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i hate free will

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i just want to live in the truman show but like instead of truman show its hannah show and i dont have to think for myself and i dont have to make choices and i dont have to be responsible for anything i do and accountability doesnt exist and i can just follow the script and dance around and be happy
 
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i just want to live in the truman show but like instead of truman show its hannah show and i dont have to think for myself and i dont have to make choices and i dont have to be responsible for anything i do and accountability doesnt exist and i can just follow the script and dance around and be happy
its givging lalalaslaslala @huntergirl
 
but like instead of truman show its the hannah show
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hpw would i do that
  1. Grow into a deep-seated religious psychosis and believe that your whole being is orchestrated by some divine being.
  2. Move into some sort of community with strict rules (military, etc).
  3. My personal favourite. Realise that everything you do is influenced by something and/or will influence something. So, in truth, everything you do is predetermined by everything that has happened and everything to happen.
 
  1. My personal favourite. Realise that everything you do is influenced by something and/or will influence something. So, in truth, everything you do is predetermined by everything that has happened and everything to happen.
determinism vs free will debate
 
  1. Grow into a deep-seated religious psychosis and believe that your whole being is orchestrated by some divine being.
  2. Move into some sort of community with strict rules (military, etc).
  3. My personal favourite. Realise that everything you do is influenced by something and/or will influence something. So, in truth, everything you do is predetermined by everything that has happened and everything to happen.
the reason i told you i wanted to join the army a while back was legitimately because i wanted my life to be in the hands of the government. like i said, i couldnt care less about patriotism. the people yearn for totalitarianism, just embed a chip in my brain. give me all the chips
 
i just want to live in the truman show but like instead of truman show its hannah show and i dont have to think for myself and i dont have to make choices and i dont have to be responsible for anything i do and accountability doesnt exist and i can just follow the script and dance around and be happy
Mankind is condemned to be free
 
determinism vs free will debate
Both sides are true, they're contingent on eachother. One is disproven, both are disproven.

the reason i told you i wanted to join the army a while back was legitimately because i wanted my life to be in the hands of the government. like i said, i couldnt care less about patriotism. the people yearn for totalitarianism, just embed a chip in my brain. give me all the chips
I think the whole point of human experience is to experience, which generally comes with freedom. A yearn for submission seems a lil... strange. :nopers:
 
A yearn for submission seems a lil... strange. :nopers:
it can be natural at times. just a sign of hopelessness and giving up. maybe being overwhelmed with life and its choices, especially being a teenager. some people's reaction is to avoid
 
it can be natural at times. just a sign of hopelessness and giving up. maybe being overwhelmed with life and its choices, especially being a teenager. some people's reaction is to avoid
Maybe. I'd always find the idea of being a nomad more comforting. The ability to go wherever, whenever I want. Living autonomically is ideal to me, but it's very unlikely in a world looking to control you.
 
I think the whole point of human experience is experience, which generally comes with freedom. A yearn for submission seems a lil... strange. :nopers:
well, dont make it weird now... gosh forbid a girl craves a sense of structure and control
 
Submission doesn't always allude to sexual shit. It just means being governed by something other than yourself.
i know, weird=synonym for strange. im saying a yearn for submission isnt strange, is it not human nature to desire external control? life is easier when you have something/someone to follow
 
i just want to live in the truman show but like instead of truman show its hannah show and i dont have to think for myself and i dont have to make choices and i dont have to be responsible for anything i do and accountability doesnt exist and i can just follow the script and dance around and be happy
palantir would love you
 
is it not human nature to desire external control?
Lay a group of unaware people on an abandoned island, they will live purely for sustainance and survival. There will be no greater thought put towards a higher being. They live completely for themselves, without external causation.

But watch as that society progresses, as survival becomes easier; how they grow more comfortable. They begin to ask questions not of the body, but of the soul. Religion and the whole conception of higher beings is inherently aristocratic, born from the luxury of contemplation and pondering.

I don't believe that's due to an intrinsic human need for control. I believe it's born from the mystery of birth, and the fear of death. We seek a reason to exist, and a conclusion to our existence. The easiest solution is that of a loving creator and an afterlife.

life is easier when you have something/someone to follow
Wrong. Abstaining from rule will always be easier. Picture a long room. There's a thin, long, black line spanning from one end to the other. There's a sign that reads 'You may only step on the line to cross'. Is it easier to walk based on that rule, or to just walk on?

Expanding on this question: is it easier to live based on set, pre-determined rules, or to live based on your own? Humans should be able to configure their own moral code.
 
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Lay a group of unaware people on an abandoned island, they will live purely for sustainance and survival. There will be no greater thought put towards a higher being. They live completely for themselves, without external causation.

But watch as that society progresses, as survival becomes easier; how they grow more comfortable. They begin to ask questions not of the body, but of the soul. Religion and the whole conception of higher beings is inherently aristocratic, born from the luxury of contemplation and pondering.

I don't believe that's due to an intrinsic human need for control. I believe it's born from the mystery of birth, and the fear of death. We seek a reason to exist, and a conclusion to our existence. The easiest solution is that of a loving creator.


Wrong. Abstaining from rule will always be easier. Picture a long room. There's a thin, long, black line spanning from one end to the other. There's a sign that reads 'You may only step on the line to cross'. Is it easier to walk based on that rule, or to just walk on?

Expanding on this question: is it easier to live based on set, pre-determined rules, or to live based on your own? Humans should be able to configure their own moral code.
Thoughts? @Spuffy
 
Wrong. Abstaining from rule will always be easier. Picture a long room. There's a thin, long, black line spanning from one end to the other. There's a sign that reads 'You may only step on the line to cross'. Is it easier to walk based on that rule, or to just walk on?

Expanding on this question: is it easier to live based on set, pre-determined rules, or to live based on your own? Humans should be able to configure their own moral code.
im going to reply to this section first. a while back, i was asking you what you thought of the theory that without religion, humans would have no morals. you told me it was true to a degree, the weak minded of society (the majority) would not be able to separate morals from religion. it would be easier to live based on your own values sure, but most people do not have their own values. which one sounds easier, spending your entire life trying to figure out your rights from your wrongs, or being told what is right and what is wrong from the start? as for the analogy you used, it is only easier to just walk on if you are solely thinking of the physical aspect of the question.
 
im going to reply to this section first. a while back, i was asking you what you thought of the theory that without religion, humans would have no morals. you told me it was true to a degree, the weak minded of society (the majority) would not be able to separate morals from religion. it would be easier to live based on your own values sure, but most people do not have their own values.
The weak-minded seek guidance because it's what they are taught to do. We (the majority) are steered towards religion from a young age. We are taught the dogmatic law that we should obey or we should perish. The weak-minded will not look past this and choose to stick by this. Truthfully, many don't stick to the laws. It is the weak-minded with strong wills that do so. They are undetered to opposing views, as they are indoctrinated into believing that religion is the one truth.

What is stopping people from forming their own morals? The main answer will always be opposition, not lack of knowledge, etc. They will be shut-down for appearing adversarial to the ruling framework.

which one sounds easier, spending your entire life trying to figure out your rights from your wrongs, or being told what is right and what is wrong from the start?
Being told what is right and what is wrong is literally the basis of any negative ideology. Americans were taught that black people were dirty, the youth during Nazi Germany were taught that Jews were dirty, etc. Does that mean that they preformed a moral good by giving these people their biased answer and excusing any attempt of the individual forming their own opinion?

Positive ideologies (diplomacy, democracy, etc) always take into account other views and opinions. They try to find a solution that fits all, without sticking to one apparent truth. They work due to people having different morals (views on right vs wrong).

as for the analogy you used, it is only easier to just walk on if you are solely thinking of the physical aspect of the question.
It was a weak analogy, I admit. But you aren't meant to view it from the literal aspect. it's a metaphor for abiding by strict "rightful" rules, instead of just taking the natural (straight-forward) route.
 
And who said you have free will…??
Little girl..
 
Religion and the whole conception of higher beings is inherently aristocratic, born from the luxury of contemplation and pondering.
Although I understand the point.
There may be some correlation = causation going on here.
Neanderthals (who I wouldn’t call particularly aristocratic) for instance, had religion.
 
Wrong. Abstaining from rule will always be easier. Picture a long room. There's a thin, long, black line spanning from one end to the other. There's a sign that reads 'You may only step on the line to cross'. Is it easier to walk based on that rule, or to just walk on?
False equivalence if I have ever seen one
 
i just want to live in the truman show but like instead of truman show its hannah show and i dont have to think for myself and i dont have to make choices and i dont have to be responsible for anything i do and accountability doesnt exist and i can just follow the script and dance around and be happy
For someone with such a high iq u seem to hate using ur brain to make any decisions 😭
 
False equivalence if I have ever seen one
It was a weak analogy, I admit. But you aren't meant to view it from the literal aspect. it's a metaphor for abiding by strict "rightful" rules, instead of just taking the natural (straight-forward) route.
 
Although I understand the point.
There may be some correlation = causation going on here.
Neanderthals (who I wouldn’t call particularly aristocratic) for instance, had religion.
Religion is only discussed whenever men can ponder without the constant thought about survival. It’s a luxury (which in early civilisations) only the top could afford.
 
The weak-minded seek guidance because it's what they are taught to do. We (the majority) are steered towards religion from a young age. We are taught the dogmatic law that we should obey or we should perish. The weak-minded will not look past this and choose to stick by this. Truthfully, many don't stick to the laws. It is the weak-minded with strong wills that do so. They are undetered to opposing views, as they are indoctrinated into believing that religion is the one truth.

What is stopping people from forming their own morals? The main answer will always be opposition, not lack of knowledge, etc. They will be shut-down for appearing adversarial to the ruling framework.


Being told what is right and what is wrong is literally the basis of any negative ideology. Americans were taught that black people were dirty, the youth during Nazi Germany were taught that Jews were dirty, etc. Does that mean that they preformed a moral good by giving these people their biased answer and excusing any attempt of the individual forming their own opinion?

Positive ideologies (diplomacy, democracy, etc) always take into account other views and opinions. They try to find a solution that fits all, without sticking to one apparent truth. They work due to people having different morals (views on right vs wrong).


It was a weak analogy, I admit. But you aren't meant to view it from the literal aspect. it's a metaphor for abiding by strict "rightful" rules, instead of just taking the natural (straight-forward) route.
Dude last night i cooked up Such a good response for this and forgot to send it. Its chill, ill take mercy on u and choose to let you have the last word for this one. We can just call it a draw I guess
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