Method IGF-1 manipulation theory ?

[Nihilus]

>so starting the day without carbs , high fat and good quality protein and preferebly raw ( probably eggs ) to Preserve insulin sensitivity, maintain baseline GH
>for lunch , a high carb high protein to spike insulin and thus igf-1 for anabolism
>for dinner , a no carb high protein dinner to avoid spiking insulin and thus keeping GH elevated during sleep
>have a good sleep
>repeat

thoughts ?
@Kaari @TonyDr @Wilk @Quncho @Randomized Shame @allexxs @aguachento

 

[NewFuckingDay]

This doesn’t work as soon as you put a molecule of carb in your mouth the insulin release antagonises GH and then nothing happens

JFL if you are not using hormones in 2025 to just bypass all this bullcrap

 

[TonyDr]

>so starting the day without carbs , high fat and good quality protein and preferebly raw ( probably eggs ) to Preserve insulin sensitivity, maintain baseline GH
>for lunch , a high carb high protein to spike insulin and thus igf-1 for anabolism
>for dinner , a no carb high protein dinner to avoid spiking insulin and thus keeping GH elevated during sleep
>have a good sleep
>repeat

thoughts ?
@Kaari @TonyDr @Wilk @Quncho @Randomized Shame @allexxs @aguachento

Is deer antler velvet, colostrum and eating organs still a thing for boosting ifg-1 ?

 

[NewFuckingDay]

It’s actually worse to do this for total IGF-1 than it is to just fill your face up with sugar the entire day

 

[NewFuckingDay]

Is deer antler velvet, colostrum and eating organs still a thing for boosting ifg-1 ?

Buy babakookoo herb from the jungle of thailand for 20% more GH no studies

 

[Nihilus]

This doesn’t work as soon as you put a molecule of carb in your mouth the insulin release antagonises GH and then nothing happens

JFL if you are not using hormones in 2025 to just bypass all this bullcrap

insulin release doesnt directly drop GH , you're talking as if they have an inverse relation

 

[TonyDr]

Buy babakookoo herb from the jungle of thailand for 20% more GH no studies

I'm gonna buy turkey-sterone

 

[NewFuckingDay]

insulin release doesnt directly drop GH , you're talking as if they have an inverse relation

It literally does have an inverse relation, insulin release antagonises GH, the only reason why pubertycels still grow is because they produce so much GH to the point where it’s irrelevant

 

[Nihilus]

It literally does have an inverse relation, insulin release antagonises GH, the only reason why pubertycels still grow is because they produce so much GH to the point where it’s irrelevant

they do only when insulin is high , and youre overlooking a big aspect of this " plan" : Timing
if the insulin spike is high it will supress GH for 5 hours at the absolute max , its part of the plan ....

 

[NewFuckingDay]

they do only when insulin is high , and youre overlooking a big aspect of this " plan" : Timing
if the insulin spike is high it will supress GH for 5 hours at the absolute max , its part of the plan ....

As I said the timing does not matter at all you insulin shits down whatever fasted GH you have after 30min of carb consumption, you just wasted hours of fasted GH for nothing when you can consume carbs the entire day and get better IGF-1 production

And the whole “when insulin is high” thing is not necessarily true it occurs whenever because they are antagonistic to one another

 

[Nihilus]

As I said the timing does not matter at all you insulin shits down whatever fasted GH you have after 30min of carb consumption, you just wasted hours of fasted GH for nothing when you can consume carbs the entire day and get better IGF-1 production

And the whole “when insulin is high” thing is not necessarily true it occurs whenever because they are antagonistic to one another

you're very mistaken my child , dose and timing matter .... a lot
the endocrine system is very tightly bound by positive and negative retro-controle cycles .
consuming exogenous carbs the entire day will lead to higher igf-1 at first due to the More frequent insulin spikes to support IGF-1 production . but soon enough the Chronically elevated insulin will suppress GH secretion, reducing overall IGF-1 stimulation.
that will also Increase the risk of insulin resistance and lower long-term GH sensitivity if overdone , you said it yourself "the only reason why pubertycels still grow is because they produce so much GH to the point where it’s irrelevant" once you're post early-mid puberty you can't just do that
and i am not even accounting for the other cons of a high carb diet : inflamation , lower bone density , advanced glycation products ect

 

[NewFuckingDay]

you're very mistaken my child , dose and timing matter .... a lot
the endocrine system is very tightly bound by positive and negative retro-controle cycles .
consuming exogenous carbs the entire day will lead to higher igf-1 at first due to the More frequent insulin spikes to support IGF-1 production . but soon enough the Chronically elevated insulin will suppress GH secretion, reducing overall IGF-1 stimulation.
that will also Increase the risk of insulin resistance and lower long-term GH sensitivity if overdone , you said it yourself "the only reason why pubertycels still grow is because they produce so much GH to the point where it’s irrelevant" once you're post early-mid puberty you can't just do that
and i am not even accounting for the other cons of a high carb diet : inflamation , lower bone density , advanced glycation products ect

JFL at this Insulin resistance isn’t caused by high insulin at all this is a myth it’s caused by overeating which leads to visceral fat around the liver and fat inside muscle cells causing lipotoxicity and impairing insulin signalling, visceral fat also release cytokines which further impair insulin signalling please do your research bro, only fat people with low glucose uptake get insulin resistant, you don’t see the same with skinny or muscular people who consume 500g of carbs a day

 

[Currycelloser]

>so starting the day without carbs , high fat and good quality protein and preferebly raw ( probably eggs ) to Preserve insulin sensitivity, maintain baseline GH
>for lunch , a high carb high protein to spike insulin and thus igf-1 for anabolism
>for dinner , a no carb high protein dinner to avoid spiking insulin and thus keeping GH elevated during sleep
>have a good sleep
>repeat

thoughts ?
@Kaari @TonyDr @Wilk @Quncho @Randomized Shame @allexxs @aguachento

Why would u wanna spike ur insulin?

 

[NewFuckingDay]

Why would u wanna spike ur insulin?

jfl at this insulin is anabolic and is a key component in IGF-1 stimulation, it’s shit for anti-aging though

 

[Currycelloser]

jfl at this insulin is anabolic and is a key component in IGF-1 stimulation, it’s shit for anti-aging though

I know abt how insulin is anabolic and igf1 secretion pal, but if u dont wanna age then why would u need to spike ur insulin?

 

[NewFuckingDay]

I know abt how insulin is anabolic and igf1 secretion pal, but if u dont wanna age then why would u need to spike ur insulin?

This isn’t about anti-aging though, it’s about growth which requires aging. If I were to do anti-aging I would avoid constant insulin spikes

 

[Nihilus]

I know abt how insulin is anabolic and igf1 secretion pal, but if u dont wanna age then why would u need to spike ur insulin?

bones and muscle anabolism

 

[Randomized Shame]

There's theoretical basis for your theory, Nihilus. Some of it is a bit of an oversimplification (which is fine to do actually when explaining concepts to others), but nothing you've said in this thread has been inaccurate. I think what you're saying makes sense, and if you have the discipline to eat in that manner, then I don't see why you wouldn't follow this diet 'protocol'.

It's interesting because I guess I never thought about it before and thought the the replies were also interesting.

 

[NewFuckingDay]

There's theoretical basis for your theory, Nihilus. Some of it is a bit of an oversimplification (which is fine to do actually when explaining concepts to others), but nothing you've said in this thread has been inaccurate. I think what you're saying makes sense, and if you have the discipline to eat in that manner, then I don't see why you wouldn't follow this diet 'protocol'.

It's interesting because I guess I never thought about it before and thought the the replies were also interesting.

It literally doesn't work hate to burst your bubble, it's what Oscar Patel pushed it's basically switch state fasting but eating low carb meals during the fast period, as soon as insulin is released in the body the GH from fasting carbs go down (the GH was only up because Insulin wasn't there to antagonise it) it's like a seesaw, also this makes no sense because we secrete like the majority of our GH in deep sleep so JFL at this

 

[Nihilus]

There's theoretical basis for your theory, Nihilus. Some of it is a bit of an oversimplification (which is fine to do actually when explaining concepts to others), but nothing you've said in this thread has been inaccurate. I think what you're saying makes sense, and if you have the discipline to eat in that manner, then I don't see why you wouldn't follow this diet 'protocol'.

It's interesting because I guess I never thought about it before and thought the the replies were also interesting.

you see , this protocole is basically a short-mid term action ... once you're well past puberty (+21) there is no reason to follow this

 

[Randomized Shame]

It literally doesn't work hate to burst your bubble, it's what Oscar Patel pushed it's basically switch state fasting but eating low carb meals during the fast period, as soon as insulin is released in the body the GH from fasting carbs go down (the GH was only up because Insulin wasn't there to antagonise it) it's like a seesaw, also this makes no sense because we secrete like the majority of our GH in deep sleep so JFL at this

I never claimed if it worked, I said 'there's theoretical basis to the theory', which is true. I also said 'he never said anything outright inaccurate', which is also true. The theory also mentions a good night's rest either way. I'm not saying I disagree with you or with Nihilus, I'm just saying I understand his theory. I'm very particular with my phrasing.

 

[Wilk]

>so starting the day without carbs , high fat and good quality protein and preferebly raw ( probably eggs ) to Preserve insulin sensitivity, maintain baseline GH
>for lunch , a high carb high protein to spike insulin and thus igf-1 for anabolism
>for dinner , a no carb high protein dinner to avoid spiking insulin and thus keeping GH elevated during sleep
>have a good sleep
>repeat

thoughts ?
@Kaari @TonyDr @Wilk @Quncho @Randomized Shame @allexxs @aguachento

I am currently too ignorant on the chemistry and biological side of GH to properly build a useful response.

 

[Nihilus]

I am currently too ignorant on the chemistry and biological side of GH to properly build a useful response.

biochemistry is law tbh , my fav subject in uni

 

[Nihilus]

bump

 

[aguachento]

>so starting the day without carbs , high fat and good quality protein and preferebly raw ( probably eggs ) to Preserve insulin sensitivity, maintain baseline GH
>for lunch , a high carb high protein to spike insulin and thus igf-1 for anabolism
>for dinner , a no carb high protein dinner to avoid spiking insulin and thus keeping GH elevated during sleep
>have a good sleep
>repeat

thoughts ?
@Kaari @TonyDr @Wilk @Quncho @Randomized Shame @allexxs @aguachento

I feel that to raise igf1 it is more convenient to consume more protein (igf1 is a protein) and more calories in general.

HGH is best obtained from quality sleep and intense training. not intermitent fasting

I changed my view on hgh to Ray Peat's perspective that it is a stress hormone.

 

[Nihilus]

I feel that to raise igf1 it is more convenient to consume more protein (igf1 is a protein) and more calories in general.

HGH is best obtained from quality sleep and intense training. not intermitent fasting

I changed my view on hgh to Ray Peat's perspective that it is a stress hormone.

Hgh can't be a stress hormones , as it doesn't respond to stress necessarily.
The problem with high intensity training that it spikes cortisol and raises oxidative stress , and thus you use up testosterone as an antioxidant leading to lower overall test ( and lower androgenic/anabolic development as a whole )