Im fucked

[bigdickcel1]

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As in just being outside more and/or going on walks, etc.?

Could this have more of an effect on your mental health than raw meat?

I have been getting sun before

 

[bigdickcel1]

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I am only asking questions of your experience and potential possibilities. Could you link your research/studies/sources here?

Wouldnt want to atm if i leave i need to login again

 

[apatheia]

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Wouldnt want to atm if i leave i need to login again

When you get the chance, please post your sources.

 

[bigdickcel1]

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When you get the chance, please post your sources.

Meat for Mental Health vs. Vegetarian Depression - Dr. Robert Kiltz https://share.google/EEphEDtOchGkWwuTp
Egg consumption reduces the risk of depressive symptoms in the elderly: findings from a 6-year cohort study - PMC https://share.google/MN5avGZfrEesprtWp
Beef and Brain Health: A Visual Exploration - Traverse Science https://share.google/ogaocLsgVzTpJa4nv

Well here are some atleast

 

[drchad]

Check the average life span for them

64-70 not fair though we happened to be filled with poverty

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

64-70 not fair though we happened to be filled with poverty

Were are you from

 

[apatheia]

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Meat for Mental Health vs. Vegetarian Depression - Dr. Robert Kiltz https://share.google/EEphEDtOchGkWwuTp
Egg consumption reduces the risk of depressive symptoms in the elderly: findings from a 6-year cohort study - PMC https://share.google/MN5avGZfrEesprtWp
Beef and Brain Health: A Visual Exploration - Traverse Science https://share.google/ogaocLsgVzTpJa4nv

Well here are some atleast

I am going to need better sources. These sources do not specify if the subjects ate raw or cooked meat, unless I missed something. The last article is actually skeptical of the studies that study cognitive benefits of eating beef and calls out a potential for high bias in these studies.

Given the low quality of data and high heterogeneity of available studies, it’s too early to tell if beef impacts cognition.

 

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Most studies were not primarily designed to measure beef and cognitive outcomes, resulting in high or serious risk of bias.

 

[apatheia]

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Meat for Mental Health vs. Vegetarian Depression - Dr. Robert Kiltz https://share.google/EEphEDtOchGkWwuTp
Egg consumption reduces the risk of depressive symptoms in the elderly: findings from a 6-year cohort study - PMC https://share.google/MN5avGZfrEesprtWp
Beef and Brain Health: A Visual Exploration - Traverse Science https://share.google/ogaocLsgVzTpJa4nv

Well here are some atleast

Interesting. Haircafe just posted a video while our conversation was ongoing. It is about how the carnivore diet "will shorten your life, shrink your brain, and make you ugly" with sources in the description. Perhaps it would be an interesting watch for the both of us, and provide new scientific articles to study.

The carnivore diet will shorten your life, shrink your brain, and make you ugly

Spoiler: Sources

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2. HKUMed finds high red meat consumption likely to increase the risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes, in a systematic review of more than 4.4 million people in a meta-analysis . Accessed August 1, 2025. https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/...
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He also linked a previous video:
Debunking the lies of the carnivore diet cult

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[drchad]

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Interesting. Haircafe just posted a video while our conversation was ongoing. It is about how the carnivore diet "will shorten your life, shrink your brain, and make you ugly" with sources in the description. Perhaps it would be an interesting watch for the both of us, and provide new scientific articles to study.

The carnivore diet will shorten your life, shrink your brain, and make you ugly

He also linked a previous video:
Debunking the lies of the carnivore diet cult

yea give me a summary when u finish the one hour long video

 

[apatheia]

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yea give me a summary when u finish the one hour long video

I will. However, it most likely will just be what the title states:

"The carnivore diet will shorten your life, shrink your brain, and make you ugly"

 

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My slave blud parents didnt want to buy any raw meat eggs or raw milk today so i gotta starve

@Grilldaddy83 @Toggle

Just buy it yourself

 

[drchad]

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I will. However, it most likely will just be what the title states:

Yeah but the specific reason as to why. I think hes talking about a complete carnivore diet anyways nobody is saying only eat raw meat

 

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Bro if you want natural just go eat some dirt of the floor

 

[bigdickcel1]

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I am going to need better sources. These sources do not specify if the subjects ate raw or cooked meat, unless I missed something. The last article is actually skeptical of the studies that study cognitive benefits of eating beef and calls out a potential for high bias in these studies.

Its the same thing except raw meat has more nutrients

 

[bigdickcel1]

Yeah but the specific reason as to why. I think hes talking about a complete carnivore diet anyways nobody is saying only eat raw meat

I dont even support carnivore diet

 

[bigdickcel1]

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Interesting. Haircafe just posted a video while our conversation was ongoing. It is about how the carnivore diet "will shorten your life, shrink your brain, and make you ugly" with sources in the description. Perhaps it would be an interesting watch for the both of us, and provide new scientific articles to study.

The carnivore diet will shorten your life, shrink your brain, and make you ugly

He also linked a previous video:
Debunking the lies of the carnivore diet cult

Can you only Tage the studies i dont wanna go to youtube videos to search the links from there