Discussion is love real ?

[gravegoth]

maybe one day, when im pretty enough, someone will hold my face in their hands and kiss my forehead without looking at me with disgust.

 

[gravegoth]

idk just a thought

 

[pxe]

maybe one day, when im pretty enough, someone will hold my face in their hands and kiss my forehead without looking at me with disgust.

if ur hmtb like a reply said, then ur looks are not the issue

 

[gravegoth]

if ur hmtb like a reply said, then ur looks are not the issue

im horrible socially and very insecure either way. im just not a good person on any scale and i hate that i still want to be loved like a good person

 

[gravegoth]

god i hate being awake when im not high or drunk. this fucking sucks

sorry for the pity party ahh thread

 

[pxe]

im horrible socially and very insecure either way. im just not a good person on any scale and i hate that i still want to be loved like a good person

u can change if u put in the effort to change, nothing is permanent
its natural to want to b loved

 

[pxe]

god i hate being awake when im not high or drunk. this fucking sucks

sorry for the pity party ahh thread

we all need to vent sometimes so dont apologize, i hope u feel better and realize that u have it in u to change

 

[gravegoth]

u can change if u put in the effort to change, nothing is permanent
its natural to want to b loved

i doubt that.
i think the only time ill be loved is when im so high people pitty me lmao

 

[Striking_4]

Yeah , it's real I have been loving a girl for 4 years now ( one sided)

 

[gravegoth]

Yeah , it's real I have been loving a girl for 4 years now ( one sided)

thats so FUCKING goodnfor you and AMAZING.

 

[gravegoth]

*dhoots myself*

 

[pxe]

i doubt that.
i think the only time ill be loved is when im so high people pitty me lmao

u see, this is the mindset that holds u back and i know u know that

 

[gravegoth]

u see, this is the mindset that holds u back and i know u know that

welp shit, if someone wants me they gotta figure that out because i give up on being in my brain lol

 

[Lebensmude]

love is real just because its a feeling just like any other. it can also be an action though, and thats where it gets complicated on the debate on whether if a person's love is true or not.

This debate was settled a very long time ago by St Thomas Aquinas in the Summa (Prima secundae p1:2)
Love is a passion and a theological virtue, a few aspects:
Love as passion (Amor)
This is a movement of the will towards a perceived good, its the most fundamental passion of the concupiscible appetite, love is the principle of every other passion, such as desire, joy or sorrow, because it inclines the soul towards union with a beloved object.
Within this category, there are two types.

• Amor consupiscentiae
• Amor amicitiae
  
  the former refers to concupiscible love, the love for a good that one desires for oneself, such as food, beauty, or pleasure.
  the latter refers to love of friendship, this is a selfless love where one wills the good of another for their own sake, not for personal gain. A good example of this is a parents love towards their child.

Love isn't merely an emotion, its a movement of the will, based on the intellects apprehension of something as good. Love is transformative because it inclines the person towards their beloved. Theres an order of love, ordo amoris, humans naturally love themselves, then their community, then God. If you love community (or others) more than yourself, you're undersocialised, if you love yourself more than your community, you're oversocialised. Natural love is often disordered, prioirising material goods or wealth over virtue or God.
Love as charity (Caritas)
Charity is the highest of the three theological values, by which we love God for His own sake, and love our neighbours as ourselves for Gods sake. It's distinct from human natural love, because it depends on God's grace, (and is thusly infinite)
charity directly unites the soul to God.

Due to the nature of natural love, relationships are often rocky, people can simply decide that the object of their love (boyfriend, girlfriend) isn't good anymore, and then resentment builds, and the only thing left holding the relationship together is guilt, and the invisible scaffold of a relationship. This is why God (divine love, charity) is required for a healthy relationship. There are obviously outliers, but this is true 99.9999999% of the time.

 

[Spuffy]

This debate was settled a very long time ago by St Thomas Aquinas in the Summa (Prima secundae p1:2)
Love is a passion and a theological virtue, a few aspects:
Love as passion (Amor)
This is a movement of the will towards a perceived good, its the most fundamental passion of the concupiscible appetite, love is the principle of every other passion, such as desire, joy or sorrow, because it inclines the soul towards union with a beloved object.
Within this category, there are two types.

• Amor consupiscentiae
• Amor amicitiae
  
  the former refers to concupiscible love, the love for a good that one desires for oneself, such as food, beauty, or pleasure.
  the latter refers to love of friendship, this is a selfless love where one wills the good of another for their own sake, not for personal gain. A good example of this is a parents love towards their child.

Love isn't merely an emotion, its a movement of the will, based on the intellects apprehension of something as good. Love is transformative because it inclines the person towards their beloved. Theres an order of love, ordo amoris, humans naturally love themselves, then their community, then God. If you love community (or others) more than yourself, you're undersocialised, if you love yourself more than your community, you're oversocialised. Natural love is often disordered, prioirising material goods or wealth over virtue or God.
Love as charity (Caritas)
Charity is the highest of the three theological values, by which we love God for His own sake, and love our neighbours as ourselves for Gods sake. It's distinct from human natural love, because it depends on God's grace, (and is thusly infinite)
charity directly unites the soul to God.

Due to the nature of natural love, relationships are often rocky, people can simply decide that the object of their love (boyfriend, girlfriend) isn't good anymore, and then resentment builds, and the only thing left holding the relationship together is guilt, and the invisible scaffold of a relationship. This is why God (divine love, charity) is required for a healthy relationship. There are obviously outliers, but this is true 99.9999999% of the time.

i like this and very well said

 

[Lebensmude]

i like this and very well said

I get serious when I'm not joking about feet

 

[TonyDr]

is love real like can two people genuinely love each other or one side, always be performative?

I don't know, this is more of just a shower thought but can two people genuinely always love each other and stay through everything? I've never seen it happen but then again whatever @Mandy? has everyone jus kinda loves them mandy pulls everyone jfl

Women are most likely to be loved for who they are, as a person

Men are "loved" if they bring something. Stability, financial stability, NT, height, romantic efforts, facecard, how they perform [in bed] etc.
The whole misandry trends on social medias blaming men for being mediocre are just an exposed fraction of this conditional love.

I would say when 2 persons are in love, they do high romantic efforts, love gestures (so called love language) in the relationships, men AND women.
Also some sacrifices (e.g. women pausing careers to being pregnant, taking care of the offsprings etc), solid bond, commitment, communication etc. It's basically you 2 against the world

 

[Lebensmude]

Women are most likely to be loved for who they are, as a person

Men are "loved" if they bring something. Stability, financial stability, NT, height, romantic efforts, facecard, how they perform [in bed] etc.
The whole misandry trends on social medias blaming men for being mediocre are just an exposed fraction of this conditional love.

I would say when 2 persons are in love, they do high romantic efforts, love gestures (so called love language) in the relationships, men AND women.
Also some sacrifices (e.g. women pausing careers to being pregnant, taking care of the offsprings etc), solid bond, commitment, communication etc. It's basically you 2 against the world

This is clearly described in genesis,
Gen 2:24 DRA: "Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh."
"Of my flesh. God did not, therefore, take a rib without flesh, nor perhaps did he replace flesh without a rib in Adam’s side, though St. Augustine thinks he did. These words of Adam are attributed to God, Matthew xix, because they were inspired by him. --- Woman. As this word is derived from man, so in Hebrew Isha (or Asse) comes from Iish or Aiss; Latin vira woman, and virago comes from vir." - Haydock
Gen 2:21-23 DRA: "21 Then the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam: and when he was fast asleep, he took one of his ribs, and filled up flesh for it. 22 And the Lord God built the rib which he took from Adam into a woman: and brought her to Adam. 23 And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man."
The woman is generated from the man, rib from the flesh of adam, as they are given the mantle of "commander" of the family, they have responsibility to provide for the family, and the provision is what makes a man attractive or not, this attraction is highly fluid, you may think, "but every foid I know likes hot buff dudes with hollow cheeks", and you'd be right, because these are typical indicators of a high-value male, but we can also see that the opposite is true, especially from women on hormonal contraceptives, we know from proven and peer reviewed studies that they select men with more estrogenic traits, I honestly have no idea why I felt the need to write this out but do with it what you will.

 

[Spuffy]

this thread is less washed than the rest of this forsaken forum

 

[tuberculosisinmybal]

is love real like can two people genuinely love each other or one side, always be performative?

I don't know, this is more of just a shower thought but can two people genuinely always love each other and stay through everything? I've never seen it happen but then again whatever @Mandy? has everyone jus kinda loves them mandy pulls everyone jfl

Nope not in the west anymore we are too over-stimulated and everyone wants to be mega independent and people think they don't need someone and whatever tbh