creator of the universe, which is perfectly logical.

there is no such thing as outside the physical realm? your perceiving the world your mind is creating, when your mind runs out of power you lose consciousness, observation is the only thing creating consciousness, you still believe in something that consciously chose to exist but nothing chose for that being to exist, molecules and vibrations created life on earth through asteroids, life is a result of a chemical process and the only difference between a single celled organism and a human is 3.5 billion years

 

[quijada]

It's inherently negative to any intelligent species, why do you think the bulk of human achievements happened post civilization & industrialization?


Evolution's a means to survive & reproduce; that's all its aiming for. We've reached a level were we're capable of dictating our own evolution past senseless biological incentives. That doesn't mean we should aim to disregard any fundamental human traits - its that we should enhance our beneficial traits by the means we posses at any given time. You only think living within our natural role is ideal because you're living in the tipping point of mans future


Doing nothing & remaining barbaric?

Mental health is still relevant to evolution. A sad human does little. When dejected he might be weaker, less alert, less likely to reproduce. Happiness is very much a factor in evolution, because happiness is important to survival

 

[Mystericus]

Mental health is still relevant to evolution. A sad human does little. When dejected he might be weaker, less alert, less likely to reproduce. Happiness is very much a factor in evolution, because happiness is important to survival

Mental health's only affected by these things because it's necessary for reproduction. Same reason why sex feels good

it's not some independent aspect of evolution; just a byproduct of intelligence & nature's only goal: survival

 

[quijada]

there is no such thing as outside the physical realm? your perceiving the world your mind is creating, when your mind runs out of power you lose consciousness, observation is the only thing creating consciousness, you still believe in something that consciously chose to exist but nothing chose for that being to exist, molecules and vibrations created life on earth through asteroids, life is a result of a chemical process and the only difference between a single celled organism and a human is 3.5 billion years

metaphysics are very much real.

this relates to kants idea of the noumenal and phenomenal. The noumenal is the true, unknowable realm of data. The phenomenal is what we experience, as processed through the senses.

heres an example. prisoners are locked in a cave. shadows flicker on the cave wall. The prisoners can examine these shadows and understand them wel, but they are only representations of a deeper reality.

the noumenal remains real though it cannot ever be observed

 

[junebug]

So what's the aura of god to you?

Good question, I'll have to think on that

 

[Evilthinker21]

Spinning apples holy iq

 

[quijada]

Spinning apples holy iq

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