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Discussion I need to talk to someone about human rights.

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In a few thousands of years ago, what are, today, human rights were just privileges..., the quantity and quality of human rights only increases as time passes, thus pushing new comfortable positions as the new " norm and universal ideal ".

The problem with that is that everybody who is latte in Acquaring that ideal of living is interpreted as a miserable victim.

While, of course, I positively see human rights and the evilness of our time, it is also problematic how this system creates superficial victim mentality and how leftist ideals can be rationalized.



Said that, it apears quiet clearly to me that slavery can be wrong if perpetrated against those of high ethics and morality. Therefore, some levels of human rights are justifiable?

Russia, with Putin, is a neoliberal monarchy that embraces corporatism and capitalism ideology and others conservative ideals, but they also maintain social policies. The same can be said about China and, logically given the system of lobbing in USA and all the other countries, can be said about others "democratic" countries. The state development by both ideological systems had produced the same outcome:

National socialism.

Otto Von Bismarck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck), the creator of national socialism. Before German mustache men was even born, Otto Von Bismarck, a chanceler of monarchist (yes, with a king and so on...) Prussia implemented social policies in a very conservative looking state for our current eyes. "Socialism" was first implemented in a monarchist state.

The system of strong social control over the figure of a monarch (or a weak monarch as are the president's) codirecting the country with royalty (who owns social institutions) commanding everyday people while some merchants exist..., that is the natural form of every major human society.

What is called "the liberal" and the "left" ideologies had both corrupted a more balanced ideal where both sides of those ideologies were mixed together to deal with the problems that the society faced. The religion would take the lead in psychologically preparing citizens to survive their hardships (not only death, but pain itself, as even the Shaolin monks have done), the State would maintain social order (even if less inefficient) while some level of social benefits / wellbeing policies were practiced (by Festivals, church donations, state projects)...

And all of that is backed by social nature, as pointed in https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-Evolutionary-Origins-Good-Society/dp/0316230030

What those movements can do is to correct the inefficiency of religious institutions and the state who are unable to properly memeticaly propagate the ideology that enable people to survive their (existential) hardships or the social backbone to help those.

In this regard, the exaggerations of both liberal and dictatorships, inhuman lack of rights and son are but a political imbalance of the human form of government.

Which country best propagate the ideal form? China, Russia or USA?

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No such thing bro , you come to this world without inherent rights or entitlements. It's all man made , and to be exact, made by the weak to counter the dominance of the strong
 
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No such thing as civilized or "moral" , in nature the strong rules , humans moved past that by making laws and morals that could shift or even invert this natural dynamic
 
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humans moved past that by making laws and morals that could shift or even invert this natural dynamic
which is why humans advanced to where we are today lol, we moved past the animalistic behaviors for human progression; with civilization, and morality. what are you trying to prove here?

the animal kingdom also holds ethics/values among their own as well lmao, what are you talking about

wolf packs are an example
 
No such thing bro , you come to this world without inherent rights or entitlements. It's all man made , and to be exact, made by the weak to counter the dominance of the strong
I dare to say that things are more complex then that. The natural will of a leader - who is not a genetically fucked - would be to develop it's surrounds even thanks to his selfish desire and to have normal human emotions which include compassion, pride, will to be welcome..., all of that put things in order for him to improve things for his people. Not to make it perfect, however.
 
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which is why humans advanced to where we are today lol, we moved past the animalistic behaviors for human progression; with civilization, and morality. what are you trying to prove here?

the animal kingdom also holds ethics/values among their own as well lmao, what are you talking about

wolf packs are an example
We didn't passed the animalistic behaviours for human progression. We are simply in a development stage of it.
 
i don’t think i need to be hyper specific when making .com posts little man

obviously we have not moved past our animalistic behaviors in totality, but we have great efforts via, religion, blah blah blah

are you happy now @Wilk
 
little man
You unnecessarily called me little man, that's not something mature nor healthy to do in a civilized debate. That was toxic.

obviously we have not moved past our animalistic behaviors in totality, but we have great efforts via, religion, blah blah blah
The efforts of religion are the consequences, the very practice itself of those animalistic behaviour acting. It is in this sense that we never had ever moved past it. What does exist, however, is the fight of different contrasting animalistic wills where one wins over the other
 
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I dare to say that things are more complex then that. The natural will of a leader - who is not a genetically fucked - would be to develop it's surrounds even thanks to his selfish desire and to have normal human emotions which include compassion, pride, will to be welcome..., all of that put things in order for him to improve things for his people. Not to make it perfect, however.
For me , anything that is man made loses its value ... "Human rights" don't strictly exist , that's why we see tyrants persecuting the people , that's why we see generals commiting "war crimes"
Think of it like an imaginary cage
 
You unnecessarily called me little man, that's not something mature nor healthy to do in a civilized debate. That was toxic.
Who cares about all that bs, you can say whatever insult you want as long as you’re right

i don’t see this as debate either, just a normal convo. Sorry if you do

The efforts of religion are the consequences, the very practice itself of those animalistic behaviour acting. It is in this sense that we never had ever moved past it. What does exist, however, is the fight of different contrasting animalistic wills where one wins over the other
I agree, othering is very destructive
 
For me , anything that is man made loses its value ... "Human rights" don't strictly exist , that's why we see tyrants persecuting the people , that's why we see generals commiting "war crimes"
Think of it like an imaginary cage
That's a good point of view to consider human rights as not omnipresent. They, however, are present in some institutions and produce a defense against tyrants in some circumstances such as lawsuits against poor working conditions.
 
Who cares about all that bs, you can say whatever insult you want as long as you’re right
I care because, scientifically speaking, one of the strongest indications of happiness (and, therefore, of unhappiness) is the quality (not quantity) of social interactions. And being insulted is a negative social interaction. Insulting someone who didn't insult you also helps to produce unnecessary counter actions that will decrease your quality of life.
Sorry if you do
This passive Aggression is a reflection of a toxic culture that you were exposed and learned from that. That culture will produce suffering to you while you don't surpass it.
I agree, othering is very destructive
What does othering mean?
 
Insulting someone who didn't insult you also helps to produce unnecessary counter actions that will decrease your quality of life.
This passive Aggression is a reflection of a toxic culture that you were exposed and learned from that. That culture will produce suffering to you while you don't surpass it.
a bunch of false assumptions and predictions that are incorrect. Good job though ✌️😂

you seem like a pretty smart guy so to respect you i wont dish out any insults (maybe..)
What does othering mean?
ostracization, “us” vs “them” tribalism, “racism” blah blah blah you get the point

very natural thing amongst species, explained in psychological topics like social identity theory and social cognitive theory
 

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