I doubt my faith often

[Deleted Member 49073]

I'm catholic and have been raised in the Catholic Church my whole life.
However, I can see the flaws in religion, on how it can be seen as a social construct created by humans to fulfil their nature.
It's an attempt to formulate explanations for concepts we're yet to understand.
It's sad really, I can also see how many children only have faith due to reinforcement and conformity.
I want to keep faith, but it's a lousy excuse to understand the universe and life itself.

 

[Currycelloser]

I'm catholic and have been raised in the Catholic Church my whole life.
However, I can see the flaws in religion, on how it can be seen as a social construct created by humans to fulfil their nature.
It's an attempt to formulate explanations for concepts we're yet to understand.
It's sad really, I can also see how many children only have faith due to reinforcement and conformity.
I want to keep faith, but it's a lousy excuse to understand the universe and life itself.

True, that is why I am agnostic

 

[N30N]

I've doubted my faith in the past too, and sometimes for the same reasons as you. It comes down to what it is: faith. At the end of the day, what brings me comfort is a belief, even though I could be wrong about it, at least I have it. And to me, it's done great for my life. I'd still strongly recommend keeping your faith, I'm always open to chat.

 

[snufkin]

A real Christian doesn't exist in the west anymore, none believe like they're meant to.

 

[N30N]

A real Christian doesn't exist in the west anymore, none believe like they're meant to.

It's practically true.

 

[lowkeydeadinside]

I'm catholic and have been raised in the Catholic Church my whole life.
However, I can see the flaws in religion, on how it can be seen as a social construct created by humans to fulfil their nature.
It's an attempt to formulate explanations for concepts we're yet to understand.
It's sad really, I can also see how many children only have faith due to reinforcement and conformity.
I want to keep faith, but it's a lousy excuse to understand the universe and life itself.

how do u feel ab the pope accepting lgbt?

 

[N30N]

how do u feel ab the pope accepting lgbt?

The pope is forced to conform to the narrative of the jews. I can't really trust his corruption.

 

[snufkin]

It's practically true.

What is ?

 

[N30N]

What is ?

That there's basically no real Christians left in the west.

 

[James Othy]

I'm catholic and have been raised in the Catholic Church my whole life.
However, I can see the flaws in religion, on how it can be seen as a social construct created by humans to fulfil their nature.
It's an attempt to formulate explanations for concepts we're yet to understand.
It's sad really, I can also see how many children only have faith due to reinforcement and conformity.
I want to keep faith, but it's a lousy excuse to understand the universe and life itself.

Forget religion. First figure out whether it's more logical that God exists or more logical that He doesn't. If you feel that it's more logical that He does then the next most logical thing would be for you to find out who He is and what He wants from you. Then call out to Him and ask Him to show you. If He exists then He'll surely hear you. He will have known that you'll call out to him at the very second you ended up doing so before he created the universe.

 

[BimaxLaser]

Forget religion. First figure out whether it's more logical that God exists or more logical that He doesn't. If you feel that it's more logical that He does then the next most logical thing would be for you to find out who He is and what He wants from you. Then call out to Him and ask Him to show you. If He exists then He'll surely hear you. He will have known that you'll call out to him at the very second you ended up doing so before he created the universe.

Jfl if you think kids who were raised with religion never called out to God before in prayer

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

how do u feel ab the pope accepting lgbt?

It’s woke bullshit, I’m alright with lgbt, but they have no place in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis only accepts them so that the church isn’t seen as “extremists” in the western media.

 

[James Othy]

Jfl if you think kids who were raised with religion never called out to God before in prayer

Called out for what though? Called out to know who God is and what He wants from them? Or called out for Him to make them better at following some man made religion and to let them feel something profound while doing so?



God wants to be sought.

 

[N30N]

It’s woke bullshit, I’m alright with lgbt, but they have no place in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis only accepts them so that the church isn’t seen as “extremists” in the western media.

He accepted them because the jews make him perpetuate the destructive messages they want.

 

[James Othy]

It’s woke bullshit, I’m alright with lgbt, but they have no place in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis only accepts them so that the church isn’t seen as “extremists” in the western media.

Does the Pope answer to God, or to this world?

Jesus said not to think he came to bing peace to this world, but a sword. Meaning division.

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

why did u believe in the first place?

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

Jesus said not to think he came to bing peace to this world, but a sword. Meaning division.

yes division between belief

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

why did u believe in the first place?

Conformity forced upon me, it's hard to deny faith when you're like 8 years old.
And now I believe that if I don't believe I will burn, but I still see that religion is just cheap answers to the unknown.
I don't want to be led purely by fear and blind faith.

 

[BodieDysmorphia]

I'm catholic and have been raised in the Catholic Church my whole life.
However, I can see the flaws in religion, on how it can be seen as a social construct created by humans to fulfil their nature.
It's an attempt to formulate explanations for concepts we're yet to understand.
It's sad really, I can also see how many children only have faith due to reinforcement and conformity.
I want to keep faith, but it's a lousy excuse to understand the universe and life itself.

I am going through the exact same thing, brother.

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

I am going through the exact same thing, brother.

I need a sign, I cannot just be led on pure belief.

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

Conformity forced upon me, it's hard to deny faith when you're like 8 years old.
And now I believe that if I don't believe I will burn,

If you actually believed youd burn without belief then you wouldnt be questioning it.

but I still see that religion is just cheap answers to the unknown.

doesnt really apply to christianity

I don't want to be led purely by fear and blind faith.

then dont be. stop making up excuses nobodys forcing blind faith on you except yourself

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

If you actually believed youd burn without belief then you wouldnt be questioning it.

It's indoctrination, it's hard to break what you've been learning from childhood.

doesnt really apply to christianity

Why not? It's a religion, trying to provide an answer for the absurdities of the universe.

then dont be. stop making up excuses nobodys forcing blind faith on you except yourself

It's hard to be different from your environment; everyone I know is religious and would look at me differently, especially older folk.

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

It's indoctrination, it's hard to break what you've been learning from childhood.

thats just an excuse youre grown enough to question it and youre grown enough to break it

Why not? It's a religion, trying to provide an answer for the absurdities of the universe.

give an example? like where is it about answering unanswered questions? its funny how youre criticizing Christian indoctrination while spewing athiestic doctrine

It's hard to be different from your environment; everyone I know is religious and would look at me differently, especially older folk.

so you dont actually believe? I get it every atheistic convert has this exact phase, "escaping the shackles of religion" meanwhile they blindly repeat atheistic dogma thats everywhere

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

thats just an excuse youre grown enough to question it and youre grown enough to break it

I guess that's fair, but it is still pretty hard to go against everything you've been brought up on.

give an example? like where is it about answering unanswered questions? its funny how youre criticizing Christian indoctrination while spewing athiestic doctrine

Well, for example, what happens after death. I've never said I believe in any atheistic views of the matter, but as Christians, we should believe either worship our God or suffer. Is that a kind, loving God? I don't know what to believe on that topic, maybe it's best to not have an explanation.

so you dont actually believe? I get it every atheistic convert has this exact phase, "escaping the shackles of religion" meanwhile they blindly repeat atheistic dogma thats everywhere

I'd bet you 90% of Christians in contemporary society are lukewarm, only being led by external influences. "My parents believe this, so I should as well."

I still wish to be open to the idea of theology, but there are so many grey areas. Like how religion has negatively impacted science and hindered humanitys development.

 

[ey88]

If you actually believed youd burn without belief then you wouldnt be questioning it.

fr

he is just scared to go to hell because he is brainwashed

@GreatMurderDestructionOverlord are u still christian?

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

fr

he is just scared to go to hell because he is brainwashed

@GreatMurderDestructionOverlord are u still christian?

ive never been christian

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

ive never been christian

Oh, I thought you were catholic.

 

[ey88]

ive never been christian

are u still whatever u were

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

I guess that's fair, but it is still pretty hard to go against everything you've been brought up on.

youre legit doing it rn

Well, for example, what happens after death. I've never said I believe in any atheistic views of the matter, but as Christians, we should believe either worship our God or suffer. Is that a kind, loving God? I don't know what to believe on that topic, maybe it's best to not have an explanation.

youre talking about a shallow stereotype belief in Jesus isnt "worship or else"

I'd bet you 90% of Christians in contemporary society are lukewarm, only being led by external influences. "My parents believe this, so I should as well."

water? and why do you think that is exactly? do you think you came up with your own religious critique? you think its original or is it perhaps another doctrine?

I still wish to be open to the idea of theology, but there are so many grey areas. Like how religion has negatively impacted science and hindered humanitys development.

and is that the religion or the practitioners who did this?

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

are u still whatever u were

yes

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

Oh, I thought you were catholic.

nah, catholicism is just dumb imo and contradicts Jesus

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

youre legit doing it rn

I'm not completely renouncing my faith, only critiquing it, or examining the flaws.

youre talking about a shallow stereotype belief in Jesus isnt "worship or else"

How so? If you don't have a relationship with God, you aren't welcome in his home."Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." John 3:3. You need to be born again (baptised) to enter the kingdom of God. It's not a shallow sterotype if it's written in scripture.

water? and why do you think that is exactly? do you think you came up with your own religious critique? you think its original or is it perhaps another doctrine?

Obviously, these critiques aren't original, I have been influenced by atheistic doctrine, but it makes sense. Human instinct is to follow the group, as it's the greatest chance of connection and survival.

and is that the religion or the practitioners who did this?

Fair point, but we can see as society becomes more secular, scientific discovery has improved. Religion indirectly stunted science.

This graph is mostly bullshit, but it gives a fair idea.

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

I'm not completely renouncing my faith, only critiquing it, or examining the flaws.

but what flaws exactly?

How so? If you don't have a relationship with God, you aren't welcome in his home."Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." John 3:3. You need to be born again (baptised) to enter the kingdom of God. It's not a shallow sterotype if it's written in scripture.

yes but thats under the assumption that the Holt Spirit leads the individual to Christ its an invitation not a threat to conform

Obviously, these critiques aren't original, I have been influenced by atheistic doctrine, but it makes sense. Human instinct is to follow the group, as it's the greatest chance of connection and survival.

exactly youre just following another crowd, like you did previously with catholosicm

Fair point, but we can see as society becomes more secular, scientific discovery has improved. Religion indirectly stunted science.

This graph is mostly bullshit, but it gives a fair idea.

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christianity never stunted science politics did. dont you think what has boosted science is access to more knowledge and freedom?

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

but what flaws exactly?

Unbacked answers to the absurd and unexplained ie afterlife and such.

yes but thats under the assumption that the Holt Spirit leads the individual to Christ its an invitation not a threat to conform

Yes, it's an invitation which if you don't take, you burn.

exactly youre just following another crowd, like you did previously with catholosicm

I'm just saying what makes sense to me at the moment, I'm not following anything. I'm between beliefs, I'm a sceptic.

christianity never stunted science politics did. dont you think what has boosted science is access to more knowledge and freedom?

And back then, church and state were mainly one. Church was state and government.
The church was even viewed above the state in some places.

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

Unbacked answers to the absurd and unexplained ie afterlife and such.

okay so it answers what comes after the afterlife, something that cant be proved or disproved. thats your flaw? how do you explain all the prophecies that have come true since the creation of the Bible?I mean what do you think the chances are the 2000+ prophecies would come true?

Yes, it's an invitation which if you don't take, you burn.

its not about taking the invitation, there's a reason the only unforgivable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit = to deny God despite knowing hes real

I'm just saying what makes sense to me at the moment, I'm not following anything. I'm between beliefs, I'm a sceptic.

wtv ive been there done that

And back then, church and state were mainly one. Church was state and government.
The church was even viewed above the state in some places.

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yea the church had political power which is the problem. not faith

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

okay so it answers what comes after the afterlife, something that cant be proved or disproved. thats your flaw? how do you explain all the prophecies that have come true since the creation of the Bible?I mean what do you think the chances are the 2000+ prophecies would come true?

its not about taking the invitation, there's a reason the only unforgivable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit = to deny God despite knowing hes real

wtv ive been there done that

yea the church had political power which is the problem. not faith

Ok, I'm too tired now to reply, you make good points but there's just so much we don't know, so much that can be debunked and so much that can be proven. It's very hard to know what's right and hopefully one day I find a true meaning and belief. Thanks.

 

[Deleted Member 60079]

Ok, I'm too tired now to reply, you make good points but there's just so much we don't know, so much that can be debunked and so much that can be proven. It's very hard to know what's right and hopefully one day I find a true meaning and belief. Thanks.

yea yea ive been there, im calling u will come back once youve been atheist for a few years