I believe women are suffering in this dating market just as much as men

[johnfkennedy]

Foids do not reply with anecdotal evidence bruh

the previous logic structure was that (ratings)

forgive the shitty crop
it’s a very simple graph but a lot of BPs believe this structure, or at least that the women intend on this but cannot attract a 10 themselves and so they don’t date anybody—

But lowkey I’ve been looking at a lot of small pieces here and there that seem to point to the fact that women are starving in the dating market too—(imo likely because of a previous upward bias in looks) that has just heavily snowballed along with some idealism into men not approaching any women-even chads/10s seem to hardly approach women themselves, and MANY of these are for hookups. Organic dating still exists but is very undesirable due to FOMO from beauty standards skyrocketing from the internet.

Anyways to sum it up obviously the amt of men single roughly corresponds to the amt of women single, and it’s becoming an increasing statistic of those singles who do not want to engage in relationships b/c of the stigma being generated with trying to start one.

What do y’all think? Haven’t so many women submitted themselves to a life of loneliness as a byproduct of beauty culture just as men have?

 

[vespertine]

fire my writing n‎igga.

 

[kkkardash]

Dee en arrr

 

[Transposon]

Indeed. This is a comment I have made several times and is seldom given enough attention. I believe we had a conversation about said topic in one of my initial threads.. Human dating behavior is hardly amenable to ready generalization (this pill or that pill). See, if you are a woman getting an ONS is no biggie at all. But there's this saying which goes something along the lines of 'Having too many options is indeed a problem in itself'. For females I believe, the problem becomes rooting out the bad partners from the large swaths they are offered. Being picky to an extent, most males would be too shocked to understand. In short when there are too many options then the next step becomes picking the best out of all of them. But the best may hardly ever be loyal to say the least. I do not think these women are 'struggling' like the incels struggle. They are simply temporarily opting out and can in reality get laid any time of the day. Think of it this way, if it was a large problem why is there no incel adjacent group for females? Well, there never will be, because we are all locked into the system of our biology.

 

[vespertine]

Indeed. This is a comment I have made several times and is seldom given enough attention. I believe we had a conversation about said topic in one of my initial threads.. Human dating behavior is hardly amenable to ready generalization (this pill or that pill). See, if you are a woman getting an ONS is no biggie at all. But there's this saying which goes something along the lines of 'Having too many options is indeed a problem in itself'. For females I believe, the problem becomes rooting out the right partner for the large swaths they are offered. Being picky to an extent most males would be too shocked too understand. In short when there are too many options then the next step becomes picking the best out of all of them. But the best may hardly ever be loyal to say the least. In short I do not think these women are 'struggling' like the incels struggle. They are simply temporarily opting out and can get laid any time of the day. Think of it this way, if it was a large problem why is there no incel adjacent group for females? Well, there never will be, because we are all locked into the system of our biology.

hypergamy is a thing but there are some very chopped women out there who don't have a lot of options. more than their looksmatch, but not many

 

[Transposon]

hypergamy is a thing but there are some very chopped women out there who don't have a lot of options. more than their looksmatch, but not many

So sad that they do not have a lot of options. Well life goes on. The average MTB still has more SMV than a HHTN lol.

 

[Randomized Shame]

I'm not sure I would say they're starving, but...

The Internet (trillions of content of pretty people), dating app culture (makes people more picky because more options ), hookup culture (prioritizing sex over intimate connections), individualism culture (just do whatever you want), no commitment (refusal to get married), lack of money (not able to go on dates) and a million other reasons contribute to a shitty dating market, and it effects everyone regardless of their gender. It just effects them differently.

 

[Transposon]

What do y’all think? Haven’t so many women submitted themselves to a life of loneliness as a byproduct of beauty culture just as men have?

Off topic to this thread, but I think there should be a period in everyone's life where they opt out of the dating market for a short time to get their goals in life clarified. Just take an ascetic-like rest to re-evaluate your needs in life. What do you think mr. Kennedy?

 

[adore]

Men are incompetent now as well

 

[beautyiseverything]

Holy white knight ahh post. Dnr

 

[johnfkennedy]

Indeed. This is a comment I have made several times and is seldom given enough attention. I believe we had a conversation about said topic in one of my initial threads.. Human dating behavior is hardly amenable to ready generalization (this pill or that pill). See, if you are a woman getting an ONS is no biggie at all. But there's this saying which goes something along the lines of 'Having too many options is indeed a problem in itself'. For females I believe, the problem becomes rooting out the bad partners from the large swaths they are offered. Being picky to an extent, most males would be too shocked to understand. In short when there are too many options then the next step becomes picking the best out of all of them. But the best may hardly ever be loyal to say the least. I do not think these women are 'struggling' like the incels struggle. They are simply temporarily opting out and can in reality get laid any time of the day. Think of it this way, if it was a large problem why is there no incel adjacent group for females? Well, there never will be, because we are all locked into the system of our biology.

I would disagree on the latter part. Firstly getting laid solves a lot less problems than it is idealized to, and maybe even less for women due to the biological components of love for them. They COULD possibly get laid easier than men via losers on dating apps, but I am trying to propose that it might be equally as difficult for women as for men to find suitable / high quality partners

 

[Deleted Member 81107]

“Saar women are struggling too”

 

[Transposon]

but I am trying to propose that it might be equally as difficult for women as for men to find suitable / high quality partners

This was exactly the premise of my reply. Although the major point of contention would be you using the word 'equally'. The difference is literally like a hydrogen bomb versus a coughing baby. They still have more options so just looking at it from a mathematical lens have more 'choice power'

 

[johnfkennedy]

Off topic to this thread, but I think there should be a period in everyone's life where they opt out of the dating market for a short time to get their goals in life clarified. Just take an ascetic-like rest to re-evaluate your needs in life. What do you think mr. Kennedy?

I think there’s definitely multiple rites of passage that bring people back to reality, (like breaking virginity) and those definitely mature people. If you aren’t able to have a proper healthy relationship during growth phases of your life you definitely shouldn’t constantly strive for it because as you said it will just derail the fuck out of your plans

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

n***a using Facebook

 

[fashist]

This was exactly the premise of my reply. Although the major point of contention would be you using the word 'equally'. The difference is literally like a hydrogen bomb versus a coughing baby. They still have more options so just looking at it from a mathematical lens have more 'choice power'

 

[johnfkennedy]

This was exactly the premise of my reply. Although the major point of contention would be you using the word 'equally'. The difference is literally like a hydrogen bomb versus a coughing baby. They still have more options so just looking at it from a mathematical lens have more 'choice power'

i really don’t think it’s so extreme though. An equally sociable male and female with similar daily routines should have the same amt of potential partners available to them. Men are just far less sociable, and both sexes are much less likely to take risks to form a relationship due to modern culture

 

[Transposon]

i really don’t think it’s so extreme though. An equally sociable male and female with similar daily routines should have the same amt of potential partners available to them. Men are just far less sociable, and both sexes are much less likely to take risks to form a relationship due to modern culture

Absolutely disagree. I think/know the opposite is true. It's one of the few tenants of BP I am 100% with. Ask any female for that matter for a grounded look at this issue @foidletlexi

 

[height]

You‘re clueless. Women get asked out all the time

 

[dipenhydramine]

everything and everyone is suffering doe

 

[fashist]

Absolutely disagree. I think/know the opposite is true. It's one of the few tenants of BP I am 100% with. Ask any female for that matter for a grounded look at this issue @foidletlexi

true, females have triple the amount of smv their male looksmatch would have in comparison

in my experience women will always rely on the man to make the first move, which is probably why this decline in proper relationships is happening
literally a lack of confidence
just be confident bro

 

[Transposon]

You‘re clueless. Women get asked out all the time

women get asked out for being autistic. Mind you it never began with you if you're even 5% autistic as a male. Men as a whole have fetishized women to an extent where they find even negatives attractive. HypergamyPill is true..

 

[johnfkennedy]

Absolutely disagree. I think/know the opposite is true. It's one of the few tenants of BP I am 100% with. Ask any female for that matter for a grounded look at this issue @foidletlexi

-> if a male and a female have highly similar routines
-> they encounter the same amt of people
-> if they are similarly sociable they will interact with the same amt of people
-> the more people they interact with the more potential partners they encounter

the only split is when both of the sexes like to settle into their traditional courting roles and more pressure is put on men to do some action


I would literally call all the dating-app relationships false leads if you are in a highly sociable environment (i.e. college or hs) for both sexes. It’s like a 1% chance it leads to a high quality relationship and there’s way too much effort to be poured in constantly to try to find that. Perhaps 1-5% of the female population in college are consistently on dating apps, maybe double that for men, yet surely all the others aren’t taken / not looking for a relationship?

 

[Transposon]

true, females have triple the amount of smv their male looksmatch would have in comparison

in my experience women will always rely on the man to make the first move, which is probably why this decline in proper relationships is happening
literally a lack on confidence
just be confident bro

Yeah thanks, and building up on your point, that's exactly the pill I swallowed when I snatched you away from dandy. (Winks)

 

[height]

i really don’t think it’s so extreme though. An equally sociable male and female with similar daily routines should have the same amt of potential partners available to them. Men are just far less sociable, and both sexes are much less likely to take risks to form a relationship due to modern culture

Thats because you have zero awareness. Most men chase women like desperate dogs. If anything the opposite is the case since now theyre also doing it on social media.

 

[johnfkennedy]

women get asked out for being autistic. Mind you it never began with you if you're even 5% autistic as a male. Men as a whole have fetishized women to an extent where they find even negatives attractive. HypergamyPill is true..

You‘re clueless. Women get asked out all the time

call me stupid but unless lesbianism has spiked extremely wouldn’t women being asked out entail a potential partner for both the man and the woman involved?

I feel like the majority of this incel / pill culture or whatever lies on not understanding how the individual interprets societal pressures for their respective traditional role. The perceived SMV increase (that largely only applies to women above the average) should have a corresponding component/series of components that could make a male equally as attractive or we would be seeing a massive drop in relationships? It’s a market economy that tries constantly to stabilize itself via “lowering standards” or

 

[johnfkennedy]

Thats because you have zero awareness. Most men chase women like desperate dogs. If anything the opposite is the case since now theyre also doing it on social media.

you cannot seriously look at me and tell the majority of men spend their time hunting for sex like animals? I will acknowledge that sex appeal it is a heavy subconscious matter and a significant subset of men actively pursue women but it’s against our mammilian instincts to constantly expend energy with zero results

 

[height]

call me stupid but unless lesbianism has spiked extremely wouldn’t women being asked out entail a potential partner for both the man and the woman involved?

I feel like the majority of this incel / pill culture or whatever lies on not understanding how the individual interprets societal pressures for their respective traditional role. The perceived SMV increase (that largely only applies to women above the average) should have a corresponding component/series of components that could make a male equally as attractive or we would be seeing a massive drop in relationships? It’s a market economy that tries constantly to stabilize itself via “lowering standards” or

Yes exactly thats why women have it much easier. They just have to say yes to one of the countless approaches they get.

 

[height]

you cannot seriously look at me and tell the majority of men spend their time hunting for sex like animals? I will acknowledge that sex appeal it is a heavy subconscious matter and a significant subset of men actively pursue women but it’s against our mammilian instincts to constantly expend energy with zero results

Thats exactly what they do

 

[Transposon]

you cannot seriously look at me and tell the majority of men spend their time hunting for sex like animals? I will acknowledge that sex appeal it is a heavy subconscious matter and a significant subset of men actively pursue women but it’s against our mammilian instincts to constantly expend energy with zero results

You're using jargon to overcomplicate it. We are not hunter gatherers anymore, we are not obliged to look at this from a calorific view. The process of a male desperately sexting a female does not expend the calories equivalent of running a marathon. The man still is 'desperate', that's much more of a 'biological truth' than whatever your reply tried to convey.

 

[TonyDr]

Haven’t so many women submitted themselves to a life of loneliness as a byproduct of beauty culture just as men have?

Nah imo.
Women stay "single" because they didn't meet the standards of the guys they genuinely want, and also want that top man to be an absolute doormat with zero boundaries & expectations in a LTR.

And they doesn't want to lower their standards, sometimes it's worse with online gaslighting & copium amounts.

They aren't really "single". Bodycount is a bit too high to call themselves single.

They doesn't struggle with dating tho. Most men are desesperate (on dating apps for example). They're just numb to the average joe and expect some Handsome n***a accepting them with all their flaws.

That's why you see now ~40yo women settledown and rush a baby and a marriage with a guy they genuinely don't like

 

[Transposon]

I would literally call all the dating-app relationships false leads if you are in a highly sociable environment (i.e. college or hs) for both sexes. It’s like a 1% chance it leads to a high quality relationship and there’s way too much effort to be poured in constantly to try to find that. Perhaps 1-5% of the female population in college are consistently on dating apps, maybe double that for men, yet surely all the others aren’t taken / not looking for a relationship?

This is completely irrelevant to the fact of women having higher SMV than men.

 

[Transposon]

call me stupid but unless lesbianism has spiked extremely wouldn’t women being asked out entail a potential partner for both the man and the woman involved?

I feel like the majority of this incel / pill culture or whatever lies on not understanding how the individual interprets societal pressures for their respective traditional role. The perceived SMV increase (that largely only applies to women above the average) should have a corresponding component/series of components that could make a male equally as attractive or we would be seeing a massive drop in relationships? It’s a market economy that tries constantly to stabilize itself via “lowering standards” or

Hard time understanding this

 

[johnfkennedy]

Yes exactly thats why women have it much easier. They just have to say yes to one of the countless approaches they get.

it’s just the natural dynamic. Women carry a biological risk to having children so they are cautious about choosing a partner. See: literally almost every animal’s courting behaviors.
You envy that position because of your own role. The available partners are rarely high quality

 

[lostinjerusalem]

Holy white knight ahh post. Dnr

yeah, make it about a man and you won't be a white knight. you'll just be gay