Info If you're mewing/getting ortho and aren't megadesing vit C you're doing it wrong.

[EndlessRequiem]

Vitamin C has shown to significantly increase the rate of change in orthodontics by enabling osteogenesis.

In an experiment performed on rats the tooth movement increased by at least 20% (3.61 case vs 2.96 control, they don't mention if there is already a distance beforehand.)

Osteoclast counts where almost 40% higher in the case group (onf 0.036p though since the standard dev was high).

Effect of Dietary Vitamin C on Orthodontic Tooth Movement in Rats - PMC

Bone remodeling occurs during orthodontic treatment; this process enables tooth movement. Many factors can affect bone remodeling at the cellular level, such as nutritional supplements that can affect tooth movement. The present study was designed ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Some of the references are also worth nothing.

It seems high vit c might induced copper definiancy could undo the positive effect so taking enough copper would probably be a good idea, especially if one is already supplementing zinc.

Also remember that Vitamin K induces osteoclast apoptosis. Since you actually want to change bone this doesn't help you much for moving teeth/bone and taking a lot of vit C should counteract the effect.

On a side note (since you're now running osteogenesis game anyway):

Permajutting (with the help of some device, for instance a mandibular advancement device used in sleep apnea treatment) actually induces remodelling of the condylars.

Again a rat study with bite-jumping devices:

Forward mandibular positioning enhances condylar adaptation in adult rats - PubMed

The aim of this investigation was to assess quantitatively the adaptive changes in the condyles of adult rats to forward mandibular positioning. The level of types II and X collagen expressed in the condyles of adult rats was compared with that formed in response to forward mandibular...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ameliore]

mega dose k2 along with it aswell

 

[geneticCage]

Actually a good and informative post here, nice.

 

[Whitepill]

Vitamin C has shown to significantly increase the rate of change in orthodontics by enabling osteogenesis.

In an experiment performed on rats the tooth movement increased by at least 20% (3.61 case vs 2.96 control, they don't mention if there is already a distance beforehand.)

Osteoclast counts where almost 40% higher in the case group (onf 0.036p though since the standard dev was high).

Effect of Dietary Vitamin C on Orthodontic Tooth Movement in Rats - PMC

Bone remodeling occurs during orthodontic treatment; this process enables tooth movement. Many factors can affect bone remodeling at the cellular level, such as nutritional supplements that can affect tooth movement. The present study was designed ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Some of the references are also worth nothing.

It seems high vit c might induced copper definiancy could undo the positive effect so taking enough copper would probably be a good idea, especially if one is already supplementing zinc.

Also remember that Vitamin K induces osteoclast apoptosis. Since you actually want to change bone this doesn't help you much for moving teeth/bone and taking a lot of vit C should counteract the effect.

On a side note (since you're now running osteogenesis game anyway):

Permajutting (with the help of some device, for instance a mandibular advancement device used in sleep apnea treatment) actually induces remodelling of the condylars.

Again a rat study with bite-jumping devices:

Forward mandibular positioning enhances condylar adaptation in adult rats - PubMed

The aim of this investigation was to assess quantitatively the adaptive changes in the condyles of adult rats to forward mandibular positioning. The level of types II and X collagen expressed in the condyles of adult rats was compared with that formed in response to forward mandibular...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Only around 10% of rat studies are true for humans

 

[EndlessRequiem]

Only around 10% of rat studies are true for humans

I will soon make a thread about my experience. It seems to be working, but I've only been doing it for a week so it could just be my mind.

 

[Whitepill]

I will soon make a thread about my experience. It seems to be working, but I've only been doing it for a week so it could just be my mind.

Placebo

 

[EndlessRequiem]

Placebo

That's not how placebo works. It's simply my tremendous body dysphoria.

 

[Whitepill]

That's not how placebo works. It's simply my tremendous body dysphoria.

placebo combined with that bullshit, supps are cope for bone growth

 

[EndlessRequiem]

placebo combined with that bullshit, supps are cope for bone growth

Like already say, that's not how placebo works.

 

[Whitepill]

Like already say, that's not how placebo works.

You believe that it works, so it's a bias and the placebo effect is at play. Animal studies are a low form of evidence

 

[EndlessRequiem]

You believe that it works, so it's a bias and the placebo effect is at play. Animal studies are a low form of evidence

Placebo is a neurobiological process by which hormones are released that change your mood. Under no circumstances do they change your own perception of the body, much less in such a short period of time.

 

[Whitepill]

Placebo is a neurobiological process by which hormones are released that change your mood. Under no circumstances do they change your own perception of the body, much less in such a short period of time.

yap yap buddy you believe it works

 

[EndlessRequiem]

yap yap buddy you believe it works

I'm not going to judge your disbelief and ego. I don't know what you've been through, so I'm fine with you disagreeing with me like that.

 

[Whitepill]

I'm not going to judge your disbelief and ego. I don't know what you've been through, so I'm fine with you disagreeing with me like that.

@HDm7CoQ make a full thread discussing this
Sorry to come off as egotistical, I just feel you arent showing this correctly

 

[childishkillah]

Placebo

You have something to lose doing this? Over for our ass just cope. Cope a day make the rope away.

 

[ameliore]

supps are cope for bone growth

blood work speaks for itself

You have something to lose doing this? Over for our ass just cope. Cope a day make the rope away.

yeh he acts like taking 1 capsule a day is a horrible roi

 

[Whitepill]

You have something to lose doing this? Over for our ass just cope. Cope a day make the rope away.

there's just no point in doing it lol, get vit c from food

 

[childishkillah]

there's just no point in doing it lol, get vit c from food

Worth trying ngl

 

[Whitepill]

blood work speaks for itself

They won't give you bone growth, unless you are deficient, fractured, or have some kind of limitation. any bone growth is from puberty

yeh he acts like taking 1 capsule a day is a horrible roi

its just retarded

 

[Whitepill]

Worth trying ngl

no , there's not. megadosing doesnt work and never will

 

[ameliore]

They won't give you bone growth, unless you are deficient, fractured, or have some kind of limitation. any bone growth is from puberty

yes cus i claimed that taking vitamin k2 will grow your cheekbones...

its just retarded

yeh just eat raw meat lmfao, get a load of this n***a

 

[childishkillah]

no , there's not. megadosing doesnt work and never will

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[Whitepill]

yes cus i claimed that taking vitamin k2 will grow your cheekbones...

You guys are hoping for excess bone growth, whicb wont happen.

yeh just eat raw meat lmfao, get a load of this n***a

Wont work either tbh

 

[Whitepill]

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r**e baby retards megadosing supps for no reason in 2025 holy cage

 

[ameliore]

You guys are hoping for excess bone growth

if i wanted excess growth i would have gone straight to roiding smh, just take k2 in general

Wont work either tbh

roiding and peptiding is the way

 

[childishkillah]

r**e baby retards megadosing supps for no reason in 2025 holy cage

Dnr n i g g e r keep coping

 

[Whitepill]

if i wanted excess growth i would have gone straight to roiding smh, just take k2 in general

No, just get from food or other shit lol

roiding and peptiding is the way

No shit

 

[Whitepill]

Dnr n i g g e r keep coping

how am i coping ? sybau

 

[Whitepill]

No, just get from food or other shit lol

No shit

actually most roiding and peptides are cope too, Test + hgh or death

 

[ameliore]

No, just get from food or other shit lol

some people dont have access to good raw milk or any milk at that matter, gotta do what you gotta do

@EndlessRequiem drink 1.5 liters of raw milk a day, hop on igf-1 and hgh, best non cope non placebo way of ensuring bone growth

 

[childishkillah]

how am i coping ? sybau

Megadose save my ass

 

[ameliore]

actually most roiding and peptides are cope too, Test + hgh or death

igf-1 isnt a cope, at all.

 

[ameliore]

some people dont have access to good raw milk or any milk at that matter, gotta do what you gotta do

@EndlessRequiem drink 1.5 liters of raw milk a day, hop on igf-1 and hgh, best non cope non placebo way of ensuring bone growth

i forgot, add test, pin test daily to ensure your levels are steady and take aromasin 3 times a week to prevent your plates from prematurely closing

 

[Whitepill]

some people dont have access to good raw milk or any milk at that matter, gotta do what you gotta do

@EndlessRequiem drink 1.5 liters of raw milk a day, hop on igf-1 and hgh, best non cope non placebo way of ensuring bone growth

U need full primal to make any significant difference

 

[Whitepill]

igf-1 isnt a cope, at all.

full raw primal diet mogs most things in bone growth

 

[Whitepill]

Megadose save my ass

Mustve been starving f****t

 

[ameliore]

U need full primal to make any significant difference

or you can just roid and eat primal at the same time, why does it have to be one or the other

 

[Whitepill]

or you can just roid and eat primal at the same time, why does it have to be one or the other

Roids destroy health

 

[childishkillah]

Mustve been starving f****t

Megadose or dead

 

[ameliore]

full raw primal diet mogs most things in bone growth

yeh most of us arent 6 years old anymore lmao, were at the last few years of growth. Maybe eating primal might have worked if we were younger but ngl its too late to cope with muh raw meat

 

[ameliore]

Roids destroy health

not like your gonna be on them forever, unless your retarted of course

 

[Whitepill]

Megadose or dead

stop pushing magic synthetic bullets hahaha

 

[Whitepill]

yeh most of us arent 6 years old anymore lmao, were at the last few years of growth. Maybe eating primal might have worked if we were younger but ngl its too late to cope with muh raw meat

No, it's not. Way more effective than any of these supplements , and won't fuck up health like roids

 

[Whitepill]

not like your gonna be on them forever, unless your retarted of course

Still will nuke health, they are toxic

 

[ameliore]

Still will nuke health, they are toxic

not a molecule for muh health, looks>anything

and they wont tho, just pct and your fine once you hop off completely, unless your a jackass who will run endless cycles

 

[ameliore]

No, it's not.

yes of course, just eat raw meat my friends

Way more effective than any of these supplements

obviously getting k2 from milk mogs anything, some people cant get milk. Not a me problem tho raw milk is delicious

and won't fuck up health like roids

you have said that like 12 times, elaborate at least smh

 

[Whitepill]

not a molecule for muh health, looks>anything

and they wont tho, just pct and your fine once you hop off completely, unless your a jackass who will run endless cycles

toxic

 

[Whitepill]

yes of course, just eat raw meat my friends

raw primal , not just raw meat

obviously getting k2 from milk mogs anything, some people cant get milk. Not a me problem tho raw milk is delicious

Mear, eggs , raw cheese all have

you have said that like 12 times, elaborate at least smh

Dude , look at the obvious sides

 

[ameliore]

raw primal , not just raw meat

just to end up finding out your test levels will still be like 800ng/dl at best

Mear, eggs , raw cheese all have

no one eats eggs and meat for fucking k2 lmfao

Dude , look at the obvious sides

"b-but muh sides!" you have yet to state why they are bad smh

 

[Whitepill]

just to end up finding out your test levels will still be like 800ng/dl at best

and?

no one eats eggs and meat for fucking k2 lmfao

u can

"b-but muh sides!" you have yet to state why they are bad smh

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