I read marx

[johnarcabob_reincarnated]

It was so fucking stupid I thought it was going to push me towards communism a little bit but no it actually was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. There's not an ounce of pragmaticism in the entire book. Just a bunch of history, then a bunch of unbacked principles, and like shitting on rich people. This reads like a person who just got a job for the first time and is mad that their boss isnt doing as much work. This ignores that the bourgeoise had to fucking work to get to that point you incomprehensive scum.

Dont read it, its not worth your time.

Fuck communists

 

[🌑GenicGlow🌑🌌]

It was so fucking stupid I thought it was going to push me towards communism a little bit but no it actually was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. There's not an ounce of pragmaticism in the entire book. Just a bunch of history, then a bunch of unbacked principles, and like shitting on rich people. This reads like a person who just got a job for the first time and is mad that their boss isnt doing as much work. This ignores that the bourgeoise had to fucking work to get to that point you incomprehensive scum.

Dont read it, its not worth your time.

Fuck communists

Mirin but I'm not reading allat. Bump

 

[rcamg]

i read the communist manifesto and altho i disagreed with much of what he said, i thought he seemed pretty smart

 

[johnarcabob_reincarnated]

@KittyBreath @Yeat @xorsizm @Slayer.inTraining

 

[johnarcabob_reincarnated]

i read the communist manifesto and altho i disagreed with much of what he said, i thought he seemed pretty smart

Well i mean he used a lot of large words and made it sound appealing but he doesnt like back up anything or explain how youre supposed to make it work he just states his principles, like this is why communists' go to argument is "it hasnt been done right," because he doesnt really make it clear in his fucking book

 

[rcamg]

Well i mean he used a lot of large words and made it sound appealing but he doesnt like back up anything or explain how youre supposed to make it work he just states his principles, like this is why communists' go to argument is "it hasnt been done right," because he doesnt really make it clear in his fucking book

yea that is a good point. i also think most people who support communism havent even read it

 

[johnarcabob_reincarnated]

yea that is a good point. i also think most people who support communism havent even read it

real ash

 

[internetbirth]

This reads like a person who just got a job for the first time and is mad that their boss isnt doing as much work. This ignores that the bourgeoise had to fucking work to get to that point you incomprehensive scum.

how do you not understand the most easiest fundamental part of marxs theories like the bourgeoise cant be rich without exploiting the working class for cheap labour which maintains their profits like?? thats the key component and youre calling that stupid n***a u aint even try to critically think atp. tell me how to become a billionaire thru strictly hard work and not owning another persons labour power

 

[internetbirth]

Well i mean he used a lot of large words and made it sound appealing but he doesnt like back up anything or explain how youre supposed to make it work he just states his principles, like this is why communists' go to argument is "it hasnt been done right," because he doesnt really make it clear in his fucking book

its because you cant actually give a guide to revolution because everyones material conditions and time periods are different. hes simply laying out the ideology of why capitalism does not work and how to critically think about it and it is up to us to make sense of that and apply it to our current material conditons and create a revolution. if it was a guide itd be outdated 200 years ago

 

[percghøst*]

It was so fucking stupid I thought it was going to push me towards communism a little bit but no it actually was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. There's not an ounce of pragmaticism in the entire book. Just a bunch of history, then a bunch of unbacked principles, and like shitting on rich people. This reads like a person who just got a job for the first time and is mad that their boss isnt doing as much work. This ignores that the bourgeoise had to fucking work to get to that point you incomprehensive scum.

Dont read it, its not worth your time.

Fuck communists

what'd you expect from marxists

 

[johnarcabob_reincarnated]

tell me how to become a billionaire thru strictly hard work and not owning another persons labour power

Because the value of work is not defined by how much labor is done, the most common example is if you spend 50 hours making mudpies, i didn't contribute an ounce to society, therefore I don't deserve any money. Communism is inherently naive and childish.

Lets say I make an innovation that changes the world, everyone in the worlds lives are changed by it. I then realize everyone wants it, so I start a business where I sell this world changing product. Then someone who has no big ideas realizes they need money to feed their family and live a good life. They consented to be a part of my business makes these products and get paid to change a few peoples lives by delivering the product 1 by 1, alongside their coworkers. They've changed some lives, but I changed significantly more by starting the business. The market will always give the person who benefitted more customers more money. They can choose to leave the business at any point if they feel they are being exploited or not being paid enough somehow (the government can, and does in practice, further prevent this with minimum wages and labor laws) and can work their way up by providing more and therefore making more money, or even make their own world changing idea that makes them a billionaire too. This system is not only fair but naturally fuels innovation because there's a huge incentive for making innovation.

Regardless you don't have to agree with me, but don't say I'm refusing to think critically. I'm just sick of communists thinking they can avoid arguments by saying "that's not communism" or "read Marx."

 

[Slayer.inTraining]

@KittyBreath @Yeat @xorsizm @Slayer.inTraining

Marx? Where's the treasure

 

[moonlight1]

It was so fucking stupid I thought it was going to push me towards communism a little bit but no it actually was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. There's not an ounce of pragmaticism in the entire book. Just a bunch of history, then a bunch of unbacked principles, and like shitting on rich people. This reads like a person who just got a job for the first time and is mad that their boss isnt doing as much work. This ignores that the bourgeoise had to fucking work to get to that point you incomprehensive scum.

Dont read it, its not worth your time.

Fuck communists

marx never worked in his life btw
i hate comunism so mucb

 

[johnarcabob_reincarnated]

Marx? Where's the treasure

x marx the spot

 

[internetbirth]

Because the value of work is not defined by how much labor is done, the most common example is if you spend 50 hours making mudpies, i didn't contribute an ounce to society, therefore I don't deserve any money.

why are you producing 50 mudpies? clearly theres a market if its being produced at such a quantity. and you are contributing to society. you are making mudpies that people need/want in this fictional example. so your labour is literally your contribution to society. if you want to make this argument about contribution then the ultimate lack of contribute is unemployment not unfavourable employment.

Lets say I make an innovation that changes the world, everyone in the worlds lives are changed by it. I then realize everyone wants it, so I start a business where I sell this world changing product. Then someone who has no big ideas realizes they need money to feed their family and live a good life. They consented to be a part of my business makes these products and get paid to change a few peoples lives by delivering the product 1 by 1, alongside their coworkers.

the person is not "consenting" to work if they are put between the options of labour or starve to death. thats not consent that is coercion. we are all coerced to work under capitalism INCLUDING YOU! you simply get the illusion of choice of which billionaire you want to work for but at the end of the day you are coerced to work.

They've changed some lives, but I changed significantly more by starting the business. The market will always give the person who benefitted more customers more money. They can choose to leave the business at any point if they feel they are being exploited or not being paid enough somehow (the government can, and does in practice, further prevent this with minimum wages and labor laws) and can work their way up by providing more and therefore making more money, or even make their own world changing idea that makes them a billionaire too.

you call communism naive but this is the most childish fictious example of an economy that we are sold as how capitalism shoudl function. but it doesnt work that way. minimum wage is proven to be unlivable. companies have no incentive to pay their workers more if every company is paying minimum wage. therefore workers have no choice for their wages nor any other options to escape their exploitation because all options are shit.

providing more for a company is bullshit company loyalty talk. a promotion at work is not capital (which btw if u didnt know is different than income). it is simply more labour for a marginal increase in income compare to the humongous surplus value the company takes home that YOUR LABOUR provides for them. no one can become a billionaire through strictly wagelabour obviously youd need preexisting wealth to even amass that much more on top of it. money makes money.

your example is literally FICTION and operates only in a vacuum and not nearly close to what happens in real life. look at the backstories of all the billionaires we have now and what they currently do and how they amass and maintain their wealth and you tell me if climbing the corporate ladder will make you that wealthy.

the system is designed to keep people in poverty. not everyone can be a billionaire it does not work that way on purpose. obviously you need poor people to provide for the wealthy. and the hope that hard work will create billionaires is a capitalist lie manipulating your hopes and dreams for a better life so that you keep slaving away hoping youll one day reach what you were designed to never reach.

 

[johnarcabob_reincarnated]

why are you producing 50 mudpies? clearly theres a market if its being produced at such a quantity. and you are contributing to society. you are making mudpies that people need/want in this fictional example. so your labour is literally your contribution to society. if you want to make this argument about contribution then the ultimate lack of contribute is unemployment not unfavourable employment.

the person is not "consenting" to work if they are put between the options of labour or starve to death. thats not consent that is coercion. we are all coerced to work under capitalism INCLUDING YOU! you simply get the illusion of choice of which billionaire you want to work for but at the end of the day you are coerced to work.

you call communism naive but this is the most childish fictious example of an economy that we are sold as how capitalism shoudl function. but it doesnt work that way. minimum wage is proven to be unlivable. companies have no incentive to pay their workers more if every company is paying minimum wage. therefore workers have no choice for their wages nor any other options to escape their exploitation because all options are shit.

providing more for a company is bullshit company loyalty talk. a promotion at work is not capital (which btw if u didnt know is different than income). it is simply more labour for a marginal increase in income compare to the humongous surplus value the company takes home that YOUR LABOUR provides for them. no one can become a billionaire through strictly wagelabour obviously youd need preexisting wealth to even amass that much more on top of it. money makes money.

your example is literally FICTION and operates only in a vacuum and not nearly close to what happens in real life. look at the backstories of all the billionaires we have now and what they currently do and how they amass and maintain their wealth and you tell me if climbing the corporate ladder will make you that wealthy.

the system is designed to keep people in poverty. not everyone can be a billionaire it does not work that way on purpose. obviously you need poor people to provide for the wealthy. and the hope that hard work will create billionaires is a capitalist lie manipulating your hopes and dreams for a better life so that you keep slaving away hoping youll one day reach what you were designed to never reach.

Your problem is literally that you're doing what every other leftist does. You can complain and complain about how capitalism allows people to exploit others, but you cannot explain how a different system would save it. Every other alternative to capitalism has ended terribly. Its like saying there should be no freedom of speech because people say evil things. Other systems arent going to be a fucking utopia.

 

[internetbirth]

Your problem is literally that you're doing what every other leftist does. You can complain and complain about how capitalism allows people to exploit others, but you cannot explain how a different system would save it. Every other alternative to capitalism has ended terribly. Its like saying there should be no freedom of speech because people say evil things. Other systems arent going to be a fucking utopia.

the first step is opening your eyes to the possibility that our current system does not work. also there are tangible things that can be done in steps such as regulating the power corporations have. currently, theres hardly any laws againbst the formation of conglomerations which only create oligarchies. its very possible to do rent-controlled housing or rent-freeze. more federal resources given to acvtual undefunded services that actually aid our communities. it does not need to be a complete overhaul overnight.

also, if we are speaking revolution, people were not starving en masse under communism as assumed. and affordable housing was available albeit not always maintained which is a lesson to learn from, but thats significantyly better than the homelessness crisis we see today. there were improvements under socialism and communism in quality of life which should be built upon. obviously its incredibly difficult also to create a socialist state given government and war interference from imperialist capitalist states and this clearly depletes resources away from the country and into self defense. youre right nothing is perfect but there are tangible alternatives possible which can be built upon for improvement.

 

[typhon]

It was so fucking stupid I thought it was going to push me towards communism a little bit but no it actually was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. There's not an ounce of pragmaticism in the entire book. Just a bunch of history, then a bunch of unbacked principles, and like shitting on rich people. This reads like a person who just got a job for the first time and is mad that their boss isnt doing as much work. This ignores that the bourgeoise had to fucking work to get to that point you incomprehensive scum.

Dont read it, its not worth your time.

Fuck communists

You fail to understand his underlying point of contention, and additional ridicule.

The pragmatism come from the thought process comprehending his contention, and the critical thought behind it.

Similar to how someone is elected and their policies become outdated with the expectation of the society, a business should be run with the interest of business.

People shouldn't inherit positions of authority, similar to how someone might inherit wealth - and in-turn a business.

 

[vastumevasatyam]

It was so fucking stupid I thought it was going to push me towards communism a little bit but no it actually was the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. There's not an ounce of pragmaticism in the entire book. Just a bunch of history, then a bunch of unbacked principles, and like shitting on rich people. This reads like a person who just got a job for the first time and is mad that their boss isnt doing as much work. This ignores that the bourgeoise had to fucking work to get to that point you incomprehensive scum.

Dont read it, its not worth your time.

Fuck communists

Yea he's not that good of a writer himself but the idea is fair. But communism is pretty dumb nevertheless