yea exactly, i wouldnt say yk plant antioxidants are necessary but yea, anti seed oil, anti processed food, low grain and high fat, meat diet tbh
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Hypothesis Is DHT the actually cause of hairloss?
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What a stupid hypothesis. People always trying to disprove DHT as the cause of hair loss to cope.
You provided studies about Botox you did not even read about.
Yes blood flow and Inflammation is a reason why this happens but you don't understand the root of the problem. Less blood flow and Inflammation miniaturizes the hair follicle, it doesn't cause aptosis. No one grew a full set of hair from minoxidil alone and scalp massages.
Everyone needs to stop coping and destroy DHT after the age of 17 it's a useless hormone and you'll get no side effects, I've been on finesteride since fresh 17, I'm almost 18 and I'm now on dutasteride with 0 sides. Ru58841 is an option for youngcels.
You provided studies about Botox you did not even read about.
Yes blood flow and Inflammation is a reason why this happens but you don't understand the root of the problem. Less blood flow and Inflammation miniaturizes the hair follicle, it doesn't cause aptosis. No one grew a full set of hair from minoxidil alone and scalp massages.
Everyone needs to stop coping and destroy DHT after the age of 17 it's a useless hormone and you'll get no side effects, I've been on finesteride since fresh 17, I'm almost 18 and I'm now on dutasteride with 0 sides. Ru58841 is an option for youngcels.
n=1 hypothesis, just because u experienced no sides doesnt mean everyone will+ u did not even disprove the mechanism which showed that inflammations causes DHT mobilisation
Didnt even read that far. There is no DHT mobilisation it's made locally everywhere in the skin just most in the head.
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If a man genetically prone to baldness takes a high dose of testosterone there are 2 options:
He has a high 5ar enzyme, the testosterone converts into a substantial amount of DHT and he becomes bald
He has a low 5ar enzyme, he doesn’t bald similar to a person who is not genetically prone or just has some thinning
There is definitely a link between DHT and Balding. DHT directly attacks the hair follicles and cuts off nutrients leading to shrinkage.
It doesn’t matter if you are low test, if you have responsive balding genetics you will bald, if you have a 5ar enzyme with moderate balding genes you will bald. Though inflammation can be a factor as it hinders the healing processes in the scalp making DHT 1000x more potent on the already inflamed follicles.
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I took 600mg of Test, had low aromatisation due to AI and the test was being outcompeted by tren at the androgen receptor so a heavy chunk of my test just turned into DHT. I did not lose a follicle of hair
good genes then
this is due to high inflammation and DHT does this as a response to it
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Terrible thread
why is that?
forgot to tag u @SpuffyWell no, it maybe a co factor but there is no evidence that high dht directly causes hairloss.
For the last 20 years, the testosterone levels has been decreasing
View attachment 176962
as u can see from this graph, we also know that low testosterone equals low dht.
then why do we have increasing hairloss rates?
If DHT was the primary cause of hair loss then we must have decreasing hair loss rates, but the graph shows inversely.
Yes hairloss is determined by genetical sensitivity of ur hair follicles to DHT and yes nuking DHT to death does work in regrowing ur hair but nuking DHT is a terrible idea and has many side effects such as:
Erectile dysfunction, Mental problems, Gyno, etc.
Also very low DHT can be a promoting factor for prostate cancer(very high DHT could be the cause too)
Health Risks Associated with Long-Term Finasteride and Dutasteride Use: It's Time to Sound the Alarm - PMC
5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) is the most potent natural androgen. 5α-DHT elicits a multitude of physiological actions, in a host of tissues, including prostate, seminal vesicles, hair follicles, skin, kidney, and lacrimal and meibomian glands. ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Negative Impact of Testosterone Deficiency and 5α-Reductase Inhibitors Therapy on Metabolic and Sexual Function in Men - PubMed
Androgens are steroid hormones with pleotropic and diverse biochemical and physiological functions, and androgen deficiency exerts a negative impact on human health. Testosterone (T) either directly or via its transformation into the more potent metabolite 5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) or via...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Characteristics of Men Who Report Persistent Sexual Symptoms After Finasteride Use for Hair Loss - PubMed
We found no evidence of androgen deficiency, decreased peripheral androgen action, or persistent peripheral inhibition of SRD5A in men with persistent sexual symptoms after finasteride use. Symptomatic finasteride users revealed depressed mood and fMRI findings consistent with those observed in...
If DHT is the main cause of hairloss, then why does scalp botox sometimes help in hair regrowth
Botulinum Toxin in the Treatment of Hair and Scalp Disorders: Current Evidence and Clinical Applications - PMC
Botulinum toxin (BoNT) is well-recognized throughout dermatology for its cosmetic indications and growing therapeutic value. Recent studies have trialed BoNT in the treatment of hair and scalp disorders, many of which lack long-term effective ...A Pilot Study to Evaluate Effectiveness of Botulinum Toxin in Treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia in Males - PMC
Androgenetic alopecia is a common form of alopecia with multifactorial etiology. Finasteride and minoxidil are approved by the FDA for the treatment of androgenetic alopecia. Balding scalp is believed to have relative microvascular insufficiency. ...Botox For Hair: Do Botox Scalp Injections Promote Hair Growth?
Learn more about botox scalp injections for hair including how they impact hair loss, side effects, and the results botox for hair can offer.wimpoleclinic.com
The real cause of hairloss:
Is inflammation:
Let me explain
The mechanism here is:
Inflammation-->DHT mobilisation-->Scalp tightness-->Oxygen/nutrients deprivation-->hair loss
Even in this equation, the DHT mobilises itself as a defence mechanism against these things. Once DHT mobilises, the androgenic activity in that area increases which leads to scalp tightness.
Now the genetic predisposition lies in the mobilisation of DHT, some people, even tho their DHT mobilises, they wont experience scalp tightness and ultimately hairloss, but some do. DHT might fit in the equation, but it is not the main driver of hairloss its inflammation.
Why does minoxidil/rosemary oil work??
Well, both of them inhibit the DHT mobilisation in the scalp and thereby preventing hairloss, but the main cause which is inflammation is not addressed so that is why u have to keep using minoxidil or rosemary oil or else you will lose your hair.
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Your retarded n***aWell no, it maybe a co factor but there is no evidence that high dht directly causes hairloss.
For the last 20 years, the testosterone levels has been decreasing
View attachment 176962
as u can see from this graph, we also know that low testosterone equals low dht.
then why do we have increasing hairloss rates?
If DHT was the primary cause of hair loss then we must have decreasing hair loss rates, but the graph shows inversely.
Yes hairloss is determined by genetical sensitivity of ur hair follicles to DHT and yes nuking DHT to death does work in regrowing ur hair but nuking DHT is a terrible idea and has many side effects such as:
Erectile dysfunction, Mental problems, Gyno, etc.
Also very low DHT can be a promoting factor for prostate cancer(very high DHT could be the cause too)
Health Risks Associated with Long-Term Finasteride and Dutasteride Use: It's Time to Sound the Alarm - PMC
5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) is the most potent natural androgen. 5α-DHT elicits a multitude of physiological actions, in a host of tissues, including prostate, seminal vesicles, hair follicles, skin, kidney, and lacrimal and meibomian glands. ...Negative Impact of Testosterone Deficiency and 5α-Reductase Inhibitors Therapy on Metabolic and Sexual Function in Men - PubMed
Androgens are steroid hormones with pleotropic and diverse biochemical and physiological functions, and androgen deficiency exerts a negative impact on human health. Testosterone (T) either directly or via its transformation into the more potent metabolite 5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) or via...Characteristics of Men Who Report Persistent Sexual Symptoms After Finasteride Use for Hair Loss - PubMed
We found no evidence of androgen deficiency, decreased peripheral androgen action, or persistent peripheral inhibition of SRD5A in men with persistent sexual symptoms after finasteride use. Symptomatic finasteride users revealed depressed mood and fMRI findings consistent with those observed in...
If DHT is the main cause of hairloss, then why does scalp botox sometimes help in hair regrowth
Botulinum Toxin in the Treatment of Hair and Scalp Disorders: Current Evidence and Clinical Applications - PMC
Botulinum toxin (BoNT) is well-recognized throughout dermatology for its cosmetic indications and growing therapeutic value. Recent studies have trialed BoNT in the treatment of hair and scalp disorders, many of which lack long-term effective ...A Pilot Study to Evaluate Effectiveness of Botulinum Toxin in Treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia in Males - PMC
Androgenetic alopecia is a common form of alopecia with multifactorial etiology. Finasteride and minoxidil are approved by the FDA for the treatment of androgenetic alopecia. Balding scalp is believed to have relative microvascular insufficiency. ...Botox For Hair: Do Botox Scalp Injections Promote Hair Growth?
Learn more about botox scalp injections for hair including how they impact hair loss, side effects, and the results botox for hair can offer.
The real cause of hairloss:
Is inflammation:
Let me explain
The mechanism here is:
Inflammation-->DHT mobilisation-->Scalp tightness-->Oxygen/nutrients deprivation-->hair loss
Even in this equation, the DHT mobilises itself as a defence mechanism against these things. Once DHT mobilises, the androgenic activity in that area increases which leads to scalp tightness.
Now the genetic predisposition lies in the mobilisation of DHT, some people, even tho their DHT mobilises, they wont experience scalp tightness and ultimately hairloss, but some do. DHT might fit in the equation, but it is not the main driver of hairloss its inflammation.
Why does minoxidil/rosemary oil work??
Well, both of them inhibit the DHT mobilisation in the scalp and thereby preventing hairloss, but the main cause which is inflammation is not addressed so that is why u have to keep using minoxidil or rosemary oil or else you will lose your hair.
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interesting read for sure. so you say inflammation is the main cause and not dht?
yea, DHT mobilisation is the response to inflammation
yea yea, u did not even read the guide i am sure
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High iq dnrWell no, it maybe a co factor but there is no evidence that high dht directly causes hairloss.
For the last 20 years, the testosterone levels has been decreasing
View attachment 176962
as u can see from this graph, we also know that low testosterone equals low dht.
then why do we have increasing hairloss rates?
If DHT was the primary cause of hair loss then we must have decreasing hair loss rates, but the graph shows inversely.
Yes hairloss is determined by genetical sensitivity of ur hair follicles to DHT and yes nuking DHT to death does work in regrowing ur hair but nuking DHT is a terrible idea and has many side effects such as:
Erectile dysfunction, Mental problems, Gyno, etc.
Also very low DHT can be a promoting factor for prostate cancer(very high DHT could be the cause too)
Health Risks Associated with Long-Term Finasteride and Dutasteride Use: It's Time to Sound the Alarm - PMC
5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) is the most potent natural androgen. 5α-DHT elicits a multitude of physiological actions, in a host of tissues, including prostate, seminal vesicles, hair follicles, skin, kidney, and lacrimal and meibomian glands. ...Negative Impact of Testosterone Deficiency and 5α-Reductase Inhibitors Therapy on Metabolic and Sexual Function in Men - PubMed
Androgens are steroid hormones with pleotropic and diverse biochemical and physiological functions, and androgen deficiency exerts a negative impact on human health. Testosterone (T) either directly or via its transformation into the more potent metabolite 5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) or via...Characteristics of Men Who Report Persistent Sexual Symptoms After Finasteride Use for Hair Loss - PubMed
We found no evidence of androgen deficiency, decreased peripheral androgen action, or persistent peripheral inhibition of SRD5A in men with persistent sexual symptoms after finasteride use. Symptomatic finasteride users revealed depressed mood and fMRI findings consistent with those observed in...
If DHT is the main cause of hairloss, then why does scalp botox sometimes help in hair regrowth
Botulinum Toxin in the Treatment of Hair and Scalp Disorders: Current Evidence and Clinical Applications - PMC
Botulinum toxin (BoNT) is well-recognized throughout dermatology for its cosmetic indications and growing therapeutic value. Recent studies have trialed BoNT in the treatment of hair and scalp disorders, many of which lack long-term effective ...A Pilot Study to Evaluate Effectiveness of Botulinum Toxin in Treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia in Males - PMC
Androgenetic alopecia is a common form of alopecia with multifactorial etiology. Finasteride and minoxidil are approved by the FDA for the treatment of androgenetic alopecia. Balding scalp is believed to have relative microvascular insufficiency. ...Botox For Hair: Do Botox Scalp Injections Promote Hair Growth?
Learn more about botox scalp injections for hair including how they impact hair loss, side effects, and the results botox for hair can offer.
The real cause of hairloss:
Is inflammation:
Let me explain
The mechanism here is:
Inflammation-->DHT mobilisation-->Scalp tightness-->Oxygen/nutrients deprivation-->hair loss
Even in this equation, the DHT mobilises itself as a defence mechanism against these things. Once DHT mobilises, the androgenic activity in that area increases which leads to scalp tightness.
Now the genetic predisposition lies in the mobilisation of DHT, some people, even tho their DHT mobilises, they wont experience scalp tightness and ultimately hairloss, but some do. DHT might fit in the equation, but it is not the main driver of hairloss its inflammation.
Why does minoxidil/rosemary oil work??
Well, both of them inhibit the DHT mobilisation in the scalp and thereby preventing hairloss, but the main cause which is inflammation is not addressed so that is why u have to keep using minoxidil or rosemary oil or else you will lose your hair.
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hairloss is caused by androgens binding to the ar in the hair follicle not directly from dht, the reason why dutasteride/finasteride is so effective is because dht has the strongest binding affinity to the ar in the hair follicle. so even if you take dutasteride you can still experience hairloss from testosterone (which is rare) thats why using topical ru58841 combined with a 5ari is a godsend for hairloss prevention
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also the side effects from dut/fin are so rare and in the studies they didn't control estrogen properly through blood work and AIs
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androgens binding to follicles is because of inflammations
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stolen thread but i agree
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jfll the whole thing is completely stolen from this guy, he's also the only one talking about botox in hair on the whole internet lol
next time instead of citing studies to sound smart, just link the youtube video
and don't dislike my posts ever again fucking r****d
are u stupid? i literally posted this thread before talking about this vid
Hypothesis interesting
and yes, knowledge doesnt spawn in my head, yes i did refer to his vid about botox in hair, the dht equation, the dht graph, etc.
The first reply is where mandy already recognised this
"Instead of citing studies to sound smart", lmao, jfl at making claims without citing studies, the guy in that vid did not cite studies to his claims, which i did, after some research
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are u stupid? i literally posted this thread before talking about this vid
Hypothesis interesting
and yes, knowledge doesnt spawn in my head, yes i did refer to his vid about botox in hair, the dht equation, the dht graph, etc.
The first reply is where mandy already recognised this
"Instead of citing studies to sound smart", lmao, jfl at making claims without citing studies, the guy in that vid did not cite studies to his claims, which i did, after some research
holy dnr + stolen, keep crying