I wish that lbgtq people

[New Water]

The first churches were not made in greece lol

Saint Peter who Christ gave the keys to heaven established his church in Antioch which was in Greece at the time. You are so fucking retarded you dumb n****r, you have no clue what you’re talking about

 

[theRetard]

im making up eromenos relationships lol
And yes, Christianity was born in the Middle East. You’re right I never denied that. But that doesn’t mean it’s not European, the church is the body of Christ. The church was born in Greece.

eromenos relationship=/=raping little slave boy, also most of them weren't slave nor little (and werent r***d either)
christianity is just judaism but for goys, so it's middle eastern. according to judaism christcucks are heretics tho
both are slave religions, that's why they hate homosexuality and other good things like freedom

 

[New Water]

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When did he say this?

 

[theRetard]

When did he say this?

he said it 2500 years ago in his books

 

[New Water]

eromenos relationship=/=raping little slave boy, also most of them weren't slave nor little (and werent r***d either)
christianity is just judaism but for goys, so it's middle eastern. according to judaism christcucks are heretics tho
both are slave religions, that's why they hate homosexuality and other good things like freedom

Christianity is just Judaism but for goys? Judiasm follows the Talmud not the Torah, I seriously hope you know this…
And since both are slave religions and you are so free become a stoic and exercise your freedom by killing yourself. This is a classic stoic exercise that actually existed where stoics would show they have true freedom by taking their life, if you are so sure you have freedom over your life then have the freedom to take it. If you don’t take your life you are only showing me you must be a slave as well

 

[New Water]

he said it 2500 years ago in his books

Which one. Can I get a book and a page or something

 

[Newday]

Saint Peter who Christ gave the keys to heaven established his church in Antioch which was in Greece at the time. You are so fucking retarded you dumb n****r, you have no clue what you’re talking about

It’s still not the first church ever built, the first churches were in the levant but was converted later on. No idea what you are smoking this is basic shit

 

[New Water]

he said it 2500 years ago in his books

Oh my gosh it’s actually real. However it’s not by Plato, it’s in the symposium and the person saying it is Pausanias who Plato paints as a lover of eromenos (young boys specifically in the context)

 

[theRetard]

Christianity is just Judaism but for goys? Judiasm follows the Talmud not the Torah, I seriously hope you know this…
And since both are slave religions and you are so free become a stoic and exercise your freedom by killing yourself. This is a classic stoic exercise that actually existed where stoics would show they have true freedom by taking their life, if you are so sure you have freedom over your life then have the freedom to take it. If you don’t take your life you are only showing me you must be a slave as well

yes christianity is judaism+neoplatonism, following different fantasy book is just a surface difference, but they are structurally the same and yeah christianity LITERALLY CAME FROM JUDAISM. and i don't care about stoicism lol they are slaves too but a bit different cuz stoicism is materialistic. epictetus was a slave and structurally stoicism is a slave philosophy just like christianity/judaism are slave religions

 

[Newday]

Awesome strawman.
I wonder if you actually even understand what I’m saying. If you think you do can you repeat what my point is?

You are using old unethical experiments related to gender reassignment to justify the scrutiny towards it, even though there are unethical experiments related to all types of practices within the medical space, some medicine you use now were probably meddled with unethically. It isn’t rocket science.

Your argument could not be used against any other trans person who willingly undergoes it by their own accord, so it is baseless anyway.

 

[theRetard]

Oh my gosh it’s actually real. However it’s not by Plato, it’s in the symposium and the person saying it is Pausanias who Plato paints as a lover of eromenos (young boys specifically in the context)

yeah so? plato describes his philosophy through different persons yeah

 

[New Water]

yes christianity is judaism+neoplatonism, following different fantasy book is just a surface difference, but they are structurally the same and yeah christianity LITERALLY CAME FROM JUDAISM. and i don't care about stoicism lol they are slaves too but a bit different cuz stoicism is materialistic. epictetus was a slave and structurally stoicism is a slave philosophy just like christianity/judaism are slave religions

Christianity did not come from Judiasm. The Jews in the Old Testament were Christian’s pre-new covenant establishment. They were not followers of Judiasm like how you say in today’s sense. Can you also please tell me the Neoplatonist ideals in Christianity. Like this amount of equivocation on everything you’re saying is mind blowing lmfao. Can you also tell me what’s fantasy about the religion? These are so many pre supps and not a single explanation to them

 

[theRetard]

Christianity did not come from Judiasm. The Jews in the Old Testament were Christian’s pre-new covenant establishment. They were not followers of Judiasm like how you say in today’s sense. Can you also please tell me the Neoplatonist ideals in Christianity. Like this amount of equivocation on everything you’re saying is mind blowing lmfao. Can you also tell me what’s fantasy about the religion? These are so many pre supps and not a single explanation to them

keep coping you heretic

Yes, Christianity emerged directly from within Judaism in the 1st century CE, starting as a Jewish sect focused on Jesus as the Messiah, but gradually developed distinct beliefs and practices, leading to a separation from Judaism over several centuries, marked by differing views on Jewish law and the role of Jesus.
Key Points of Origin & Separation:

• Jewish Roots: Jesus was a Jew, and early followers were Jewish, viewing Jesus as the fulfillment of Hebrew prophecies. Christianity began as a movement within Second Temple Judaism, sharing its scriptures and traditions.
• The "Parting of the Ways": The split wasn't a single event but a gradual process, influenced by key developments like the Council of Jerusalem (deciding Gentile converts didn't need full Jewish conversion) and the teachings of Paul, who emphasized faith over law for Gentiles.
• Diverging Identities: While early Christians still participated in Jewish life, the growing emphasis on Jesus' divinity, resurrection, and the inclusion of non-Jews (Gentiles) led to a distinct identity.
• Emergence as Separate Religions: By the 4th century, Christianity was clearly distinct from Judaism, a separation solidified by events like the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple (70 AD) and later councils, though cultural exchange continued.

In essence, Christianity is considered an offshoot or evolution of Judaism, sharing common ancestry but developing into separate faiths with distinct theological understandings.

 

[theRetard]

Christianity did not come from Judiasm. The Jews in the Old Testament were Christian’s pre-new covenant establishment. They were not followers of Judiasm like how you say in today’s sense. Can you also please tell me the Neoplatonist ideals in Christianity. Like this amount of equivocation on everything you’re saying is mind blowing lmfao. Can you also tell me what’s fantasy about the religion? These are so many pre supps and not a single explanation to them

neoplatonist ideals? augustinus took everything from it like non-existence of evil and hypostases, i'm not sure if you know who augustinus is but he's main christian theologian ever

 

[New Water]

yeah so? plato describes his philosophy through different persons yeah

What? Plato had completely contrasting views to
Pausanias, the quote you gave shows
Pausanias’ philosophy not Plato’s. Plato saw love as metaphysical and as a way for the soul to be pulled. Not as a physical thing you do to make yourself feel good

 

[New Water]

keep coping you heretic

Yes, Christianity emerged directly from within Judaism in the 1st century CE, starting as a Jewish sect focused on Jesus as the Messiah, but gradually developed distinct beliefs and practices, leading to a separation from Judaism over several centuries, marked by differing views on Jewish law and the role of Jesus.
Key Points of Origin & Separation:

• Jewish Roots: Jesus was a Jew, and early followers were Jewish, viewing Jesus as the fulfillment of Hebrew prophecies. Christianity began as a movement within Second Temple Judaism, sharing its scriptures and traditions.
• The "Parting of the Ways": The split wasn't a single event but a gradual process, influenced by key developments like the Council of Jerusalem (deciding Gentile converts didn't need full Jewish conversion) and the teachings of Paul, who emphasized faith over law for Gentiles.
• Diverging Identities: While early Christians still participated in Jewish life, the growing emphasis on Jesus' divinity, resurrection, and the inclusion of non-Jews (Gentiles) led to a distinct identity.
• Emergence as Separate Religions: By the 4th century, Christianity was clearly distinct from Judaism, a separation solidified by events like the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple (70 AD) and later councils, though cultural exchange continued.

In essence, Christianity is considered an offshoot or evolution of Judaism, sharing common ancestry but developing into separate faiths with distinct theological understandings.

Heretic? Can you tell me what’s bishop says this is doctrinal?
Also this is obviously a retelling from either a Jew or a Catholic (who is actually a Jew as well)

 

[theRetard]

What? Plato had completely contrasting views to
Pausanias, the quote you gave shows
Pausanias’ philosophy not Plato’s. Plato saw love as metaphysical and as a way for the soul to be pulled. Not as a physical thing you do to make yourself feel good

again, he uses other people to explain his own philosophy. plato saw love as metaphysical yeah, but because it's always metaphysical lol, it's not only platonist thing. it could be axiological but axiology is a metaphysical category too. physically love doens't even exist so your analogy is retarded

 

[theRetard]

Heretic? Can you tell me what’s bishop says this is doctrinal?
Also this is obviously a retelling from either a Jew or a Catholic (who is actually a Jew as well)

aren't bishops christians lol. find some foundamentalist bishop so he probably would say you that it is doctrinal

 

[New Water]

neoplatonist ideals? augustinus took everything from it like non-existence of evil and hypostases, i'm not sure if you know who augustinus is but he's main christian theologian ever

Saint Augustine did not take everything from it I’m not sure if you know this but a lot of Christian philosophy is subjective or still debated.

 

[TonyDr]

But like… it’s annoyijg that just because they are lgbtq they think they also need to be pro immigration and like a socialist or anarchist or something cringe

They follow what capitalism (companies, medias, social medias) told them to follow, despite the long-term consequences.

E.g. mass immigration of people who consider being homosexual should be punished by death penalty.

It's quite counter-productive to fight to welcome people who will make your life harsher due to your own romantic choices

 

[New Water]

aren't bishops christians lol. find some foundamentalist bishop so he probably would say you that it is doctrinal

Show me

 

[Anna]

They follow what capitalism (companies, medias, social medias) told them to follow, despite the long-term consequences.

E.g. mass immigration of people who consider being homosexual should be punished by death penalty.

It's quite counter-productive to fight to welcome people who will make your life harsher due to your own romantic choices

Exactly

 

[theRetard]

Saint Augustine did not take everything from it I’m not sure if you know this but a lot of Christian philosophy is subjective or still debated.

even if christian philosophy is still debated it doesn't make that augustinus wasn't a literal neoplatonist who took main the hypostases concept and non-existence of evil and shove it into christianity

 

[New Water]

again, he uses other people to explain his own philosophy. plato saw love as metaphysical yeah, but because it's always metaphysical lol, it's not only platonist thing. it could be axiological but axiology is a metaphysical category too. physically love doens't even exist so your analogy is retarded

Yeah that’s my point…
I’m not arguing that love isn’t or is metaphysical. I’m arguing that Pausanias saw love as something physical. Specially he saw love as necessary between Eros. Which you just didn’t mention. Get to the point

 

[theRetard]

Show me

what bishops have to do with his, idk why you mentioned it because we debated if christianity came from judaism or it didn't

 

[New Water]

even if christian philosophy is still debated it doesn't make that augustinus wasn't a literal neoplatonist who took main the hypostases concept and non-existence of evil and shove it into christianity

It’s just the truth lol
If Neoplatonist ideals say something objectively true should we deny it lest we say utterances mirroring Neoplatonist ideals?

 

[New Water]

what bishops have to do with his, idk why you mentioned it because we debated if christianity came from judaism or it didn't

Because you decided to call me a heretic.your a n****r with 5 braincells calling Christianity Judiasm and calling me a heretic? You’re literally every jews wet dream “yes goyim, we are no different than the Christian’s!”

 

[theRetard]

Yeah that’s my point…
I’m not arguing that love isn’t or is metaphysical. I’m arguing that Pausanias saw love as something physical. Specially he saw love as necessary between Eros. Which you just didn’t mention. Get to the point

idk who is pausanias tbh

 

[theRetard]

It’s just the truth lol
If Neoplatonist ideals say something objectively true should we deny it lest we say utterances mirroring Neoplatonist ideals?

hmmm never claimed it, perhaps you just missed the debate context JFL

 

[theRetard]

Because you decided to call me a heretic.your a n****r with 5 braincells calling Christianity Judiasm and calling me a heretic? You’re literally every jews wet dream “yes goyim, we are no different than the Christian’s!”

according to judaism you are heretic, yes. and jews are barely different from christians, both are slave religions like i mentioned it before but christianity came from judaism and according to jews you are heretic

 

[New Water]

idk who is pausanias tbh

Me neither. But the gist of it is that Plato wrote down his thoughts on love, and not because he agreed with him. He most likely wasn’t even a philosopher just based on how fallacious his reason why homosexuality is hated

 

[New Water]

hmmm never claimed it, perhaps you just missed the debate context JFL

You did say that in essence. You said he “shoved it into Christianity” no, it just happens to be the truth. Christianity is going to follow the logical thing, even if it’s already been said by someone else. If it didn’t it wouldn’t be true

 

[theRetard]

Me neither. But the gist of it is that Plato wrote down his thoughts on love, and not because he agreed with him. He most likely wasn’t even a philosopher just based on how fallacious his reason why homosexuality is hated

homosexuality wasn't hated, idk why are you making this up

You did say that in essence. You said he “shoved it into Christianity” no, it just happens to be the truth. Christianity is going to follow the logical thing, even if it’s already been said by someone else. If it didn’t it wouldn’t be true

no i did not, all i said is that christianity is naoplatonism+judaism lol. christianity is a lie ofc but i never claimed that it's false because of neoplatonism lul

 

[New Water]

according to judaism you are heretic, yes. and jews are barely different from christians, both are slave religions like i mentioned it before but christianity came from judaism and according to jews you are heretic

Don’t piss on my head and tell me it’s raining, heretics don’t exist in Judiasm. And no, apikoyrim is not a heretic, it means something different. It refers to someone who is a atheist, deist,Christian or something alike but still claims the Jewish identity.

 

[theRetard]

Me neither. But the gist of it is that Plato wrote down his thoughts on love, and not because he agreed with him. He most likely wasn’t even a philosopher just based on how fallacious his reason why homosexuality is hated

no, on homosexuality these are literally his thoughts

 

[New Water]

homosexuality wasn't hated, idk why are you making this up

no i did not, all i said is that christianity is naoplatonism+judaism lol. christianity is a lie ofc but i never claimed that it's false because of neoplatonism lul

In the quote YOU gave me he says only barbarians view homosexuality as shameful.

missing the point. Atheist that doesn’t understand how the world works of course misses the point.

 

[theRetard]

Don’t piss on my head and tell me it’s raining, heretics don’t exist in Judiasm. And no, apikoyrim is not a heretic, it means something different. It refers to someone who is a atheist, deist,Christian or something alike but still claims the Jewish identity.

ofc heretics do not exist in judaism because they can only exist only in a religion that came from judaism. read who heretics are.

 

[New Water]

ofc heretics do not exist in judaism because they can only exist only in a religion that came from judaism. read who heretics are.

You have no idea how stupid you sound. Read the Bible, new covenant not old covent

 

[loox]

Pro immigration depends on cases, i agree that some muslims are dangerous monkeys but i don't want ice to take care of them cuz they deport wrong people to wrong places and not the real criminals

 

[theRetard]

In the quote YOU gave me he says only barbarians view homosexuality as shameful.

missing the point. Atheist that doesn’t understand how the world works of course misses the point.

it was hated in barbarian society but i was saying it about civilized society

You have no idea how stupid you sound. Read the Bible, new covenant not old covent

read the bible saar it's the truth i'm telling you, just believe me

 

[New Water]

it was hated in barbarian society but i was saying it about civilized society


read the bible saar it's the truth i'm telling you, just believe me

What religion do you follow?

 

[theRetard]

Me neither. But the gist of it is that Plato wrote down his thoughts on love, and not because he agreed with him. He most likely wasn’t even a philosopher just based on how fallacious his reason why homosexuality is hated

well even if it wasn't plato who wrote this about homosexuality (which is not true lol these are Plato words) then what is he wrong about?

 

[theRetard]

What religion do you follow?

hellenism mixed with aristotelian philosophy

 

[Deleted Member 97663]

Are alt right


Like yeah maybe a few of the alt rights views go against their identity

But like… it’s annoying that just because they are lgbtq they think they also need to be pro immigration and like a socialist or anarchist or something cringe

Yeah, im gay and the mass influx of moslems who would happily kill me makes me feel unsafe, but liberals just have to include everyone huh

 

[New Water]

well even if it wasn't plato who wrote this about homosexuality (which is not true lol these are Plato words) then what is he wrong about?

I’m not saying he’s wrong or right but it’s fallacious, it’s a slippery slope fallacy.
And whether these are his words or not they still aren’t his words because he never said that about homosexuality, he never mentions homosexuality that translation is false and comes from John Boswells 1979 keynote in The Church and the Homosexual: An Historical Perspective, 1979

 

[New Water]

hellenism mixed with aristotelian philosophy

Damn.. do you actually have any justification for what you believe? I genuinely don’t understand pagan epistemology because it doesn’t exist

 

[theRetard]

I’m not saying he’s wrong or right but it’s fallacious, it’s a slippery slope fallacy.
And whether these are his words or not they still aren’t his words because he never said that about homosexuality, he never mentions homosexuality that translation is false and comes from John Boswells 1979 keynote in The Church and the Homosexual: An Historical Perspective, 1979

he just said that homosexuality is considered shameful for barbarians cuz they live under evil dictator government, cuz they don't allow great ideas. where's the even a slight possibility of making a slippery slope fallacy? and even if it's the case (no), most logical fallacies AREN'T fallacies, idk why are they named like this because most of them are logically correct

 

[theRetard]

Damn.. do you actually have any justification for what you believe? I genuinely don’t understand pagan epistemology because it doesn’t exist

apollo is a symbol for me cuz i value order and rationality
and on christianity, it's false due to the same reason why descrates is wrong (cuz both think that soul and body are different substances, it's wrong because it's impossible for soul substance to control body, because you have to be material in this case)

 

[theRetard]

Damn.. do you actually have any justification for what you believe? I genuinely don’t understand pagan epistemology because it doesn’t exist

also JFL at saying that pagan epistemology doesn't exist.
it exists but it's not dogmatic shit unlike christian, read what logos is

 

[Starlet]

Are alt right


Like yeah maybe a few of the alt rights views go against their identity

But like… it’s annoying that just because they are lgbtq they think they also need to be pro immigration and like a socialist or anarchist or something cringe

you’re just saying it because you think it’s annoying but I do think it’s important to construct and analyze your own views and not just believe them because that’s what you think you should. you can hold two different opinions that wouldn’t normally go together